NS Petition: Change of Guard

[Outer Sparta]

So what are you proposing? That every single mod should be banished just because you don't like their decisions? You agreed to the site rules when going onto NS. If you don't like it, then go somewhere else because you're highly unlikely going to get anything changed based on your attitude.

[Forever Indomitable]

I'm a human being; I get frustrated, sometimes. A swear word doesn't discredit the very real bias that the mods display.

The mods are also human. They are not trained like robots. They however, consider for example: your history and many other factors. So don't get mad about the fact you'll probably get a forum ban or puppetsweep...

I don't even have any puppets. I've always used a single account at a time and I have a history of trying to be civil in the face of popular derision.

[Forever Indomitable]

Go read my posts again. I attacked society, not a specific poster. And calling someone an "oppressor" when they support a system of oppression is not a personal attack. I am describing an individual's power dynamic in relation to myself. People have used many such terms against me, but there was no moderator intervention due to bias. My only sin is being critical as a despised minority.

What is this "system of oppression" you speak of?

I've been trying to speak on it, but the thin skinned mods locked my thread. It's something I'm extremely concerned with and I have to stick up for myself and what I care about because nobody else will.

[Kathol Rift]

What is this "system of oppression" you speak of?

I've been trying to speak on it, but the thin skinned mods locked my thread. It's something I'm extremely concerned with and I have to stick up for myself and what I care about because nobody else will.

Most likely because you're the only one that cares about your white ethnostate based on inaccurate science. And you're the one out here writing a manifesto about it. It seems to me the mods aren't the thin-skinned ones.

[The Church of Satan]

I've seen mods dismiss people calling Catholics "irrational" and the majority of posts against me fall into the category of "scathing". I used the terms "domesticated" and "degenerated", hardly anything to write HR about, especially when these terms actually have a legitimate biological foundation for being used. The issue is that I'm held to a different standard, 1 that doesn't reflect equality as a poster.

Did they call the person irrational, or did they say the person was being irrational. There is a difference. I promise you, NationStates Moderation does not play favorites. I'm not a mod, but I see them being objective all the time. You're not as special as you think you are. You're just another player who thinks they are. One out of thousands that have come through over the years. Nothing will change. I promise you that. Your dead horse isn't coming back. So please stop hitting it. :-/

[Shazbotdom]

I want to start a Petition to lock this thread.

[Forever Indomitable]

Go read my posts again. I attacked society, not a specific poster. And calling someone an "oppressor" when they support a system of oppression is not a personal attack. I am describing an individual's power dynamic in relation to myself. People have used many such terms against me, but there was no moderator intervention due to bias. My only sin is being critical as a despised minority.

Yes, yes, you're victimhood must feel quite valid, but NationStates Moderation isn't responsible for making you feel validated.

I'm not going to report anyone. I don't believe in that. People, IMO, have a human right to say whatever they want about me. I'll talk with those that are willing to put substance with slander. And I'm not being a douche. What is being done to me, my people and humanity is not pretty. I'm describing a system of abuse that I oppose. Last time I checked, standing up for yourself against a world that wants to beat you down isn't wrong.

If you're looking to change the world, lemme tell you, you are in the wrong place to do it. Write your congressman, organize a protest, coordinate with others who feel as you do.
If you're looking to debate, don't call the debater weak. Call the debater's position weak. Attack the argument, not the person stating it.

As for the whole "no snitching" thing, that doesn't do any good. All that does is let people get away with something wrong. It's how gangs thrive, and fester, until their neighborhood turns into a dangerous place. Now, it might not be so literal here on a website, but instead it helps cultivate an attitude that fosters inappropriate, and toxic environments where intellectual discourse is replaced with name-calling, threats, and other childish things like that.

Talking to people is where change starts. Why would I write my congressman? They perpetuate and benefit from my oppression. Why would I organize a protest? I am an absolute minority. Nobody stands with me on what I care about. I called someone an oppressor because I want them to understand that their role in society supports the status quo and their system of abuse. It's not so much an attack as it is pointing a mirror in the hope of generating a self awareness in someone.

[Forever Indomitable]

I've been trying to speak on it, but the thin skinned mods locked my thread. It's something I'm extremely concerned with and I have to stick up for myself and what I care about because nobody else will.

Most likely because you're the only one that cares about your white ethnostate based on inaccurate science. And you're the one out here writing a manifesto about it. It seems to me the mods aren't the thin-skinned ones.

Sorry, but I've already disproved all of your claims about "inaccurate science". If you're calling me thin-skinned, that's rather amusing because I've taken just about everything you all have to throw at me and still want to debate, regardless of how much derision and mockery I receive.

[The Church of Satan]

Welp, he's not open to an opposing viewpoint. Looks like we're talking to a wall. Time to leave this wall alone and let it crumble.

[Free Algerstonia]

I'm just as critical of the mod team and of Reploid Productions as you are, but you are overblowing things. Nobody fears speaking out on things; we have ethnic ultranationalists, Salafi jihadists, fascists, Stalinists, and a metric fuckton other extremist ideologies that haven't been kicked off the site (and those who have were banned for more than simply their views). The snitching culture is a symptom of NSG's debating style enjoyed by some of the established users that are typically a cycle of "one-liners -> gradually more baity one-liners -> opponent gets angry enough to break the rules -> report". NationStates is plenty inclusive, and the uninclusivity stemming from the site-- which I view as a positive-- is action against the alternative right and intolerance towards minorities done by those in the Gameplay raiding and defending sphere. I think you should take a short break and return once you've gotten over your DEAT.

[Free Algerstonia]

Welp, he's not open to an opposing viewpoint. Looks like we're talking to a wall. Time to leave this wall alone and let it crumble.

IF is not the only wall you speak of.

[Vavlar]

Welp, he's not open to an opposing viewpoint. Looks like we're talking to a wall. Time to leave this wall alone and let it crumble.

When it comes to loosing something of value/something of value to a person, this occurs.

[Forever Indomitable]

I've seen mods dismiss people calling Catholics "irrational" and the majority of posts against me fall into the category of "scathing". I used the terms "domesticated" and "degenerated", hardly anything to write HR about, especially when these terms actually have a legitimate biological foundation for being used. The issue is that I'm held to a different standard, 1 that doesn't reflect equality as a poster.

Did they call the person irrational, or did they say the person was being irrational. There is a difference. I promise you, NationStates Moderation does not play favorites. I'm not a mod, but I see them being objective all the time. You're not as special as you think you are. You're just another player who thinks they are. One out of thousands that have come through over the years. Nothing will change. I promise you that. Your dead horse isn't coming back. So please stop hitting it. :-/

Calling Catholics irrational directly calls every individual Catholic irrational, just like calling Republicans/Democrats ignorant or whatever is to call each individual as such. This happens all the time on NS and what I said was actually tamer in comparison because it's far broader and encompasses all systems of power.

[Forever Indomitable]

Welp, he's not open to an opposing viewpoint. Looks like we're talking to a wall. Time to leave this wall alone and let it crumble.

I'm listening to what you're saying but you're 100% not admitting I got held to a different standard. There are broad, scathing criticisms leveled at groups all the time on NSG, but I got singled out and disproportionately punished for it. Do you admit this or not?

[Portugal and the Algarves]

I want to start a Petition to lock this thread.

I want to start a petition stating that every mod must be forced to wear a silly hat.

[Forever Indomitable]

I'm just as critical of the mod team and of Reploid Productions as you are, but you are overblowing things. Nobody fears speaking out on things; we have ethnic ultranationalists, Salafi jihadists, fascists, Stalinists, and a metric fuckton other extremist ideologies that haven't been kicked off the site (and those who have were banned for more than simply their views). The snitching culture is a symptom of NSG's debating style enjoyed by some of the established users that are typically a cycle of "one-liners -> gradually more baity one-liners -> opponent gets angry enough to break the rules -> report". NationStates is plenty inclusive, and the uninclusivity stemming from the site-- which I view as a positive-- is action against the alternative right and intolerance towards minorities done by those in the Gameplay raiding and defending sphere. I think you should take a short break and return once you've gotten over your DEAT.

All I did was object to discrimination, degradation, domestication and oppression. Society at large perpetrates these things, so what do you want me to do, blame the Martians? I didn't deserve to be deleted or locked and if you read Reploid's response, it was very clear she had a personal axe to grind.

[Kathol Rift]

Most likely because you're the only one that cares about your white ethnostate based on inaccurate science. And you're the one out here writing a manifesto about it. It seems to me the mods aren't the thin-skinned ones.

Sorry, but I've already disproved all of your claims about "inaccurate science". If you're calling me thin-skinned, that's rather amusing because I've taken just about everything you all have to throw at me and still want to debate, regardless of how much derision and mockery I receive.

Did you? I never saw any valid scientific sources backing up your claims of genetics being the most significant contributing factor to behavior, rather than culture. You also never adequately defined your belief that there's some kind of shared European culture or genetics that justifies your ethnostate.

[The Black Forrest]

Sorry lad. I am not seeing the need for a change of the moderator staff from what you presented.

First and foremost. The rule to life and not getting punished is to follow the rules. They define as much as they can and are a work in progress that's been going on for a very long time. Things change and new things come and modifications happen.

Still let's look:

Mods being excessively censorious and personal bias? Not true. Personal bias doesn't come into play as there are the rules and if a punishment is not so blaring (ie a troll); they do discuss it amongst themselves before handing it out. If comments break a rules; you get red flagged. Post something really bad and it's deleted (ie porn).

Cultivating an environment of snitching? No. Sorry. At most they ask if you see somebody breaking the rules, report it as there is too much activity to cover every post. Even then; people do that on their own for various reasons. There isn't a reward for doing it so the claim is silly.

Deaf to criticism? Actually they do list to criticism and if the arguments are rather solid; they do act on it. Now if the complaints are because a user violates the rules, gets punished and gets mad? Not much is going to happen. You have to work to get deleted. Be it frequent violations or just doing something completely wrong. As the old saying? You get enough rope to hang yourself.

Heavy handed? Smug....in general? Not really. Now if you are talking about a user who thinks he can post whatever he wants whenever he wants. They will get heavy handed if you ignore the warnings and get mouthy over them. One thing that is often raised in these matters is "freedom of speech" The problem? There is no freedom of speech on this site. The rules define what you can post, how you are to handle yourself, basically be a professional; don't be a dick.

Reploid gloating? You would have to provide evidence on that one. Though I wouldn't do that here. Bad mod actions are reported through the official reporting rather then the public mod forum.

As to the rest.....sounds more like anger. Word of advice? If you want to lodge a complaint, take a break and then think about it. Review the rules. You might have an actual issue. Then again.....petitions for removal of the staff?...that just makes many people just You need some rather scary evidence for such an action. I should point out mods have left over issues.

Anyway; review the rules. They will solve many of your pains. If you think you are being disrespected? It's an anonymous political debate site; not worth the anger. Even then; if they violated rules, report it. Even if you are not sure; report it anyway. They will review it and judge accordingly. Better that way incase you have a troll trying to test the boundaries of what they can get away with....

I guess after all that?....I would be a "no" on your petition.

[Free Algerstonia]

I'm just as critical of the mod team and of Reploid Productions as you are, but you are overblowing things. Nobody fears speaking out on things; we have ethnic ultranationalists, Salafi jihadists, fascists, Stalinists, and a metric fuckton other extremist ideologies that haven't been kicked off the site (and those who have were banned for more than simply their views). The snitching culture is a symptom of NSG's debating style enjoyed by some of the established users that are typically a cycle of "one-liners -> gradually more baity one-liners -> opponent gets angry enough to break the rules -> report". NationStates is plenty inclusive, and the uninclusivity stemming from the site-- which I view as a positive-- is action against the alternative right and intolerance towards minorities done by those in the Gameplay raiding and defending sphere. I think you should take a short break and return once you've gotten over your DEAT.

All I did was object to discrimination, degradation, domestication and oppression. Society at large perpetrates these things, so what do you want me to do, blame the Martians? I didn't deserve to be deleted or locked and if you read Reploid's response, it was very clear she had a personal axe to grind.

Degradation? Dude, you lost a nation. So many people have lost nations. I've lost nations four separate times! You're blowing this way out of hand right now, getting a nation deleted isn't this grand tragedy you perceive it as. You're still allowed to post, you're still allowed to post on General, you just need to cool it. This isn't synonymous of any societal issues, this isn't some grand struggle, this is just the mod making a choice to delete one of your accounts. I agree with several of your criticisms of the mod team, but you're blowing this out of proportion. You need to calm down.

[Forever Indomitable]

Sorry, but I've already disproved all of your claims about "inaccurate science". If you're calling me thin-skinned, that's rather amusing because I've taken just about everything you all have to throw at me and still want to debate, regardless of how much derision and mockery I receive.

Did you? I never saw any valid scientific sources backing up your claims of genetics being the most significant contributing factor to behavior, rather than culture. You also never adequately defined your belief that there's some kind of shared European culture or genetics that justifies your ethnostate.

Actually, I did all those things and I am more than willing to go over them with you in WIC, where it's actually on topic, but 1st, I have an appeal to file.

[Nomayuki]

This is a petition to the site admin and for all users to demote or remove the top of the moderation staff for the reasons of being excessively censorious, deaf to user criticism, personal bias, cultivating and encouraging an environment of snitching that erodes community, engaging in heavy handed moderation that stifles organic discussion and all around general abuses of power. I think this general attitude is well encapsulated by how Reploid Productions has a habit of smugly gloating when she bans someone. While I get NS is a product platform, as a political forum, I believe it requires a higher degree of free speech, impartiality and inclusivity to achieve an actual sense of progressive integrity where users can express themselves without habitually looking over their shoulders. If you think the moderation on this site is out of hand and oppressive, please consider "signing" this thread.

How could you know this all when you joined just yesterday? Or did you... Maybe you are an alt of a nation that was banned.

[Forever Indomitable]

All I did was object to discrimination, degradation, domestication and oppression. Society at large perpetrates these things, so what do you want me to do, blame the Martians? I didn't deserve to be deleted or locked and if you read Reploid's response, it was very clear she had a personal axe to grind.

Degradation? Dude, you lost a nation. So many people have lost nations. I've lost nations four separate times! You're blowing this way out of hand right now, getting a nation deleted isn't this grand tragedy you perceive it as. You're still allowed to post, you're still allowed to post on General, you just need to cool it. This isn't synonymous of any societal issues, this isn't some grand struggle, this is just the mod making a choice to delete one of your accounts. I agree with several of your criticisms of the mod team, but you're blowing this out of proportion. You need to calm down.

No, I'm talking about social and human degradation, not me losing a beloved collection of stats. I regret making this thread as I did and should've made it a petition to unlock WIC. I fucked up on that one. Anyway, I'm going to collect myself so I can make my final appeal, later.

[Free Algerstonia]

Degradation? Dude, you lost a nation. So many people have lost nations. I've lost nations four separate times! You're blowing this way out of hand right now, getting a nation deleted isn't this grand tragedy you perceive it as. You're still allowed to post, you're still allowed to post on General, you just need to cool it. This isn't synonymous of any societal issues, this isn't some grand struggle, this is just the mod making a choice to delete one of your accounts. I agree with several of your criticisms of the mod team, but you're blowing this out of proportion. You need to calm down.

No, I'm talking about social and human degradation, not me losing a beloved collection of stats. I regret making this thread as I did and should've made it a petition to unlock WIC. I fucked up on that one. Anyway, I'm going to collect myself so I can make my final appeal, later.

I'm not sure what social and human degradation have anything to do with losing a nation in an obscure online forum, but I'm glad you're recognizing these threads you made in Moderation was a mistake.

[Forever Indomitable]

No, I'm talking about social and human degradation, not me losing a beloved collection of stats. I regret making this thread as I did and should've made it a petition to unlock WIC. I fucked up on that one. Anyway, I'm going to collect myself so I can make my final appeal, later.

I'm not sure what social and human degradation have anything to do with losing a nation in an obscure online forum, but I'm glad you're recognizing these threads you made in Moderation was a mistake.

They're not a mistake. I have to stick up for myself and what I believe in because nobody else will.

[Santheres]

Given the impending final appeal (thank you for considering doing that), and the admission that this thread was created in a regrettable fashion/"fuck up" - and the honest fact that no further good can come from this, especially with so many posts on the edge of baiting, I am locking this thread.