Genocide denial and sympathy

[Salus Maior]

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The measures of 1915-17 were the result of on one hand the decade-long campaign of the Armenians for independence from the Ottoman Empire by means of Terrorism and murder, and on the other of their direct support and alliance with the Russian Empire. Deportations and anti-partisan-operations were enacted by Grand Vizier Mehmed Talât, Minister of War Ismail Enver and the third of the triumvirate, Ahmet Cemal. I do not and have never cmailed to support Ittihatcilik or other politics of the Young Turks. I have not expanded on the rethoric of the erdoganites in their idiotic espousing of both the Hamidian Era and Envers Caucasian Pan-Turanism. Nevertheless the measures taken were a legitimate response to ermeni terrorism and murder, undertaken by a nation under assault on many flanks in wartime. They are no more illigitime or criminal than the Blockade of the Central Powers by the british fleets or the firebombings of japanese cities in WWII. Had the Ottoman State as you accuse them tried to exterminate your people, they could easily have done so without using railriad stock that was desparately needed for military measures! Less people died of these legitimate wartime measures than of the English Blockade of Germany and Austria-Hungary.

Yes, I would proudly call myself a Kemalist. As such I have a duty to both my homeland and the truth. I do not support mass-murder, that you dare to insinuate such a thing is blatantly insulting. The Ottoman Army was faced with an openly hostile population and guerilla warfare in wartime that had allied itself with the enemy. The Army of the Grand National Assembly killed those that dared to invade our holemand. Greeks, Armenians, French, Ingiliz. They all have no business trying to occupy it, and I am proud to say our forefathers kicked them to the curb as was proper. The travesty of the treaty of Sevres was defeated. The greek occupiers kicked into the sea and yours back to the place they came from. I applaude General Karabekir for defeating them in 1921, he is a Hero of the Turkish Nation. Murder is bad you say...tell that to your terrorists, tell that to the followers of Öccalan! They, just like your own Armenian Revolutionary Federation, murdered turks in their home. Tell that to the islamists and their fanatic bombers!

...you have some nerve. Wasn't it you that called all turks "genociders"? Your people were never exterminated - that you continue to insinuate such and that they fought 2 wars against Azerbaycan should serve as ample proof to that. Freedom fighters... I suppose the Taliban are freedom fighters too? Isis?

Underlines for relevance. The Armenian genocide is well documented and absolutely happened, so I expect moderation to treat this with as much seriousness and quickness to action as if it were the Holocaust or other well-documented cases of genocide.

[Salus Maior]

Some more for the pile.

In turn the modern Republic of Turkey is no more guilty of any crime than the Federal Republic of Germany.

The Ottoman Empire, in turn, is as guilty as the British Empire.

Mets hayk calls Atatürk the Scum of the earth... and me a genocide-apologist for being a Kemalist and loving my homeland. If I am that - every englishman is responsible for the Bengal famine and every american for the Indian Wars. But: the Armenians enacted a campaign of terrorism for their independenfce from the Ottoman Empire. He insults Atatürk with the vilest of names, the equivalent of calling your George Washington a Whoreson! He pisses on the greatest Hero of our nation! I have tried my best to be reasonable here, to respond to fact instead of ideology. I am a patriot, surely you can understand that. He hates every turk, insinuates guilt over a whole people and nation. We all should bow down to the Oh-so-great Ermenistani, discard our allies like Azerbaycan and support them.

Well excuse me, but I take exception to that! Every time his nation has lost a war they started the accusations start dropping and falling, the azeri tried to genocide his people after it, the Army of the Republic of Turkey did, the Ottomans did... this is bullshit! They tried to gain independence from the Ottoman empire with terrorism and murder since the 1890s, and the Ottoman Emprie did what the British Empire did in Ireland. They allied themselves with the enemy in WW1, supporting Imperiasl Russia. With the Soviets in the 1920s. They invaded our homeland in 1920, and he accuses the defenders of yet another "Genocide". The Azeri likewise: the Armeniajns occupied part of Azerbaycan, a part that held a significant Ermeni minority, supporting its supposed independence, just like the serbs did in Bosnia and the russiand most recently did in Luhansk and Donetsk! And every time they loose the accusations start flying, just like the lies of 1915. Hurr durr, genocide! Every time THEY start the conflict and lose it it suddenly is genocide, and speaking against the lies is taboo that labels you as a virtual nazi!

[Red Lake Circle]

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Got pretty bold about it, too

[Qihein]

Even more bolder here.

This is the last time I'm going to ask...after this, I'm done:

HOW, dear Hamidiye, is the Armenian genocide a work of "vile fiction"?

Well, simply put, it does not exist, other than in accusation. We done yet?

[Salus Maior]

Even if the mods are not willing to act on the issue of genocide denial, this and plenty more of what Hamid has said surely qualifies as flaming.

[The House of Hamid]

Even if the mods are not willing to act on the issue of genocide denial, this and plenty more of what Hamid has said surely qualifies as flaming.

Where, if I may ask?