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Postby Serdequre » Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:42 pm

Hello! A little while back, I asked a question of more experienced players: could a region of players engaged in roleplaying gameplay have an embassy that they posted to regularly on the Gameplay Forum?

The answers I received were mixed and at least one person encouraged me to make an inquiry of moderation, so here it is. I ask it because it's not entirely clear to me where moderation lines would fall in a scenario where players approached and utilized gameplay as a roleplaying exercise, with inter-regional relationships handled, and described as, fully-fledged character interactions between regional representatives, rather than as the norm, which is usually something more akin to players voicing the positions of their preferred playstyle embodied via disembodied voices (heh). I say 'the norm', because there's all kinds of posts in Gameplay that seem to indicate some ambiguity that might arise if a group of players were engaged in the hypothetical 'roleplaying gameplay' playstyle central to my question.

Here are some examples of posts in the Gameplay forum to help me couch my question:

A post like this one advertising a regional newspaper is pretty typical for Gameplay. No fluff, no gloss, just a straightforward link from a 'nation' that's an account used for managing dispatches. Obviously belongs per the rules.

The Broadside, a thread posted by the 'nation of Wales' (in game terms), but clearly inter-regional gameplay commentary by the player-author. Within the rules, clearly, and I take it this isn't roleplay, and because its object is gameplay dynamics belongs in that section of the forum, but would it still belong there if it was written from the perspective of 'the national delegation from the Republic of Wales'? Seems like it, because of . . .

this post, by Valtarre, which is very clearly entirely 'in character', from the nation posting it to its tone. The post is still exclusively addressing a gameplay event, in the form of a raid, but it's also roleplay in every sense of the term. The author isn't imposing the player's perspective on the readers, but is articulating the perspective of a character involved in gameplay. This post, on its own, hasn't been struck, nor have others like it, so (I assume) it must fall within the rules.

What if an entire regional thread was done in the style of that last post, though? Is it O.K. as long as it pertains to gameplay? Different parts of the rules thread seem to pull in different directions. Take this bit from the News threads & announcements section:

Some elections are considered to be gameplay, but only those contested by players rather than RPed characters.


Does a region that roleplays contests for the region's offices, perhaps in the form of competition between national delegations, fall afoul of this by posting results of that competition to their Gameplay thread? If the result is a shuffling of the region's regional officers, that appears to me to be both gameplay and roleplay, so I don't know, in part because this phrase from the rules thread sort of makes it sound like it'd fine:

While gameplaying can have an element of roleplay to it (e.g. regional governments, acting as Sedgistan the Foreign Minister of the Moon)


Sorry if this was a bit of a long-winded post! I wanted to provide as much context for my thinking to moderation as possible. Thank you in advance for your answer!
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Postby Sedgistan » Sat Oct 01, 2022 1:04 am

Without having examples of what it is you're intending to post, it's hard to give guidance.

Most gameplay is approached with an element of roleplay. There's roleplayed governments of regions, officers, laws, treaties, elections, and people don't communicate in the form of "Hi, I'm Bob, 27, who runs the account Examplestan". That is to be expected, and absolutely fine to have in the Gameplay forum.

Where people have gone wrong in the past is thinking that anything a region does is gameplay - it's not; plenty of regions have pure roleplaying within them (often stuff happening within their nations), or have elements that are just roleplayed - such as "weddings", which were a slightly creepy practice more common about a decade ago. Those don't belong in gameplay. Regions wanting to post news on their roleplayed non-gameplay elements should do so elsewhere in the forums.

Generally if a nation is roleplaying as the actual nation, it probably doesn't relate to Gameplay. If a nation is considered as a character interacting with other nations within regions etc., it's more likely to relate to Gameplay.

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Postby Serdequre » Sat Oct 01, 2022 8:52 am

Sedgistan wrote:Without having examples of what it is you're intending to post, it's hard to give guidance.

Most gameplay is approached with an element of roleplay. There's roleplayed governments of regions, officers, laws, treaties, elections, and people don't communicate in the form of "Hi, I'm Bob, 27, who runs the account Examplestan". That is to be expected, and absolutely fine to have in the Gameplay forum.

Where people have gone wrong in the past is thinking that anything a region does is gameplay - it's not; plenty of regions have pure roleplaying within them (often stuff happening within their nations), or have elements that are just roleplayed - such as "weddings", which were a slightly creepy practice more common about a decade ago. Those don't belong in gameplay. Regions wanting to post news on their roleplayed non-gameplay elements should do so elsewhere in the forums.

Generally if a nation is roleplaying as the actual nation, it probably doesn't relate to Gameplay. If a nation is considered as a character interacting with other nations within regions etc., it's more likely to relate to Gameplay.


Thanks Sedge. I think the part of your answer regarding where people went wrong in the past has cleared things up, but for the sake of total clarity, here's a quick and dirty mock-up of some posts:

Embassy Thread OP
Prime Minister Siru, founder of Founding Nation, has declared the formation of Region, and has thrown open the multiversal gates via powerful dark magics so that other nations may join her own people there. In her opening address, found transcribed below, she has set out her intentions in founding the region, and has produced for her nascent, semi-dictatorial regime a number of early goals to be achieved before her nation's government is willing to share power with the representatives of other nations and begin the transition to regional democracy. The Founding Nation's foreign affairs delegation has also opened up alternative venues of communications via [Discord server link] and promulgated the new region's [Embassy Policy Dispatch link] . . . [and so forth and so on].


Reply to thread above by OP
Prime Minister Siru: The last month has seen ten new national delegations from nations which have answered our summons become engaged with the affairs of Region. Having reached the initial goals set forth by my people in the articulation of our aims in the [First Constitution link], my government has now established procedures for, called for, and carried out the transition to a more democratic system of governance following the completion of our [link to now-closed Constitutional Convention International Incidents thread]. I am pleased to announce to the inter-regional press the make-up of the new regional governing body, as well as provide commentary on the most recent operation abroad our region participated in, which saw the successful defense of Allied Region from Notorious Raiders . . . [and so forth and so on].


I assume all of the above is okay per the current rules, because the subject matter is gameplay, and not something like a wedding where there are no game mechanics involved, even if the style I'd be using to post is a bit different from the typical NSGP post.

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Postby Sedgistan » Sat Oct 01, 2022 9:43 am

Yep, those look fine. Other regions have made announcements that roleplay to that extent their gameplay activities. This and this from Europeia are good examples. I've also seen plenty of raid/defence reports from other groups that take a similar approach, and some on treaty agreements too.

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Postby Serdequre » Sat Oct 01, 2022 11:18 am

Awesome. Good to know that RP of that extent is welcome in that part of the forum!

Thanks again for the speedy replies. All the questions I can think of have been answered.


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