Regarding Regions & Nations Glorifying Nazi Ideology

[Radicalania]

Possibly the best thing to happen to the site for decades. The only good NS Nazi is an instantly banned one.

[Portog]

How can we be proud of an environment that censors things just to protect people from things they might be offended by?

Political debate is great until we get to one predicated on what people have the right to be people. Thriving communities are great until you get to one that's built around the idea of oppressing demographics. Hatred is a learned ideology, and NationStates need not be a part of the recruitment apparatus of one that is inherently harmful to others.

So by definition we should also ban stalinists and maoists as they hate the kulaks and rich upper class

[Elegarth]

Great call team! Thank you very much!!

[The Reformed American Republic]

How can we be proud of an environment that censors things just to protect people from things they might be offended by?

There's a difference between "deleting things because people are offended" and "deleting things because they represent an ideology that did the Holocaust", I'm sure even you will agree GVH that there are perhaps, just some, minor differences there

It's actually pointless to do this, as all one has do do is replace Nazi with National Socialist (which means the same thing), unless the moderators plan to ban the latter term as well. All that occurred here was the banning of a word.

Political debate is great until we get to one predicated on what people have the right to be people. Thriving communities are great until you get to one that's built around the idea of oppressing demographics. Hatred is a learned ideology, and NationStates need not be a part of the recruitment apparatus of one that is inherently harmful to others.

So by definition we should also ban stalinists and maoists as they hate the kulaks and rich upper class

That's what I do not like about Gameplay. They go after Nazis for wanting to violate people's rights, all while showing solidarity with those who want to do something similar because they're on the left.

[Noble Titans]

I think it’s time for this step. To many people died because of this belief. Most of the fascist communities I’ve seen on NS are either toxic, praising a leader who’s name I won’t mention, or causing silly drama. The mods are trying to flush out the problem makers, and create a better environment we all can be proud of.

How can we be proud of an environment that censors things just to protect people from things they might be offended by?

Because it’s stopping people from spewing propaganda that exterminated so many people because they weren’t good enough. I mean it’s been a common theme for those communities. Causing trouble, and skewing in toxicity. I’m surprised you aren’t supportive of this change GVH.

[Alphazi]

So I see, all nation with the world Nazi are DEATED. Now bad when your just innocent.

[Portog]

How can we be proud of an environment that censors things just to protect people from things they might be offended by?

Because it’s stopping people from spewing propaganda that exterminated so many people because they weren’t good enough. I mean it’s been a common theme for those communities. Causing trouble, and skewing in toxicity. I’m surprised you aren’t supportive of this change GVH.

So lets ban those supporting the cambodian communists. Did they not massacre thousands? The best way to destroy nazisim is by confronting it, not by banning it

[Wymondham]

There's a difference between "deleting things because people are offended" and "deleting things because they represent an ideology that did the Holocaust", I'm sure even you will agree GVH that there are perhaps, just some, minor differences there

It's actually pointless to do this, as all one has do do is replace Nazi with National Socialist (which means the same thing), unless the moderators plan to ban the latter term as well. All that occurred here was the banning of a word.

So by definition we should also ban stalinists and maoists as they hate the kulaks and rich upper class

That's what I do not like about Gameplay. They go after Nazis for wanting to violate people's rights, all while showing solidarity with those who want to do something similar because they're on the left.

Considering the way that the mods have historically operated, I wouldn't be surprised if "National Socialist" was now on the banned list as well but as #notamod, I can only but speculate and it would be interesting if moderation could confirm/deny that?
Also - as someone who participates in GP (although obviously I cannot and do not support all of GP), I don't think that is an accurate characterisation in the slightest. Additionally, this is a thread about banning the word Nazi, not banning anything else so, to me at least, that is mild whataboutism

[CoraSpia]

How can we be proud of an environment that censors things just to protect people from things they might be offended by?

Because it’s stopping people from spewing propaganda that exterminated so many people because they weren’t good enough. I mean it’s been a common theme for those communities. Causing trouble, and skewing in toxicity. I’m surprised you aren’t supportive of this change GVH.

Why would I be supportive of this?

[Outer Sparta]

So I see, all nation with the world Nazi are DEATED. Now bad when your just innocent.

Read the OP. Nations with the word "nazi" will get deleted unless it's not related to Nazi Germany or promoting Nazism.

[Katganistan]

It's actually pointless to do this, as all one has do do is replace Nazi with National Socialist (which means the same thing), unless the moderators plan to ban the latter term as well. All that occurred here was the banning of a word.

Incorrect. If you slap a new paint job on it and file off the serial numbers, it's still banned.

[The Reformed American Republic]

It's actually pointless to do this, as all one has do do is replace Nazi with National Socialist (which means the same thing), unless the moderators plan to ban the latter term as well. All that occurred here was the banning of a word.

Incorrect. If you slap a new paint job on it and file off the serial numbers, it's still banned.

I said "...unless you plan to ban the latter term as well." Is that what you've done? Is "National Socialist" also a banned term?

[Anarchisticstan]

While it is good news, can deleted nations who had the Nazi name/region nazi name appeal as long as their name is changed to something appropriate?

[Qvait]

I'm really happy to see this decision. It's about time NS cleaned up the trash on this site.

[Wymondham]

While it is good news, can deleted nations who had the Nazi name/region nazi name appeal as long as their name is changed to something appropriate?

There is no way to change a nation name on NS, due to the way that backend is structured

[Reploid Productions]

Incorrect. If you slap a new paint job on it and file off the serial numbers, it's still banned.

I said "...unless you plan to ban the latter term as well." Is that what you've done? Is "National Socialist" also a banned term?

It's not on the auto-block list, but if Nazi-style nations try to use "National Socialist" as a cover while still promoting the same sort of malicious material, they'll get treated the same way.

[Anarchisticstan]

You may be right, changing names would just explode the servers and ruin Max Barry's life

[The Python]

This is great. Goodbye to one of the largest nazi regions too, such as Nazi Europa.

[Reventus Koth]

The best way to destroy nazisim is by confronting it, not by banning it

For anyone that needs to read this: an argument like this tends to pop up every time the bad actors among us are "censored" and no longer allowed to openly air their vile beliefs. It can be tempting to agree with it, to wonder if your ideals aren't actually righteous if they can't hold up in the court of public opinion over and over again.

Don't buy into it. The targets of Nazism should not have to justify their own existence time and time again in the public space. This is a solved issue in our society, and we should treat it like such. Nazis do not belong anywhere in a just world, so we should not tolerate them on this website. That's it. There's nothing more that needs to be said. Their disgusting ideology does not become any less wrong because their believers are loud and visible.

I'm glad Max Barry and whoever else calls the shots from above have made this decision, and I hope that we can see more rulings in this direction in the future. Nazis do not belong on this website full of young and impressionable players who for years have been charmed by these malevolent actors.

[The Reformed American Republic]

I said "...unless you plan to ban the latter term as well." Is that what you've done? Is "National Socialist" also a banned term?

It's not on the auto-block list, but if Nazi-style nations try to use "National Socialist" as a cover while still promoting the same sort of malicious material, they'll get treated the same way.

Understood, thanks Reppy. Can that be made more clear in the OP? I honestly thought you were just going after the word "Nazi" and going no further, which just seemed pointless to me.

[Alcala-Cordel]

Nice!

On a side note, will there be any changes to Nazi nations and regions not containing the word?

[Potemkio]

The greatest step for mankind

[Aenglaland]

Beautiful.

[Qvait]

Nice!

On a side note, will there be any changes to Nazi nations and regions not containing the word?

I already saw Farkasfalka cleared, so yes.

[Wymondham]

The best way to destroy nazisim is by confronting it, not by banning it

For anyone that needs to read this: an argument like this tends to pop up every time the bad actors among us are "censored" and no longer allowed to openly air their vile beliefs. It can be tempting to agree with it, to wonder if your ideals aren't actually righteous if they can't hold up in the court of public opinion over and over again.

Don't buy into it. The targets of Nazism should not have to justify their own existence time and time again in the public space. This is a solved issue in our society, and we should treat it like such. Nazis do not belong anywhere in a just world, so we should not tolerate them on this website. That's it. There's nothing more that needs to be said. Their disgusting ideology does not become any less wrong because their believers are loud and visible.

I'm glad Max Barry and whoever else calls the shots from above have made this decision, and I hope that we can see more rulings in this direction in the future. Nazis do not belong on this website full of young and impressionable players who for years have been charmed by these malevolent actors.

This ^
I also want to reiterate that, imo, this is a step in the right direction but by no means ought to represent the end of the road