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Postby Reploid Productions » Sat May 15, 2021 8:03 pm

Grenartia wrote:Out of curiosity, how large were those regions?

Easily 150 if not more of the regions cleared were just single-nation trophies. Type of region where somebody (in this case, primarily NSleft/Red Fleet/MT Army/Antifa/etc) founded/refounded it, locked it, and kept the founder puppet in the region and logged in once a month to maintain it. Only a tiny handful had more than that.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Sat May 15, 2021 8:11 pm

Ah, victory.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Sat May 15, 2021 8:41 pm

Reploid Productions wrote:
Grenartia wrote:Out of curiosity, how large were those regions?

Easily 150 if not more of the regions cleared were just single-nation trophies. Type of region where somebody (in this case, primarily NSleft/Red Fleet/MT Army/Antifa/etc) founded/refounded it, locked it, and kept the founder puppet in the region and logged in once a month to maintain it. Only a tiny handful had more than that.

Makes sense, as I doubt Nazis were ever a force to be reckoned with on this site. Most of the Nazis who come here are probably summer trolls who either leave after a certain amount of time or get booted from the site entirely. Saiwania is the only Nazi that was able to stay on the forum for any significant length of time.
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Postby So Pep » Sat May 15, 2021 8:59 pm

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Postby Shazbotdom » Sat May 15, 2021 9:29 pm


Seeing as you have no "freedom" here. That video wouldn't apply here, anyways. Sooo......
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Postby Katganistan » Sat May 15, 2021 9:31 pm

Shazbotdom wrote:

Seeing as you have no "freedom" here. That video wouldn't apply here, anyways. Sooo......

Ironically, George Lucas very much styled the Galactic Empire after Nazi Germany.....

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Postby Shazbotdom » Sat May 15, 2021 9:31 pm

Katganistan wrote:
Shazbotdom wrote:Seeing as you have no "freedom" here. That video wouldn't apply here, anyways. Sooo......

Ironically, George Lucas very much styled the Galactic Empire after Nazi Germany.....

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Postby Euro Asian Republics » Sat May 15, 2021 9:36 pm

While I applaud the moderating team for this, I'm also fearing that this is a step in a process meant to kick out role players in favor of gameplayers.
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Postby Reploid Productions » Sat May 15, 2021 9:38 pm

Euro Asian Republics wrote:While I applaud the moderating team for this, I'm also fearing that this is a step in a process meant to kick out role players in favor of gameplayers.

Funny enough, plenty of players have manages to roleplay evil, even fascist nations without resorting to carbon-copying Nazi Germany. Pretty sure the RP crowd will weather this just fine.
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Postby Lamoni » Sat May 15, 2021 9:47 pm

Euro Asian Republics wrote:While I applaud the moderating team for this, I'm also fearing that this is a step in a process meant to kick out role players in favor of gameplayers.


As a Roleplayer myself, I can guarantee that this move will not kick out roleplayers. Or did you think that there are no RPers on the mod staff?
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Postby Shazbotdom » Sat May 15, 2021 9:51 pm

Lamoni wrote:
Euro Asian Republics wrote:While I applaud the moderating team for this, I'm also fearing that this is a step in a process meant to kick out role players in favor of gameplayers.


As a Roleplayer myself, I can guarantee that this move will not kick out roleplayers. Or did you think that there are no RPers on the mod staff?


And here I thought you were a....


Shit. I can't think up a smartass thing.


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Postby The Free Joy State » Sat May 15, 2021 10:02 pm

A good policy, which just seems to cement the pre-existing policy against glorifying violence against RL people.

It's unfortunate for the raiders who lost their trophy regions, and for any innocent nations who got caught up (rest well, Nazi Flower Power), but I still think it will make the site a better place (with fewer enclaves of harmful sentiment) overall.
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Postby Prydania » Sat May 15, 2021 10:46 pm

Reventus Koth wrote:
Portog wrote:The best way to destroy nazisim is by confronting it, not by banning it

For anyone that needs to read this: an argument like this tends to pop up every time the bad actors among us are "censored" and no longer allowed to openly air their vile beliefs. It can be tempting to agree with it, to wonder if your ideals aren't actually righteous if they can't hold up in the court of public opinion over and over again.

Don't buy into it. The targets of Nazism should not have to justify their own existence time and time again in the public space. This is a solved issue in our society, and we should treat it like such. Nazis do not belong anywhere in a just world, so we should not tolerate them on this website. That's it. There's nothing more that needs to be said. Their disgusting ideology does not become any less wrong because their believers are loud and visible.

I'm glad Max Barry and whoever else calls the shots from above have made this decision, and I hope that we can see more rulings in this direction in the future. Nazis do not belong on this website full of young and impressionable players who for years have been charmed by these malevolent actors.

This. So much this.

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Postby Whole India » Sun May 16, 2021 12:26 am

Great decision by the mods, finally Genua is down!
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Postby Deamonopolis » Sun May 16, 2021 12:45 am

Illinois nazis, hah

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Postby Sedgistan » Sun May 16, 2021 1:17 am

Valentine Z wrote:So I hate to be that guy, then would that mean this and this would have to be updated, since the rules have changed?

We'll take a look over them.

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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Sun May 16, 2021 1:51 am

Pasong Tirad wrote:
CoraSpia wrote:How? They've just killed off a community that's been active for over a decade.

Oh no, the NAZIS are gone? How ever will we recover? Nooooooooooooooooooooooo

Now get rid of the actual Nazis in the forums as well - like, people who literally identify as Nazis and Neonazis.

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Postby Honeydewistania » Sun May 16, 2021 2:26 am

Nepleslia wrote:Yes, more censorship is definitely a step in the right direction. I wonder what’s going to be banned next - Fascist? Nationalist? Right-wing? Conservative? Anything that offends or isn’t “woke leftist progressivism”?


Yes. That would be based.
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Postby The Church of Satan » Sun May 16, 2021 2:43 am

I know it's been said like 80 times, but good job NS Staff! Finally there's gonna be less nazis that we have to tolerate. Less nazis for me to report too, which is nice. I'm sure they'll still pop up from time to time, but hopefully they'll be less inclined to spout their hatred so publicly. Pasong is correct though. Tackling the forum-side part of the problem really should be next on the list. They're far more active on the forum.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sun May 16, 2021 3:55 am

How about the Nazi's obvious next choice of making a region called something like "National Socialists of Germany"

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Postby Indo-Malaysia » Sun May 16, 2021 4:20 am

My my, the day has finally come. Jolly good show!
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Postby New Mordka » Sun May 16, 2021 4:48 am

With all this bulls**t about intolerant ideologies, you might as well ban Antifa and all of their allies as they are the most intolerant group on the site as far as I know.

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Postby Indo-Malaysia » Sun May 16, 2021 5:12 am

New Mordka wrote:With all this bulls**t about intolerant ideologies, you might as well ban Antifa and all of their allies as they are the most intolerant group on the site as far as I know.

Who are they intolerant towards?
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Postby Lauchenoiria » Sun May 16, 2021 5:22 am

I completely support this decision and thank the mods for taking this step towards making the NS community safer for people who are commonly targets of fascist ideology. There's a difference between "censoring free speech" and protecting groups from violence, nuance is needed in these discussions & this was the right move.
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