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[Appeal] My recent 3 day ban

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Saiwania
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[Appeal] My recent 3 day ban

Postby Saiwania » Thu May 06, 2021 7:18 am

Recently, I was banned for 3 days for these posts in question:

viewtopic.php?p=38611813#p38611813 and
viewtopic.php?p=38611882#p38611882

Not only do I admit to no fault, but I'm standing by my two posts as being non-actionable. No rules were violated from what I can tell because nothing in the text of either was crossing any line. If there is nothing wrong with the first post, there is nothing wrong with the second either, if the second has nothing to do with the first post. I want this sanction to not stand if it is found that I've not broken any rule.

At worst, this is a situation where my intent was taken the wrong way or out of context, at a time when the back and forth I was having with some players was fast paced and tense. Rather, I was explaining what I viewed as more likely to happen in real life, if the evidence against a parent was too weak to nonexistent.

Fact is, NVI probably jumped the gun in banning me, because in their zeal to use their sanctioning abilities, they failed to ensure that either post was breaking any rules beyond any reasonable doubt. Indeed, nothing in either post is outright telling anyone to break the law. Just as there is no mention of child abuse in the text of either post whatsoever. Neutraligon saw the posts and didn't bat an eye towards either and neither were there any user reports complaining about my posting at the time it occured. Only NVI alone, jumped to the conclusion that they did.

If I'm to understand NVI's position correctly, they'd take any endorsement of corporal punishment for the purposes of discipline as being equivalent to endorsing child abuse when by the standards of their own country of residence (Philippines) it is perfectly legal in a home setting under their nation's legal system (The Family Code 1987), just as it is common knowledge that corporal punishment in a home setting is legal in the US as well (depending on the state/locality).

In addition, it should be noted that there is nothing illegal about lobbying for a person's termination or demotion from any job either, if there is no extortion involved or if none can be proven. It is arguably more common and accepted now with the rise of cancel culture being the new normal.
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Postby Untecna » Thu May 06, 2021 7:22 am

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Sedgistan
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Postby Sedgistan » Thu May 06, 2021 8:06 am

It'll be discussed. Bear with us for a few days.

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Birchland and the NAF
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Postby Birchland and the NAF » Thu May 06, 2021 3:09 pm

Saiwania wrote:Recently, I was banned for 3 days for these posts in question:

viewtopic.php?p=38611813#p38611813 and
viewtopic.php?p=38611882#p38611882

Not only do I admit to no fault, but I'm standing by my two posts as being non-actionable. No rules were violated from what I can tell because nothing in the text of either was crossing any line. If there is nothing wrong with the first post, there is nothing wrong with the second either, if the second has nothing to do with the first post. I want this sanction to not stand if it is found that I've not broken any rule.

At worst, this is a situation where my intent was taken the wrong way or out of context, at a time when the back and forth I was having with some players was fast paced and tense. Rather, I was explaining what I viewed as more likely to happen in real life, if the evidence against a parent was too weak to nonexistent.

Fact is, NVI probably jumped the gun in banning me, because in their zeal to use their sanctioning abilities, they failed to ensure that either post was breaking any rules beyond any reasonable doubt. Indeed, nothing in either post is outright telling anyone to break the law. Just as there is no mention of child abuse in the text of either post whatsoever. Neutraligon saw the posts and didn't bat an eye towards either and neither were there any user reports complaining about my posting at the time it occured. Only NVI alone, jumped to the conclusion that they did.

If I'm to understand NVI's position correctly, they'd take any endorsement of corporal punishment for the purposes of discipline as being equivalent to endorsing child abuse when by the standards of their own country of residence (Philippines) it is perfectly legal in a home setting under their nation's legal system (The Family Code 1987), just as it is common knowledge that corporal punishment in a home setting is legal in the US as well (depending on the state/locality).

In addition, it should be noted that there is nothing illegal about lobbying for a person's termination or demotion from any job either, if there is no extortion involved or if none can be proven. It is arguably more common and accepted now with the rise of cancel culture being the new normal.

I agree, I see nothing rulebreaking or endorsing “illegal activity” in either post. As far as I’m aware, NVI is a new mod and extremely trigger-happy as such.
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Postby Neutraligon » Thu May 06, 2021 3:23 pm

Birchland and the NAF wrote:
Saiwania wrote:Recently, I was banned for 3 days for these posts in question:

viewtopic.php?p=38611813#p38611813 and
viewtopic.php?p=38611882#p38611882

Not only do I admit to no fault, but I'm standing by my two posts as being non-actionable. No rules were violated from what I can tell because nothing in the text of either was crossing any line. If there is nothing wrong with the first post, there is nothing wrong with the second either, if the second has nothing to do with the first post. I want this sanction to not stand if it is found that I've not broken any rule.

At worst, this is a situation where my intent was taken the wrong way or out of context, at a time when the back and forth I was having with some players was fast paced and tense. Rather, I was explaining what I viewed as more likely to happen in real life, if the evidence against a parent was too weak to nonexistent.

Fact is, NVI probably jumped the gun in banning me, because in their zeal to use their sanctioning abilities, they failed to ensure that either post was breaking any rules beyond any reasonable doubt. Indeed, nothing in either post is outright telling anyone to break the law. Just as there is no mention of child abuse in the text of either post whatsoever. Neutraligon saw the posts and didn't bat an eye towards either and neither were there any user reports complaining about my posting at the time it occured. Only NVI alone, jumped to the conclusion that they did.

If I'm to understand NVI's position correctly, they'd take any endorsement of corporal punishment for the purposes of discipline as being equivalent to endorsing child abuse when by the standards of their own country of residence (Philippines) it is perfectly legal in a home setting under their nation's legal system (The Family Code 1987), just as it is common knowledge that corporal punishment in a home setting is legal in the US as well (depending on the state/locality).

In addition, it should be noted that there is nothing illegal about lobbying for a person's termination or demotion from any job either, if there is no extortion involved or if none can be proven. It is arguably more common and accepted now with the rise of cancel culture being the new normal.

I agree, I see nothing rulebreaking or endorsing “illegal activity” in either post. As far as I’m aware, NVI is a new mod and extremely trigger-happy as such.


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Sedgistan
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Postby Sedgistan » Sun May 09, 2021 5:07 am

Following discussion amongst the team, the appeal has been granted, and the ban removed from your record.


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