NS Petition: Change of Guard

[Thethen]

Please refer to the TOS (in the FAQs) that you agreed to, specifically the first question in "Etiquette".

Q: It's free speech, so I can post whatever I like here, right?
A: Ahahahaha! Hahaha! Free speech! No, it's not. I run this web site, see, so you have to play by my rules. It's like my own Father Knows Best state.

Do people really read the TOS when they make a nation, though?

[Mets Hayk]

Please refer to the TOS (in the FAQs) that you agreed to, specifically the first question in "Etiquette".

Do people really read the TOS when they make a nation, though?

I don't think so, because some people still like to display Nazi imagery.

[Vavlar]

To me, the NS mods are fair, but sometimes they can be one-sided against your statements, however based off the comment in the spoiler which contains an f bombs and statements of anger, I choose no, and even if you never posted the comment below or lost your main, I would still. say. no.

Appeal denied; the decision was correct.

No, it wasn't. You guys are biased as fuck and don't even make the effort to hide it. For how many users there are on this site, General is disproportionately paltry in activity and that's evidence of your power tripping bullshit. You shut down threads for the most garbage reasons and pick and choose who you give favor to. Your "my way or the highway" mentality is as immature as it is damaging to a semblance of community.

[Shazbotdom]

Please refer to the TOS (in the FAQs) that you agreed to, specifically the first question in "Etiquette".

Do people really read the TOS when they make a nation, though?

I mean, it's a binding contract. So they should. It specifically prompts you to when you sign up. So, it's not the Admins and Mods fault that these people didn't and lose your their for breaking the rules.

[Forever Indomitable]

I'm not surprised you support them, Mr. Corrupt Dictatorship. I've seen various sorts of generalized social criticisms in NSG, but when I do it, in rather tame rhetoric to boot, I get punished. You can't always sugarcoat your message and I've been held to different standards by moderation the entire time I've been here. Selectively censoring criticism is the very foundation of anti-intellectualism and as someone who idealistically and practically values freedom of expression, I have to oppose this.

It's not necessarily what you say. It's how you say it. You may not sugar coat it, but you sure do drown it in salt, pepper, hot sauce, and tear gas. You'd go a lot further if you learned to be civil while talking to other people.

NationStates Moderation isn't the problem here. You are. This is further illustrated by that light, but not so subtle "corrupt dictatorship" insult you so carelessly threw onto the fire for extra kindling. But thank you for the added heat! The flames could always be hotter down here.

For how hated I've been, I've been civil for the overwhelming majority of my posts and even Reploid Productions admitted this in 1 of her warnings. Some things can't be sugar coated because they are inherently ugly. Human domestication, oppression and cognitive genocide are ugly things to me. Sometimes criticism has to be scathing to illustrate the gravity of what is being critiqued. Anyone in their right would agree I didn't deserve such harsh treatment for what I said, especially when I have a record of trying to adapt to NS rules.

[Mets Hayk]

It's not necessarily what you say. It's how you say it. You may not sugar coat it, but you sure do drown it in salt, pepper, hot sauce, and tear gas. You'd go a lot further if you learned to be civil while talking to other people.

NationStates Moderation isn't the problem here. You are. This is further illustrated by that light, but not so subtle "corrupt dictatorship" insult you so carelessly threw onto the fire for extra kindling. But thank you for the added heat! The flames could always be hotter down here.

For how hated I've been, I've been civil for the overwhelming majority of my posts and even Reploid Productions admitted this in 1 of her warnings. Some things can't be sugar coated because they are inherently ugly. Human domestication, oppression and cognitive genocide are ugly things to me. Sometimes criticism has to be scathing to illustrate the gravity of what is being critiqued. Anyone in their right would agree I didn't deserve such harsh treatment for what I said, especially when I have a record of trying to adapt to NS rules.

I have news for you: you're the oppressor. You're the one that supports imprisoning, marginalizing and genociding people so you can live your perfect little life free of discomfort.

How very civil of you...

[Shazbotdom]

It's not necessarily what you say. It's how you say it. You may not sugar coat it, but you sure do drown it in salt, pepper, hot sauce, and tear gas. You'd go a lot further if you learned to be civil while talking to other people.

NationStates Moderation isn't the problem here. You are. This is further illustrated by that light, but not so subtle "corrupt dictatorship" insult you so carelessly threw onto the fire for extra kindling. But thank you for the added heat! The flames could always be hotter down here.

For how hated I've been, I've been civil for the overwhelming majority of my posts and even Reploid Productions admitted this in 1 of her warnings. Some things can't be sugar coated because they are inherently ugly. Human domestication, oppression and cognitive genocide are ugly things to me. Sometimes criticism has to be scathing to illustrate the gravity of what is being critiqued. Anyone in their right would agree I didn't deserve such harsh treatment for what I said, especially when I have a record of trying to adapt to NS rules.

It doesn't matter if you've been "civil" in most of your posts. YOU broke the rules, therefore YOU suffer the consiquences of that action.

The thing you should do is take it as a learning experience and do something called "Move On".

[Attempted Socialism]

It is my understanding that the way to lodge a final appeal as spelled out in the OSRS does not include relitigating your already decided appeal not-even-thinly-disguised as a petition drive that you know won't go anywhere. Your white supremacy thread was closed because it is fairly difficult to explain or argue for blatantly white supremacist views without it being trolling or flaming, and you fell into that hole.

[The Church of Satan]

For how hated I've been, I've been civil for the overwhelming majority of my posts and even Reploid Productions admitted this in 1 of her warnings. Some things can't be sugar coated because they are inherently ugly. Human domestication, oppression and cognitive genocide are ugly things to me. Sometimes criticism has to be scathing to illustrate the gravity of what is being critiqued. Anyone in their right would agree I didn't deserve such harsh treatment for what I said, especially when I have a record of trying to adapt to NS rules.

You'd be surprised how regularly scathing criticism on this website is phrased in a way that doesn't break the rules. Shocking, I'm sure, but it's all over the place. Especially in NSG.

[Forever Indomitable]

Report them then. Your criticisms of society are....well, they're just that. But, and I can't stress this enough, Mr. Revolutionary, don't be a d-bag while you make them. It's not difficult. All ya gotta do is have manners, and use them even! This may be a radical concept for you, but it's a tried and true method of communication. There's thousands of years of communication to back it up.

I'm not going to report anyone. I don't believe in that. People, IMO, have a human right to say whatever they want about me. I'll talk with those that are willing to put substance with slander. And I'm not being a douche. What is being done to me, my people and humanity is not pretty. I'm describing a system of abuse that I oppose. Last time I checked, standing up for yourself against a world that wants to beat you down isn't wrong.

[Forever Indomitable]

People have directly attacked me the entire time I've been here and I have not once sought moderation in my defense. People criticize me; they have their gripes and I try to have discourse with them. I can't always just pretend you, or x, y and z aren't directly affecting me, you and the rest of society do. I have to describe what is being done for the sake of my defense. I can take criticism, so, why can't everyone else? Because that's what this comes down to, criticism. I didn't make those posts to infuriate anyone, I made them because I have concerns I wish to express and discuss. This is politics, not everything is able to be packaged in palatable wrapping.

If you believe these posts were direct attacks, you can (and should) report it to the moderators. However, direct criticism isn’t usually beneficial to communities because of the fierce arguments they encourage. While they are inevitable, there are ways to argue and attack viewpoints in a direct but civil manner, which most of us accept and try to follow. Direct attacks stress out many people, and, along with the fact that they have nothing to do with the argument, certainly are not part of a healthy debate/argument.

I don't snitch and people can attack me all they want. Nobody in the thread was even violently triggered by what I said and the discussion had continued until the mod stopped it.

[Gandoor]

Another day, another thread of someone whining that moderation needs to be changed because they can't accept the fact that they broke the rules and got punished for it.

You lot are so predictable.

[Shazbotdom]

Another day, another thread of someone whining that moderation needs to be changed because they can't accept the fact that they broke the rules and got punished for it.

You lot are so predictable.

I know, right?

[Forever Indomitable]

I'm familiar with this, but it's crazy that my thread got locked and my nation deleted just because there's no nicer way to describe systemic abuse and human degradation.

That's the thing....there is! You might be thinking, "Whoa! No way! Tell me more, Dark Lord!" Well, for the low, low price of not hurling an insult at the person you're talking to (or your soul, ya know, if you're up to it,) you too can have this marvelous invention!

Go read my posts again. I attacked society, not a specific poster. And calling someone an "oppressor" when they support a system of oppression is not a personal attack. I am describing an individual's power dynamic in relation to myself. People have used many such terms against me, but there was no moderator intervention due to bias. My only sin is being critical as a despised minority.

[Mets Hayk]

That's the thing....there is! You might be thinking, "Whoa! No way! Tell me more, Dark Lord!" Well, for the low, low price of not hurling an insult at the person you're talking to (or your soul, ya know, if you're up to it,) you too can have this marvelous invention!

Go read my posts again. I attacked society, not a specific poster. And calling someone an "oppressor" when they support a system of oppression is not a personal attack. I am describing an individual's power dynamic in relation to myself. People have used many such terms against me, but there was no moderator intervention due to bias. My only sin is being critical as a despised minority.

What is this "system of oppression" you speak of?

[Forever Indomitable]

To me, the NS mods are fair, but sometimes they can be one-sided against your statements, however based off the comment in the spoiler which contains an f bombs and statements of anger, I choose no, and even if you never posted the comment below or lost your main, I would still. say. no.

No, it wasn't. You guys are biased as fuck and don't even make the effort to hide it. For how many users there are on this site, General is disproportionately paltry in activity and that's evidence of your power tripping bullshit. You shut down threads for the most garbage reasons and pick and choose who you give favor to. Your "my way or the highway" mentality is as immature as it is damaging to a semblance of community.

I'm a human being; I get frustrated, sometimes. A swear word doesn't discredit the very real bias that the mods display.

[Vavlar]

To me, the NS mods are fair, but sometimes they can be one-sided against your statements, however based off the comment in the spoiler which contains an f bombs and statements of anger, I choose no, and even if you never posted the comment below or lost your main, I would still. say. no.

I'm a human being; I get frustrated, sometimes. A swear word doesn't discredit the very real bias that the mods display.

The mods are also human. They are not trained like robots. They however, consider for example: your history and many other factors. So don't get mad about the fact you'll probably get a forum ban or puppetsweep...

[Forever Indomitable]

For how hated I've been, I've been civil for the overwhelming majority of my posts and even Reploid Productions admitted this in 1 of her warnings. Some things can't be sugar coated because they are inherently ugly. Human domestication, oppression and cognitive genocide are ugly things to me. Sometimes criticism has to be scathing to illustrate the gravity of what is being critiqued. Anyone in their right would agree I didn't deserve such harsh treatment for what I said, especially when I have a record of trying to adapt to NS rules.

I have news for you: you're the oppressor. You're the one that supports imprisoning, marginalizing and genociding people so you can live your perfect little life free of discomfort.

How very civil of you...

That is relatively civil. That poster supports the systemic racism of law enforcement and government that entraps, abuses and preys upon Euros (among other people). What do you want me to say? I'm trying to express myself, but then I get censored for describing abuse.

[Terrorist Group]

If you believe these posts were direct attacks, you can (and should) report it to the moderators. However, direct criticism isn’t usually beneficial to communities because of the fierce arguments they encourage. While they are inevitable, there are ways to argue and attack viewpoints in a direct but civil manner, which most of us accept and try to follow. Direct attacks stress out many people, and, along with the fact that they have nothing to do with the argument, certainly are not part of a healthy debate/argument.

I don't snitch and people can attack me all they want. Nobody in the thread was even violently triggered by what I said and the discussion had continued until the mod stopped it.

You need to recognise that not everyone shares your views. You cannot expect people to not report you because you don’t report them; not only will some users be unaware of the fact that you refuse to report them, but doing so also allows the direct attacks that neither help an argument nor help it continue. Respect that fact, and you will do fine here, regardless of whether your political opinions are controversial.

[Forever Indomitable]

It is my understanding that the way to lodge a final appeal as spelled out in the OSRS does not include relitigating your already decided appeal not-even-thinly-disguised as a petition drive that you know won't go anywhere. Your white supremacy thread was closed because it is fairly difficult to explain or argue for blatantly white supremacist views without it being trolling or flaming, and you fell into that hole.

I'm not a White Supremacist, don't support White Supremacism and none of my posts have ever condoned or supported it.

[The Church of Satan]

Go read my posts again. I attacked society, not a specific poster. And calling someone an "oppressor" when they support a system of oppression is not a personal attack. I am describing an individual's power dynamic in relation to myself. People have used many such terms against me, but there was no moderator intervention due to bias. My only sin is being critical as a despised minority.

Yes, yes, you're victimhood must feel quite valid, but NationStates Moderation isn't responsible for making you feel validated.

I'm not going to report anyone. I don't believe in that. People, IMO, have a human right to say whatever they want about me. I'll talk with those that are willing to put substance with slander. And I'm not being a douche. What is being done to me, my people and humanity is not pretty. I'm describing a system of abuse that I oppose. Last time I checked, standing up for yourself against a world that wants to beat you down isn't wrong.

If you're looking to change the world, lemme tell you, you are in the wrong place to do it. Write your congressman, organize a protest, coordinate with others who feel as you do.
If you're looking to debate, don't call the debater weak. Call the debater's position weak. Attack the argument, not the person stating it.

As for the whole "no snitching" thing, that doesn't do any good. All that does is let people get away with something wrong. It's how gangs thrive, and fester, until their neighborhood turns into a dangerous place. Now, it might not be so literal here on a website, but instead it helps cultivate an attitude that fosters inappropriate, and toxic environments where intellectual discourse is replaced with name-calling, threats, and other childish things like that.

[Mets Hayk]

How very civil of you...

That is relatively civil. That poster supports the systemic racism of law enforcement and government that entraps, abuses and preys upon Euros (among other people). What do you want me to say? I'm trying to express myself, but then I get censored for describing abuse.

"Systemic racism of law enforcement."

How, in any way, is the concept of law enforcement "systemically racist"?

[Portugal and the Algarves]

NS Summer is here again!

Get yer Troll Ice Cream

[Mets Hayk]

NS Summer is here again!

Get yer Troll Ice Cream

[Forever Indomitable]

For how hated I've been, I've been civil for the overwhelming majority of my posts and even Reploid Productions admitted this in 1 of her warnings. Some things can't be sugar coated because they are inherently ugly. Human domestication, oppression and cognitive genocide are ugly things to me. Sometimes criticism has to be scathing to illustrate the gravity of what is being critiqued. Anyone in their right would agree I didn't deserve such harsh treatment for what I said, especially when I have a record of trying to adapt to NS rules.

You'd be surprised how regularly scathing criticism on this website is phrased in a way that doesn't break the rules. Shocking, I'm sure, but it's all over the place. Especially in NSG.

I've seen mods dismiss people calling Catholics "irrational" and the majority of posts against me fall into the category of "scathing". I used the terms "domesticated" and "degenerated", hardly anything to write HR about, especially when these terms actually have a legitimate biological foundation for being used. The issue is that I'm held to a different standard, 1 that doesn't reflect equality as a poster.