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The Proud Transphobe wrote:I didn't expect you to. As ever, you are very happy to make all sorts of negative assumptions without proof. It's the modus operandi of many on the left these days.

The Proud Transphobe wrote:
- The whole pronoun issue is not only a blatant attack on freedom of speech, but it is incredibly disrespectful. The point of language is to communicate your own thoughts and feelings. We can debate exactly what "man" and "woman" mean all day, but it is ultimately irrelevant when the whole point of a speaker saying "he" or "she" is to communicate how they perceive the person they are referring to. If in my worldview a person is a man, I am going to use "he/him" to describe them. You are free to have your own definitions, but I'll use words according to my definitions. It is impolite to demand that I conform to your definitions.

The point is, there is no line you aren't willing to cross in the name of whatever you consider to be - however arbitrarily - a trans right. That said, insofar as the trans movement wants to extend bodily autonomy to consenting adults, protect trans people from violent attacks (no, "microaggressions" are not violence), and just generally live in society doing their own thing, I'm all for it. Go do your thing, enjoy life, be happy, etc.... I don't care so long as it doesn't mess with me. But it is pretty clear to the rest of us you don't want to just stay in your own lane. You want special privileges at the expense of others' rights and dignity. And that is the problem.

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I want to add that "The Proud Transphobe" seems to me to be pretty intrinsically trolly. The nation seems to have been named specifically and deliberately to cause offense and provoke angry responses. I gather that sigs are held to a higher standard than post content, because they often can't be properly debated without threadjacking. Does that not apply to nation names as well?

Ameriganastan wrote:In addition to the threadjack, I'd like to add on that The Proud Transphobe is pretty flamebaity. He's political naming, which I know is an offense, and he's just kind of a troll in general. He's been trolling the trans thread for days.

The Proud Transphobe wrote:I didn't expect you to. As ever, you are very happy to make all sorts of negative assumptions without proof. It's the modus operandi of many on the left these days.

The Proud Transphobe wrote:
- The whole pronoun issue is not only a blatant attack on freedom of speech, but it is incredibly disrespectful. The point of language is to communicate your own thoughts and feelings. We can debate exactly what "man" and "woman" mean all day, but it is ultimately irrelevant when the whole point of a speaker saying "he" or "she" is to communicate how they perceive the person they are referring to. If in my worldview a person is a man, I am going to use "he/him" to describe them. You are free to have your own definitions, but I'll use words according to my definitions. It is impolite to demand that I conform to your definitions.

The point is, there is no line you aren't willing to cross in the name of whatever you consider to be - however arbitrarily - a trans right. That said, insofar as the trans movement wants to extend bodily autonomy to consenting adults, protect trans people from violent attacks (no, "microaggressions" are not violence), and just generally live in society doing their own thing, I'm all for it. Go do your thing, enjoy life, be happy, etc.... I don't care so long as it doesn't mess with me. But it is pretty clear to the rest of us you don't want to just stay in your own lane. You want special privileges at the expense of others' rights and dignity. And that is the problem.

Luna Amore wrote:Reminder given about the threadjack.

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Ameriganastan wrote:In addition to the threadjack, I'd like to add on that The Proud Transphobe is pretty flamebaity. He's political naming, which I know is an offense, and he's just kind of a troll in general. He's been trolling the trans thread for days.

I don't see flamebait or political nicknaming. The first quote 'many on the left' is closest, but I don't think it rises to moderator action.

The name 'The Proud Transphobe' has been reported and ruled not actionable multiple times. The poster is admittedly arguing an unpopular opinion, but it does look to be in earnest and not specifically as trolling.

Fienia Sat5 wrote:

Luna Amore wrote:Reminder given about the threadjack.

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I don't see flamebait or political nicknaming. The first quote 'many on the left' is closest, but I don't think it rises to moderator action.

The name 'The Proud Transphobe' has been reported and ruled not actionable multiple times. The poster is admittedly arguing an unpopular opinion, but it does look to be in earnest and not specifically as trolling.

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Luna Amore wrote:The name 'The Proud Transphobe' has been reported and ruled not actionable multiple times. The poster is admittedly arguing an unpopular opinion, but it does look to be in earnest and not specifically as trolling.

Senkaku wrote:

Luna Amore wrote:The name 'The Proud Transphobe' has been reported and ruled not actionable multiple times. The poster is admittedly arguing an unpopular opinion, but it does look to be in earnest and not specifically as trolling.

Just a clarifying question— can people also make nations called “the proud homophobe” or “the proud black-hater” or “the proud misogynist” or “the proud antisemite” or whatever, then, as long as their arguing of such opinions looks to Moderation staff be in earnest?

Juristonia wrote:No longer a hypothetical.
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The Archregimancy wrote:I've initiated a discussion of some of the points raised here within the moderation team.

Given that this is a holiday weekend for many, this may take a few days to resolve. My thanks for your patience.