Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:34 pmSedgistan wrote:I suspect there's precious few legitimate actors who would want to put the substantial effort in to rehabilitate any of those brands -- I stand by my assessment that DEN are remembered as "the most notorious group of cheaters in NS history" -- which means you'd get the bad actors trying to do so. Does the invader community want teenage edgelords and the lurking remnants of TBR-DEN reviving the group -- what good comes of that?
Well said. The suggestion by Flanderlion to give it back to someone like Of Crazed shows we're not even close to approaching the idea of a DEN revival as responsibly as we should. Of Crazed was always more offended that DEN was caught than anything else, and constantly argued in bad faith regarding DEN's involvement in Predator. "94 Block knows how to respect my memory" is a real quote by them, post-Predator, post-Grand Central, post-"NSGP knowing Block was no good". Enough said.
Other old DEN heads, pre-TBR? They joined the revival of DEN by Gest and were active in the organization in its first few months. I remember how cool it felt in that Skype group to be among all the old raiders and hear their stories. Look at the Predator punishments, and you'll see Nordic Arbor on the list. Nordic Arbor was one of the few old heads that didn't go inactive by the time the Predator investigation came around.
So which pre-TBR, old DEN person do you actually give it to? How do you know which ones were aware of Predator's true nature before they went inactive, and which ones weren't? How do you know which ones returned and which ones didn't? I didn't keep a list and folks like Halcones and Gest sure aren't speaking up. How do you know you're not handling the region to someone with sympathies for the same type of invaders that fucked us over to begin with? You don't. That's the answer.
Raiders today may be boring to some people. They may not be hardcore enough to make things fun. Playing Russian roulette with the ownership of the organization that nearly ended Gameplay for all of us... that's not the solution.