[R]Flaming in Made the top 100 with no puppets thread

[Wymondham]

Yes, I had a few of those too from Mike, either for interfering with his transfers or once just because he found out after the fact I had bought a card he wanted. I think he just sends them to the smaller players; it’s classic bully mentality. Only interested in threatening people he feels he can push around. Which is pretty comical to see in something as low stakes as an Internet card game. I mean, he has no power to do anything to anyone here. So it’s best to just have a chuckle at it and go on about your business. Worst he can do is devalue your cards. Not exactly major in the grand scheme of things.

Most of the other puppeteers are pretty decent folks, though.

Wait, this loser actually sent you a threat?

I'm pretty new to this game, however it is clear that this person is quite clearly not all there (to put it in the kindest way). It is clear he has a high degree of autism and is a bit of a social misfit.

In my brief time playing the card aspect of this game he is the only person whom I have seen who is just downright unpleasant and makes the game less fun. A flat track bully, as has been mentioned that goes after the small players and tries to intimidate. In the first two/three days of looking at the game and how the cards played I tried a few buys/trades and it was interesting to see how he popped up in not just my auctions, but many other peoples, snipping and listing/buying multiple copies of a sale card, simply to snipe someone of .0.5 of bank. Really petty and malicious behaviour from someone who is doing it to newbies who have next to nothing when he is sat on thousands of bank himself.

The game to me is a bit of fun to kill a spare hour or so at night when I've finished work, however it is clear that to him it is more likely his entire worth and being. It's more tragic and sad than impressive - and again just shows the high levels of autisim he clearly has that he has to latch onto this to "be someone".

Out of all those I've interacted with via trading and the like, I can't say I've come across any other person who I would say is not a nice person. I'm not interested in high value cards, I just want to collect legendarys. As a rule I junk every card that isn't a legendary unless someone has a bid on it and I will sell it, even at less than face if they want it - unless I see Mikes name on the bid list. I would junk a card offering 10x its value from him rather than selling it him since he is so petty and nasty in how he goes after other people. I wish there was a method that simply allowed you to block a user from buying or selling you a card as that would greatly improve the game by stopping him from ruining every interaction.

I'd like to say I am shocked that this loser has actually gone to the levels of sending threats out to people, but sadly it doesn't surprise me. Theres always one that ruins it for everyone else due to their desire to be seen as a "Mr Big" or an important player. He is neither. Just a loser.

Emphasis mine - I've probably missed a few bits as well

[New Kowloon Bay]

I expect you to apologise for that low remark.

I stand by my comment.

This loser is THREATENING people over a game. Let that sink in.

Feels like he's doubling down.

[The Shaymen]

I stand by my comment.

This loser is THREATENING people over a game. Let that sink in.

Feels like he's doubling down.

I'm standing up against a BULLY who is THREATENING people over a game. ,

If people think that is acceptable, then remove my posts and allow the bully to continue. Maybe if people stood up to people sending THREATS to others as quick as they wish to be offended over words on these forums this game would be more welcoming.

[New Kowloon Bay]

Feels like he's doubling down.

I'm standing up against a BULLY who is THREATENING people over a game. ,

If people think that is acceptable, then remove my posts and allow the bully to continue. Maybe if people stood up to people sending THREATS to others as quick as they wish to be offended over words on these forums this game would be more welcoming.

Mikeswill, as despicable as you think he is, may have threatened someone. That may be true.

But he threatens people in the realm of telegrams, which should be solved via GHR. I personally don't think much can be done other than filing a GHR. I suppose you could discuss about it in forums, but behaviours not in forums are most likely solved in GHRs.

Also, we have not criticized you about you standing up to a "bully".

It's just that it's not right to call him autistic, with saying he's "not all there" making people feel as if it's an indirect criticism of autistic people being not right.

[The Shaymen]

It's just that it's not right to call him autistic, with saying he's "not all there" making people feel as if it's an indirect criticism of autistic people being not right.

It is not a direct criticism of autistic people - maybe it is something lost in translation (I can re-write it probably more clearly in German if you wish). It was two separate sentences meant to express two different views. I am saying his behaviour has clear autistic patterns - like in his compulsive and obsessive nature. At no point have I said those patterns or being autistic makes him or anyone else a bad person, although that is clearly how many have inferred it.

I deal with the impact that bullying has on people on a daily basis - it is not a nice thing. To then learn this person is a TEACHER - and he is threatening people, well that really is the lowest of the low, considering many players of this game may well be children.

However yeah, go after the person calling out someone for making threats and bullying others, instead of looking at the root cause of the problem

[Mikeswill]

According to my information I have not sent The Shaymen a telegram in the 67 days they have been actively trading, thus I am unaware of any alleged threats The Shaymen is speaking to.

I am guilty of being aggressive in the past in the card game to include telegrams I may have thought were role-playing whereas others may have taken a different view. I have curtailed that practice. It is never my intention to dissuade them from having an enjoyable experience on this site.

I recognize that individuals have different perspectives on life and I respect opposing points of view. However, degrading individuals due to their differences from others in an attempt to slander me is deplorable. As an above nation said, if you must call me a loser, go ahead, but to portray autism in the manner you have chosen is indicative of a character lacking understanding.

[New Kowloon Bay]

However yeah, go after the person calling out someone for making threats and bullying others, instead of looking at the root cause of the problem

I seem to have already guven you some pointers, like filing a GHR and perhaps starting a forum discussion thread.

Perhaps you could do that?

[The Shaymen]

I seem to have already guven you some pointers, like filing a GHR and perhaps starting a forum discussion thread.

Perhaps you could do that?

I have no idea what a GHR is - I'm very casual at this game.

As for starting a discussion thread, I find that to be moot as it is clear that the general view is that his behaviour of threatening people and making people feel unwelcome isn't something that people care about. I've been jumped on due to poor wording and assumptions of what I meant, yet the person that threatens people is seen as some sort of saint

It's a game, a little bit of fun. Yet people are being threatened over it and no one thinks a line is crossed. Again, the mind boggles.

[Wymondham]

I seem to have already guven you some pointers, like filing a GHR and perhaps starting a forum discussion thread.

Perhaps you could do that?

I have no idea what a GHR is - I'm very casual at this game.

As for starting a discussion thread, I find that to be moot as it is clear that the general view is that his behaviour of threatening people and making people feel unwelcome isn't something that people care about. I've been jumped on due to poor wording and assumptions of what I meant, yet the person that threatens people is seen as some sort of saint

It's a game, a little bit of fun. Yet people are being threatened over it and no one thinks a line is crossed. Again, the mind boggles.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=help - where to file a GHR which is where anything gameside like TGs should be reported (if you click on the TG timestamp you will see a little link named "report" in the bottom right of the TG which will take you where you need to go).

Edit: Just wanna emphasise that all I was doing here was providing additional information as an individual had queried how to raise a gameside complaint and that I've not done anything except that since my initial report.

[New Kowloon Bay]

I seem to have already guven you some pointers, like filing a GHR and perhaps starting a forum discussion thread.

Perhaps you could do that?

I have no idea what a GHR is - I'm very casual at this game.

As for starting a discussion thread, I find that to be moot as it is clear that the general view is that his behaviour of threatening people and making people feel unwelcome isn't something that people care about. I've been jumped on due to poor wording and assumptions of what I meant, yet the person that threatens people is seen as some sort of saint

It's a game, a little bit of fun. Yet people are being threatened over it and no one thinks a line is crossed. Again, the mind boggles.

A GHR is a report for gameside stuff, like region RMB and telegram flaming/bad stuff.

I mean, I will say that if there was a major problem with Mikeswill and his threatening actions, he would have been reported. This might not have happened if they were new players who didn't know what a GHR was, but I would assume there would be at least a little bit of activity. But I suppose I can digress.

For your "jumped on due to poor wording and assumptions", it's because many feel like your portrayal of autism is deplorable and lacks true knowledge of autism.

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[The Shaymen]

I have no idea what a GHR is - I'm very casual at this game.

As for starting a discussion thread, I find that to be moot as it is clear that the general view is that his behaviour of threatening people and making people feel unwelcome isn't something that people care about. I've been jumped on due to poor wording and assumptions of what I meant, yet the person that threatens people is seen as some sort of saint

It's a game, a little bit of fun. Yet people are being threatened over it and no one thinks a line is crossed. Again, the mind boggles.

A GHR is a report for gameside stuff, like region RMB and telegram flaming/bad stuff.

I mean, I will say that if there was a major problem with Mikeswill and his threatening actions, he would have been reported. This might not have happened if they were new players who didn't know what a GHR was, but I would assume there would be at least a little bit of activity. But I suppose I can digress.

For your "jumped on due to poor wording and assumptions", it's because many feel like your portrayal of autism is deplorable and lacks true knowledge of autism.

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Well clearly we are not going to find common ground on which we both agree. It feels like more people want to find offence in my post than in someone sending threats out and acting in a hostile way.

My wording may not be perfect, and it seems because of that it has been used to paint me as the bad one. My intent was not to cause offence, which clearly it has, however I am perplexed at how someone who is obviously making this game less fun for others, and is aggressive and hostile in his actions is given free reign to continue and every person seems scared to call him out for his poor behaviour.

Instead those that call his behaviour out have the words they use cut up and inferred and assumed.

[New Kowloon Bay]

A GHR is a report for gameside stuff, like region RMB and telegram flaming/bad stuff.

I mean, I will say that if there was a major problem with Mikeswill and his threatening actions, he would have been reported. This might not have happened if they were new players who didn't know what a GHR was, but I would assume there would be at least a little bit of activity. But I suppose I can digress.

For your "jumped on due to poor wording and assumptions", it's because many feel like your portrayal of autism is deplorable and lacks true knowledge of autism.

As

Well clearly we are not going to find common ground on which we both agree. It feels like more people want to find offence in my post than in someone sending threats out and acting in a hostile way.

My wording may not be perfect, and it seems because of that it has been used to paint me as the bad one. My intent was not to cause offence, which clearly it has, however I am perplexed at how someone who is obviously making this game less fun for others, and is aggressive and hostile in his actions is given free reign to continue and every person seems scared to call him out for his poor behaviour.

Instead those that call his behaviour out have the words they use cut up and inferred and assumed.

I'd be fine with real examples of Mikeswill's threatening telegram behaviour to be cut up and examined.

But we currently do not have any evidence to such. Not saying there isn't, we just currently do not have one. I'd be fine if you could provide an example. So far, what I have seen from your original post about what Mikeswill has done, " snipping and listing/buying multiple copies of a sale card, simply to snipe someone of .0.5 of bank", I feel is just basic behaviour of quite a number of people in the cards community.

According to Mikeswill, he has also taken responsibility for several of his more threatening actions such as TGing people, and has reduced that behaviour.

[The Shaymen]

I'd be fine with real examples of Mikeswill's threatening telegram behaviour to be cut up and examined.

But we currently do not have any evidence to such. Not saying there isn't, we just currently do not have one. I'd be fine if you could provide an example. So far, what I have seen from your original post about what Mikeswill has done, " snipping and listing/buying multiple copies of a sale card, simply to snipe someone of .0.5 of bank", I feel is just basic behaviour of quite a number of people in the cards community.

According to Mikeswill, he has also taken responsibility for several of his more threatening actions such as TGing people, and has reduced that behaviour.

You could go and read the reported post where two users talk about the threateining messages they got - and you could also read where the one doing it laughs and justifies his behaviour.

Is reducing hostile and threatening behaviour a suitable cause then? Like, if I was to rob 100 shops this year, but only rob 10 next year, that is OK? I've reduced that behaviour so we can excuse it?

Ultimately it boils down to someone (Who claims to be a teacher) acting in an aggressive and compulsive behaviour in game. While it is not against the game or even the ethos of it, it is unwelcoming and not nice. However that person sending THREATS - that is surely a line that is crossed to any sane person. To laugh it off and to strawman against people who speak out against it (For example, saying my post is offensive to discredit its content and to shy away from what he has done) to me, well that is very poor form.

This game is supposed to be a bit of fun. Imagine how fun it is for someone new to the game seeing every action they do get sniped by someone, then getting THREATS off them. The first part (sniping) is unwelcoming but is deemed part of what cards is, however, who honestly thinks sending threatening messages to other people is ever OK? When is that ever acceptable?

Alas, we seem to be going around in circles and it appears the majority side with the person making threats, so theres not much more to be said on the issue.

If someone wants to edit or remove my postings as they think my wording is wrong or too harsh, then fine. My intention was not to cause offence in what I put, but how I write is also not so clear all the time. However, with all the editing or deleting of my words can be done, the root problem of that users behaviour still remains.

Bullying is a despicable act. Done by the lowest of the low. This is what this loser is doing - he is bullying others and trying to intimidate and threaten them. People with good morals will stand up and speak out against this disgusting behaviour. The weak will stay quiet and say nothing, the scared will defend his actions.

[Hustlertwo]

Well clearly we are not going to find common ground on which we both agree. It feels like more people want to find offence in my post than in someone sending threats out and acting in a hostile way.

My wording may not be perfect, and it seems because of that it has been used to paint me as the bad one. My intent was not to cause offence, which clearly it has, however I am perplexed at how someone who is obviously making this game less fun for others, and is aggressive and hostile in his actions is given free reign to continue and every person seems scared to call him out for his poor behaviour.

Instead those that call his behaviour out have the words they use cut up and inferred and assumed.

I'd be fine with real examples of Mikeswill's threatening telegram behaviour to be cut up and examined.

But we currently do not have any evidence to such. Not saying there isn't, we just currently do not have one. I'd be fine if you could provide an example. So far, what I have seen from your original post about what Mikeswill has done, " snipping and listing/buying multiple copies of a sale card, simply to snipe someone of .0.5 of bank", I feel is just basic behaviour of quite a number of people in the cards community.

According to Mikeswill, he has also taken responsibility for several of his more threatening actions such as TGing people, and has reduced that behaviour.

He took responsibility? That's news. All I've heard is him claiming they were 'roleplaying messages' (which is absurd and clearly false, given he doesn't know any of these people from Adam). It 's a poor and transparent attempt to say 'I was just kidding', which isn't really a license to ill. He's never apologized to anyone involved that I have heard. So pretty loose definition of taking responsibility there, Chief.

I'd be glad to provide the telegrams I had, but my box long ago pushed them out. I didn't consider them worth saving because I thought it was an isolated thing for me in particular, and wasn't aware it was a pattern of behavior until others spoke out in my thread about having received similarly jerkish messages from Mike.

As for the GHR, new players definitely don't know what that is. So to assume he didn't do it because he wasn't reported is an erroneous assumption. I can't speak for others, but for my part I didn't do it because I assumed it was within the range of acceptable behavior here, at least according to the rules and not, like, common decency. But if I'd wanted to, I would not have had a clue how to go about it.

[Mikeswill]

The record will show that the last telegram I ever sent to Hustlertwo (who began the complaint) was 23 days ago.
Since that time we have been in a number of trades without any interaction.

Whereas I do not agree with the initial depiction of my trade behaviors, I have taken into consideration the difference in point of view and altered my engagements since that time. I have learned the lesson that the message did not fit the intent in the past.

[Hustlertwo]

The record will show that the last telegram I ever sent to Hustlertwo (who began the complaint) was 23 days ago.
Since that time we have been in a number of trades without any interaction.

Whereas I do not agree with the initial depiction of my trade behaviors, I have taken into consideration the difference in point of view and altered my engagements since that time. I have learned the lesson that the message did not fit the intent in the past.

I don't know what's funnier: that taking responsibility is apparently saying "I did nothing wrong, but I won't do the thing that wasn't wrong anymore", or that, by online standards, that's still kind of a win. At least that'll hopefully spare some future newbies a bit of grief. Good that you finally remembered a childhood lesson you clearly lost along the way: if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all. I have enjoyed the silence, Mike, and I hope you do as well.

[The Shaymen]

I don't know what's funnier: that taking responsibility is apparently saying "I did nothing wrong, but I won't do the thing that wasn't wrong anymore", or that, by online standards, that's still kind of a win. At least that'll hopefully spare some future newbies a bit of grief. Good that you finally remembered a childhood lesson you clearly lost along the way: if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all. I have enjoyed the silence, Mike, and I hope you do as well.

It's an absolute joke.

"I've not threatened anyone"
"I only did it as a joke"
"I never did it, but having seen the feedback I haven't done it recently"
"I did it in the past, but haven't done it recently, but even though I've done it before, I won't do it again, even though I never did it"

A BULLY pure and simple. Picks on those he thinks won't stand up to him.

There should be a ZERO TOLERANCE to those that are making actual THREATS to people. The moment you threaten someone you have gone way past any acceptable line - honestly, how can someone remain part of the game when they are threatening people?

It is a crime, he has broken the law, yet people want to ignore this fact. It is scummy behaviour at best - malicious and nasty at worse. How many people have been turned away from this game due to his actions - and possibly how many people have ended up afraid because of what he has done? How on earth is ANYONE thinking this is acceptable from him?

Again - someone who is claiming to be a teacher is sending THREATS out to random strangers - some who could very well be minors - and no one cares?

[Mikeswill]

Once again, there is no record of me ever sending The Shaymen a TG.
There is a record from 36 days ago when I dropped him on a Leg trade.
Maybe he holds a grudge against me for paying more on a trade.
I do not know because I do not know this person.

This is in moderation for The Shaymen's characterization of autism.
Every allegation from The Shaymen is at best hearsay, at worse a fabrication.
This whole stream is attacks upon my game character without any proof.
At times it has decayed into attacks on my personal character.
It seems to me at this point, that I am the one being bullied.

[Hustlertwo]

Once again, there is no record of me ever sending The Shaymen a TG.
There is a record from 36 days ago when I dropped him on a Leg trade.
Maybe he holds a grudge against me for paying more on a trade.
I do not know because I do not know this person.

This is in moderation for The Shaymen's characterization of autism.
Every allegation from The Shaymen is at best hearsay, at worse a fabrication.
This whole stream is attacks upon my game character without any proof.
At times it has decayed into attacks on my personal character.
It seems to me at this point, that I am the one being bullied.

So now your stance is that you never bullied anyone, but are in fact being bullied, because there's no proof of the things you already said you did but that multiple people should not have been bothered by because it was part of you playing make believe without their knowledge or consent? Is that the long and the short of your rather dizzying position here, that you are working to correct behaviors that you never had in the first place? Mike, you may not like me but I still wish you'd take my advice: quit while you're behind. There's no way out of the hole by continuing to dig.

[The Shaymen]

And there we have it - strawmanning at its finest.

When the bully gets called out, he claims he is the victim

[Sedgistan]

The Shaymen *** 1 day forumban for repeated flaming and flamebaiting ***. When you return from your ban, read the rules, as your behaviour is not in compliance with them.

Hustlertwo *** warned for spamming in Moderation ***. This is a report thread. None of what you have posted here is relevant to the reported posts, or helpful. Read this.

If anyone believes they have been sent telegrams that violate the rules, report them via GHR.