[R] Flaming in Gorbachev debate thread

[Denoidumbutoniurucwivobrs]

Things are getting feisty.

The Soviet Union was built as a rejection of corrupt and hypocritical liberal democracy and parasitic free-market capitalism. It gave more political participation to the working class, as well as a better quality of life, than any Western country to this day ever has. It was not perfect, but it was a step in the right direction: away from the elitist and aristocratic ideals of the Enlightenment that strengthened the burghers and merchants and weakened the peasants and proletariat.

Mikhail Gorbachev alone did not bring about the end of that great vision, but he was the final nail in the coffin. His efforts to turn the USSR to embrace reaction in contrast to it's stated purpose ultimately killed the Union and the world is forever worse for it.

God, I'm sorry, but would you fuck off? The Bolshevik government humiliated my culture, my nation, organized genocide. I know very well, like my entire nation, what communism really is. Repression, executions, exile. I hate this country. Like all communists. Including you. Half of Ukrainians have grandmothers, grandfathers, great-grandmothers, great-grandfathers who were repressed by the Soviet authorities.

You have no right to say such things until you understand for yourself what a communist really is.

No.



How?



The Holodomor was anything but organized, and Ukraine wasn't the only one being affected by it.



Half your country misses the USSR according to opinion polls.



Things that apparently don't happen in free market capitalist liberal democracies.

Oh, wait...



Pity, because it was better for Ukraine than your modern oligarch-controlled government.



I'm a Socialist, not a Communist.



And many of those people deserved repression. Kulaks, nobles, business magnates, landlords, etc. People who leech off the labor of others and reap the benefits of society while contributing fuck all like the parasites they are.



I know exactly what Communism is, and I know exactly what Communists have done in the past. I don't need a lecture on history.

Fuck off. I hate talking to you.

I can answer each of these questions, but you have no right to say so. My great-great-grandfather fought for the Ukrainian People's Republic. I am continuing his case today.

You are trash to me.

They hoarded food during famines, so yes, they deserved to be oppressed.



Not at all! Very disturbing to hear you think so!

You know what? Come here, to Ukraine. And say in public all that you told me. Very soon you will rethink everything, caring citizens will help you with this.

Link to thread: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=523325

[Nlarhyalo]

Saying that groups of people deserve to be starved to death (probably trolling)

[Denoidumbutoniurucwivobrs]

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=523325&p=39928631#p39928631 probable flaming on both sides.

Do feel free to give me an example of anything I've said that was wrong in this thread or any other for that matter, instead of your usual shying away from any substantial point, especially ones levied against yourself.

So much of what you do is nothing more than ideological grandstanding and repetition of easily debunked falsehoods.

But sure, let's instead listen to the guy who thinks you need to be six feet under when you turn 73.

I stopped engaging with you a long time ago quite specifically because there's no value in having any kind of conversation with someone who mindlessly echoes Cold War anti-Left propaganda and calls it "facts". For a self-proclaimed Leftist you seem to spend more time arguing against other Leftists than with reactionaries.

Lot to be said about that, but I've made my point.

[Esternial]

Addressed.

[Denoidumbutoniurucwivobrs]

Addressed.

Thank you

[Nlarhyalo]

Saying that groups of people deserve to be starved to death (probably trolling)

Is this not actionable?

[Esternial]

Saying that groups of people deserve to be starved to death (probably trolling)

Is this not actionable?

I would not say so.

But if you want me to I can flag this for a second opinion.

[Haganham]

Is this not actionable?

I would not say so.

But if you want me to I can flag this for a second opinion.

If you do, might want to consider this as well. It seems to be a pattern. viewtopic.php?t=523431&f=20&view=unread#p39931228

[Nlarhyalo]

Is this not actionable?

I would not say so.

But if you want me to I can flag this for a second opinion.

I'd appreciate that. Not to try to rules lawyer but it seems to me like saying that some people deserve to be starved to death is trolling because its celebrating deaths and/or encouraging them.

[Imperium of Texas]

Saying that groups of people deserve to be starved to death (probably trolling)

I mean, the person saying it thinks that Stalin was the best Leader of the Soviet Union so It’s not surprising.

[Chingis]

Requested second opinion has arrived! The kulak post is non-actionable.

[Madrinpoor]

I would not say so.

But if you want me to I can flag this for a second opinion.

If you do, might want to consider this as well. It seems to be a pattern. viewtopic.php?t=523431&f=20&view=unread#p39931228

She got a seven-day ban already for advocating death on the Argentine VP.

[New Visayan Islands]

Saying that groups of people deserve to be starved to death (probably trolling)

I mean, the person saying it thinks that Stalin was the best Leader of the Soviet Union so It’s not surprising.

When you return from your *** two-week forumban for spamming Moderation ***, we expect you to take the Rules to heart.

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