[D] Spamming Moderation

[Luna Amore]

This is the main discussion thread for issues involving moderation. Recently, I have been worried about how moderation works in this website. As stated by the rules, spamming moderation, a.k.a, the use of opinions in the moderation forum, is hereby banned. I think this is cruel and injust, and I just wanted to share my thoughts on this rule.
For more context, see below links:

viewtopic.php?t=535305&f=16&view=unread#unread

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=535317&p=40615777&sid=18fcb081007c5dfc111639c210102199#p40615777

[Neutraligon]

Moved to moderation, like I said discussion about moderation policy belong in moderation.

[Dimetrodon Empire]

Chit chat makes it more difficult for moderators to do their jobs as it obfuscates the reports.

Opinions belong in discussion threads, not report threads. If you want to chit chat otherwise, take it to telegrams or off-site.

[Trivalve]

This is the main discussion thread for issues involving moderation. Recently, I have been worried about how moderation works in this website. As stated by the rules, spamming moderation, a.k.a, the use of opinions in the moderation forum, is hereby banned. I think this is cruel and injust, and I just wanted to share my thoughts on this rule.
For more context, see below links:

viewtopic.php?t=535305&f=16&view=unread#unread

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=535317&p=40615777&sid=18fcb081007c5dfc111639c210102199#p40615777

How is it cruel and unjust? The mods don't want your opinions in report threads, simple as that. There is nothing unjust about it.

[New Texas Republic]

Moved to moderation, like I said discussion about moderation policy belong in moderation.

Strange. I thought you told me that it would be better to move this conversation not in Moderation, but elsewhere.

[New Texas Republic]

This is the main discussion thread for issues involving moderation. Recently, I have been worried about how moderation works in this website. As stated by the rules, spamming moderation, a.k.a, the use of opinions in the moderation forum, is hereby banned. I think this is cruel and injust, and I just wanted to share my thoughts on this rule.
For more context, see below links:

viewtopic.php?t=535305&f=16&view=unread#unread

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=535317&p=40615777&sid=18fcb081007c5dfc111639c210102199#p40615777

How is it cruel and unjust? The mods don't want your opinions in report threads, simple as that.

Because opinions aren’t a bad thing, therefore, they shouldn’t be censored. I believe that everyone’s opinion counts.

[Neutraligon]

Moved to moderation, like I said discussion about moderation policy belong in moderation.

Strange. I thought you told me that it would be better to move this conversation not in Moderation, but elsewhere.

No, this is what I said

Depends, are you asking about your personal thoughts on moderation policy, then in a discussion thread in moderation. If you mean about individual rulings, then as a third party nowhere. If you are not talking about moderation issues, then it depends, though not in moderation.

A report thread is not the correct place to discuss moderation policy as the point of the thread is to be a report thread.

[Neutraligon]

How is it cruel and unjust? The mods don't want your opinions in report threads, simple as that.

Because opinions aren’t a bad thing, therefore, they shouldn’t be censored. I believe that everyone’s opinion counts.

They do not, hence why this website is moderated and opinions that break the rules are either removed or the user is warned/banned. In particular your opinion is not wanted when it comes to report threads as it clutters up the thread and wastes moderator time.

[New Texas Republic]

Strange. I thought you told me that it would be better to move this conversation not in Moderation, but elsewhere.

No, this is what I said

Depends, are you asking about your personal thoughts on moderation policy, then in a discussion thread in moderation. If you mean about individual rulings, then as a third party nowhere. If you are not talking about moderation issues, then it depends, though not in moderation.

A report thread is not the correct place to discuss moderation policy as the point of the thread is to be a report thread.

Alright, thanks for the heads-up. I don’t really have much time, so y’all continue your conversation. I’ll be back in a few.

[Union Hispanica de Naciones]

How is it cruel and unjust? The mods don't want your opinions in report threads, simple as that.

Because opinions aren’t a bad thing, therefore, they shouldn’t be censored. I believe that everyone’s opinion counts.

opinions can improve a result or game experience.

[Dimetrodon Empire]

Moved to moderation, like I said discussion about moderation policy belong in moderation.

Strange. I thought you told me that it would be better to move this conversation not in Moderation, but elsewhere.

No, it's only problematic to post opinions in moderation report threads.

Opinions do belong in moderation discussion threads, which is what this is.

[Castille de Italia]

Is this thread not "reposting a locked thread" as Mallorea and Riva threatened moderator action with if someone went and posted something along these lines?

Given the subject here seems to correlate to moderator conduct, which was the previous thread's topic (though I was admonished by said moderator for being off topic when discussing moderator conduct), can we just have this thread merged into the already existing one, and unlock the thread since it was a temporary lock?

[Trivalve]

How is it cruel and unjust? The mods don't want your opinions in report threads, simple as that.

Because opinions aren’t a bad thing, therefore, they shouldn’t be censored. I believe that everyone’s opinion counts.

They aren't bad, but they aren't needed. That's just like interrupting two strangers conversation so that you can state your opinion on it. They didn't ask you, they don't want you in the conversation, and it isn't your business.

[Neutraligon]

Strange. I thought you told me that it would be better to move this conversation not in Moderation, but elsewhere.

No, it's only problematic to post opinions in moderation report threads.

Opinions do belong in moderation discussion threads, which is what this is.

To make this more clear
There are essentially two types of threads in moderation.

The first type of thread is to report rule breaking behavior. These are called report threads and should have something like Report or (r) in the title. These types of threads are where your opinion as a third party is not wanted. Things that are allowed in this thread are the report, additional report, pertinent information (so not anything involving your opinion) and the defense by the person being reported. Anything else is considered spamming moderation

The second type of thread is a discussion thread, where moderation policy is discussed. These types of threads should be marked with discussion or[d] or something similar. In this type of thread your opinions are in fact wanted. While it is possible to spam in threads like these, the above rules of report, pertinent info, and defense by the person being reported do not hold.

[Dimetrodon Empire]

Is this thread not "reposting a locked thread" as Mallorea and Riva threatened moderator action with?

Given the subject here seems to correlate to moderator conduct, which was the previous thread's topic (though I was admonished by said moderator for being off topic when discussing moderator conduct), can we just have this thread merged into the already existing one, and unlock the thread since it was a temporary lock?

I'm not a moderator, so take this with a grain of salt, but this is more of a complaint about the "spamming moderation" rule.

It's a different complaint than the other thread.

[Neutraligon]

Is this thread not "reposting a locked thread" as Mallorea and Riva threatened moderator action with if someone went and posted something along these lines?

Given the subject here seems to correlate to moderator conduct, which was the previous thread's topic (though I was admonished by said moderator for being off topic when discussing moderator conduct), can we just have this thread merged into the already existing one, and unlock the thread since it was a temporary lock?

This topic is more specifically about the policy of spamming moderation in report threads and so is not about mod conduct.

[Luna Amore]

I've updated the thread title to match the actual content to avoid confusion.

[Shazbotdom]

No one has to put their $0.02 in on every single thread as it pertains to Moderation Actions. If that was the case, you'd have Moderation Threads that are 15 pages deep with 'chatter' about the incident and the Mods then have to dig through those 15 pages to figure out what is actually have to handle as it pertains to the reports.

And, as someone who has been on this website for nearly 19 years, that is something that I would never wish on the Moderators/Admins of this website.

[Castille de Italia]

Is this thread not "reposting a locked thread" as Mallorea and Riva threatened moderator action with if someone went and posted something along these lines?

Given the subject here seems to correlate to moderator conduct, which was the previous thread's topic (though I was admonished by said moderator for being off topic when discussing moderator conduct), can we just have this thread merged into the already existing one, and unlock the thread since it was a temporary lock?

This topic is more specifically about the policy of spamming moderation in report threads and so is not about mod conduct.

Given the topic of this conversation seems to stem from here, where the user implies mods are abusing their power, I'm inclined to understand that perhaps maybe the discussion isn't solely limited to spamming moderation? I don't think context for a discussion is limited to a singular thread (being this thread).

[Shazbotdom]

This topic is more specifically about the policy of spamming moderation in report threads and so is not about mod conduct.

Given the topic of this conversation seems to stem from here, where the user implies mods are abusing their power, I'm inclined to understand that perhaps maybe the discussion isn't solely limited to spamming moderation? I don't think context for a discussion is limited to a singular thread (being this thread).

The party is upset because they got an UnOfficial Warning. That's not abuse of power.

They don't want to play by the rules, so they are now trying to garner sympathy on their side.

[Neutraligon]

This topic is more specifically about the policy of spamming moderation in report threads and so is not about mod conduct.

Given the topic of this conversation seems to stem from here, where the user implies mods are abusing their power, I'm inclined to understand that perhaps maybe the discussion isn't solely limited to spamming moderation? I don't think context for a discussion is limited to a singular thread (being this thread).

The user is specifically complaining about a rule, namely spamming moderation. The topic stems from here viewtopic.php?f=16&t=535305

[Dimetrodon Empire]

I do agree with the current policy on spamming moderation.

Needless opinions just clog up that kind of thread. Moderators want to see evidence of rule-breaking, and your opinions just make the thread harder to read.

You spammed moderation, and minor punishments and a polite reminder was handed out to not do it again. I don't see what the issue is.

[Castille de Italia]

Given the topic of this conversation seems to stem from here, where the user implies mods are abusing their power, I'm inclined to understand that perhaps maybe the discussion isn't solely limited to spamming moderation? I don't think context for a discussion is limited to a singular thread (being this thread).

The user is specifically complaining about a rule, namely spamming moderation. The topic stems from here viewtopic.php?f=16&t=535305

So the thread I linked where said user was complaining how a moderator was warning/forumbanning user and their friends for spamming moderation is entirely not relevant? The user in question didn't post this thread because they had started a thread about moderator conduct (though I personally perceive their argument to be frivolous or at a bare minimum extremely uninformed) get locked?

[Neutraligon]

The user is specifically complaining about a rule, namely spamming moderation. The topic stems from here viewtopic.php?f=16&t=535305

So the thread I linked where said user was complaining how a moderator was warning/forumbanning user and their friends for spamming moderation is entirely not relevant? The user in question didn't post this thread because they had started a thread about moderator conduct (though I personally perceive their argument to be frivolous or at a bare minimum extremely uninformed) get locked?

NO, that is not why they started this thread. It is in fact mentioned why they started this thread in the thread I linked. You will note that the I mentioned I moved the thread from general. That is because they misunderstood something written in the thread I linked. The claim of moderation misconduct you linked is also linked back to the thread I linked, though the topics are different. That thread was complaining about corruption which got the response you saw. This thread is talking about policy.

[Dawn Denac]

There is a large difference between:

'lol [name] lmao'/'get fucked idiot' or 'in my opinion he seems fine'

vs

'Here's some linked posts relevant to Topic Y, or information that might be important in a ruling in my opinion.'