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Regarding Regions & Nations Glorifying Nazi Ideology

Postby Katganistan » Sat May 15, 2021 10:29 am

Players can no longer create regions or nations with names containing the word "nazi," and moderators will remove existing regions and nations with that word, except where it's obviously benign in nature (such as "Alliance Against Nazis").

What Hasn't Changed
Site policy has long prohibited content that appears to celebrate or endorse violence against real-life people. This includes creating nations in the image of Nazi Germany, because of its close association with the Holocaust. This remains the case, whether or not such nations or regions use the specific word "nazi."

What Has Changed & Why
(1) We've added "nazi" to the list of blocked words that cannot be used in a name when creating a nation or region. This was actually the case previously, but the word was removed from the blocklist in 2016 as some players wanted to use it in benign contexts (such as "Alliance Against Nazis"). From 2016 to now, it was not auto-blocked, but instead those nations were manually assessed by moderators. The block is returning because it led to policy violations slipping under the radar.

Additionally, many "trophy" regions have been captured over the years by gameplay groups who oppose nazi-style ideologies, and while these regions now have no malicious intent, they probably appear malicious to people who see their names and never click through to examine their details. The new word block means these regions can be allowed to expire, as opposed to the previous situation where they had to be held indefinitely to prevent another player from refounding them.

(2) When determining whether a nation or region violates site policy, we now judge names on their own, regardless of context. This is a change because previously we've looked at the entire package of a nation or region to judge its name in context with its flag and other custom fields. The problem with this practice is that moderators primarily examine nations and regions when they are first created, and so sometimes nations or regions pass muster at first, then later, away from moderator scrutiny, adopt a more malicious context via flags, slogans, and other custom fields.

Summary

It is no longer possible to create or revive a nation or region with a name that contains "nazi."
Existing nations and regions with names containing "nazi" will be removed by moderators unless those names are, by themselves, clearly not an attempt to evoke Nazi Germany.
If an existing nation/region's name contains "nazi" in a clearly non-malicious way, it will not be removed, but if it ceases to exist through inactivity, it cannot be restored.
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Postby Alfonzo » Sat May 15, 2021 10:40 am

Great decision by moderators moving forward. It is a small step into the right direction
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Postby Sedgistan » Sat May 15, 2021 10:41 am

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Postby Alphazi » Sat May 15, 2021 10:43 am

It is ok if NS is more Like a Censored political game, but I feel like the word “Nazi” isn’t itself endorsing violence or violating the rules, it’s how the word is being abused to make context that violates site and violence rules.
I feel like censoring nations with the word nazis is too extreme, maybe just make the current nazi policy more harsh and clear would be better.
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Postby Shazbotdom » Sat May 15, 2021 10:46 am

Alphazi wrote:It is ok if NS is more Like a Censored political game, but I feel like the word “Nazi” isn’t itself endorsing violence or violating the rules, it’s how the word is being abused to make context that violates site and violence rules.
I feel like censoring nations with the word nazis is too extreme, maybe just make the current nazi policy more harsh and clear would be better.

Except this isn't a "we're asking the community about it", it's more of a "this is how it is now, just make a nation that doesn't violate this rule".
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Postby Nepleslia » Sat May 15, 2021 10:47 am

Alphazi wrote:It is ok if NS is more Like a Censored political game, but I feel like the word “Nazi” isn’t itself endorsing violence or violating the rules, it’s how the word is being abused to make context that violates site and violence rules.
I feel like censoring nations with the word nazis is too extreme, maybe just make the current nazi policy more harsh and clear would be better.

Agreed wholeheartedly, though I doubt the mods are going to change their minds - because everyone has to “bash the fash” wherever, whenever, and however possible, right?

Alfonzo wrote:Great decision by moderators moving forward. It is a small step into the right direction

Yes, more censorship is definitely a step in the right direction. I wonder what’s going to be banned next - Fascist? Nationalist? Right-wing? Conservative? Anything that offends or isn’t “woke leftist progressivism”?
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Postby Shazbotdom » Sat May 15, 2021 10:49 am

Nepleslia wrote:
Alphazi wrote:It is ok if NS is more Like a Censored political game, but I feel like the word “Nazi” isn’t itself endorsing violence or violating the rules, it’s how the word is being abused to make context that violates site and violence rules.
I feel like censoring nations with the word nazis is too extreme, maybe just make the current nazi policy more harsh and clear would be better.

Agreed wholeheartedly, though I doubt the mods are going to change their minds - because everyone has to “bash the fash” wherever, whenever, and however possible, right?

Alfonzo wrote:Great decision by moderators moving forward. It is a small step into the right direction

Yes, more censorship is definitely a step in the right direction. I wonder what’s going to be banned next - Fascist? Nationalist? Right-wing? Conservative? Anything that offends or isn’t “woke leftist progressivism”?

Oh hush. This isn't a "left-wing woke" thing. This is most likely a "We have seen 'Nazi' abused too much and don't want to deal with the endless reports and GHR's we keep getting so we are nipping this in the bud" sort of situation.
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Postby The Nation of the People of the Nation » Sat May 15, 2021 10:51 am

Nothing to say but thanks.

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Postby Vippertooth33 » Sat May 15, 2021 10:52 am

This is the best thing that has happened to this site, well done moderation team :clap:

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Postby Refuge Isle » Sat May 15, 2021 10:52 am

Delighted to see this change.

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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Sat May 15, 2021 10:57 am

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Postby Drew Durrnil » Sat May 15, 2021 11:02 am

Since Imperial Kaiserreich Germany, a Second Reich-based nation, was DEAT'd, I'm just wondering if this moratorium covers 2nd Reich-based nations/regions?
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Postby Reploid Productions » Sat May 15, 2021 11:04 am

Drew Durrnil wrote:Since Imperial Kaiserreich Germany, a Second Reich-based nation, was DEAT'd, I'm just wondering if this moratorium covers 2nd Reich-based nations/regions?

If it's being used as a flimsy cover for "Actually Nazis, lol!", yeah. That's one of those "Name + fields + additional context like RMB/forum behavior" type cases.
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Postby CoraSpia » Sat May 15, 2021 11:04 am

What problem does this rule change solve?
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Postby Reploid Productions » Sat May 15, 2021 11:05 am

CoraSpia wrote:What problem does this rule change solve?

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Postby Jar Wattinree » Sat May 15, 2021 11:06 am

I assume Nazi Flower Power won't be revived any time soon?

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Postby Drew Durrnil » Sat May 15, 2021 11:07 am

Reploid Productions wrote:
Drew Durrnil wrote:Since Imperial Kaiserreich Germany, a Second Reich-based nation, was DEAT'd, I'm just wondering if this moratorium covers 2nd Reich-based nations/regions?

If it's being used as a flimsy cover for "Actually Nazis, lol!", yeah. That's one of those "Name + fields + additional context like RMB/forum behavior" type cases.

from what i've seen from this nation, it's not a nazi-based nation in any way.
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Postby Xoriet » Sat May 15, 2021 11:08 am

Thank you Mods for this. It is a huge step forward. :hug:
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Postby Giovanniland » Sat May 15, 2021 11:08 am

Thank you for making this decision, I am glad to see this change happen and fully support it.
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Postby CoraSpia » Sat May 15, 2021 11:09 am

Xoriet wrote:Thank you Mods for this. It is a huge step forward. :hug:

How? They've just killed off a community that's been active for over a decade.
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Postby Katganistan » Sat May 15, 2021 11:14 am

Drew Durrnil wrote:
Reploid Productions wrote:If it's being used as a flimsy cover for "Actually Nazis, lol!", yeah. That's one of those "Name + fields + additional context like RMB/forum behavior" type cases.

from what i've seen from this nation, it's not a nazi-based nation in any way.


With all due respect, we have a bit more information than you at our disposal.

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Postby Wymondham » Sat May 15, 2021 11:16 am

This is an excellent decision and, while only a step, still a step in the right direction!
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Postby The Atlae Isles » Sat May 15, 2021 11:17 am

This is spectacular news. I'm glad that a stand has been taken and we've reached a new standard about what is and what isn't allowed on this site.
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