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Discussion: Moderators Paid $ - Poster Fees $

Postby Greater Miami Shores » Mon May 03, 2021 7:34 am

Moderators Paid $ - Poster Fees $. I have always wanted to discuss this, during the old Co UK Forum Days, the Moderators tried to get Payed $ for their work. There was a discussion that Posters should Pay $ a monthly fee to Participate and help the Moderators get Payed $ for their work? I strongly supported both options with my Posts on the Moderators Forum. Your feelings about the Moderators should not count on your Posts. At times I have strongly disagreed with their decisions and at times I have strongly agreed with their decisions, Sedgistan is right I deserved my one day ban for Spam, adding non related comments to my thank you post response on the Moderators Forum, I hope I have learned my lesson this time the hard way, Sedgistan did the right thing and I thank him for it. The Moderators do a lot of work as Moderators and are understaffed and they should be Payed $ for their work? The commercials that appear on NS that Pay $ for the site can Pay $ for their work?

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Postby Giovenith » Mon May 03, 2021 7:37 am

We all accepted this position knowing that it was a volunteer gig and have no interest in being paid. Besides, the site does not make enough money to afford it even if we did. Everything you see here is running because Max and the gang want it to, not because it makes a profit.
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon May 03, 2021 7:58 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:There was a discussion that Posters should Pay $ a monthly fee to Participate [...]

Sounds like a recipe to kill NS stone cold dead. At the moment folk can use the store to contribute if they wish, but making it a condition of being here would make user numbers crash.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Mon May 03, 2021 8:37 am

Paying the mods isn't an option. Besides the vast amounts of money needed (even on minimum wage), it would be a tremendous bureaucratic headache. From insurance to taxes.
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Postby Neutraligon » Mon May 03, 2021 8:44 am

No thanks, I do not want this to turn into a job.
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Postby Alphazi » Mon May 03, 2021 8:46 am

Neutraligon wrote:No thanks, I do not want this to turn into a job.


Yes. Just looking at the mindset, true hero’s do not care about the prize of what they did. Just like charity, they enjoy what they did and contributed to something nice. To all the mods : That is specifically true and I would like to thank you for not whining about no pay all day.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Mon May 03, 2021 9:05 am

Neutraligon wrote:No thanks, I do not want this to turn into a job.

I understand your statement. But the Moderators on the old Co UK Forums did try to get Paid $ for their work, there was a discussion about it on the Moderators Forum, and I strongly supported both options with my Posts. I strongly believe you guys should get paid $ for your work. GMS - Alberto.
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Postby Neutraligon » Mon May 03, 2021 9:17 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:No thanks, I do not want this to turn into a job.

I understand your statement. But the Moderators on the old Co UK Forums did try to get Paid $ for their work, there was a discussion about it on the Moderators Forum, and I strongly supported both options with my Posts. I strongly believe you guys should get paid $ for your work. GMS - Alberto.

Like I said I do not want this to turn into a job. I can do this on my own time without having to think about money. I can do this without worrying that I will get "fired." I can do this on my own time and at my own pace and can walk away when I get sick and tired of it.
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Postby Northern Benin » Mon May 03, 2021 9:28 am

Neutraligon wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:I understand your statement. But the Moderators on the old Co UK Forums did try to get Paid $ for their work, there was a discussion about it on the Moderators Forum, and I strongly supported both options with my Posts. I strongly believe you guys should get paid $ for your work. GMS - Alberto.

Like I said I do not want this to turn into a job. I can do this on my own time without having to think about money. I can do this without worrying that I will get "fired." I can do this on my own time and at my own pace and can walk away when I get sick and tired of it.


Correct, if Mods get paid that means there are more restrictions on how much they have to be online, how to moderate and other stuff that mods want to avoid. They need freedom and they like Moderating NationStates for fun, not for money or getting “ torture “ because they don’t be online for some time,
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Postby Twilight Imperium » Mon May 03, 2021 11:04 am

If we really wanted to make money for the forum we could institute a shitposting tax. Max would be rolling in dough.

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Postby Reploid Productions » Mon May 03, 2021 11:14 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:No thanks, I do not want this to turn into a job.

I understand your statement. But the Moderators on the old Co UK Forums did try to get Paid $ for their work, there was a discussion about it on the Moderators Forum, and I strongly supported both options with my Posts. I strongly believe you guys should get paid $ for your work. GMS - Alberto.

The Nationstates moderators have never sought for modding NS to become a paid position. None of us are interested in the headaches that would come from making this a job, nor does the site make enough to pay a competitive wage. Max is also not interested in monetizing the site to the obnoxious extent that would be necessary to do so; NS has never been about making a profit.

This idea is literally dead on arrival, sorry.
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Postby Istoreya » Mon May 03, 2021 12:29 pm

While I'm grateful for the work the moderators do, making the position paid adds too many layers of complexity that do not need to exist.

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Postby Drop Your Pants » Mon May 03, 2021 12:46 pm

Reploid Productions wrote:This idea is literally dead on arrival, sorry.

But just think, you could form a union. Paid holidays, regular hours and CG would get a company coffee machine.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Mon May 03, 2021 12:52 pm

Drop Your Pants wrote:
Reploid Productions wrote:This idea is literally dead on arrival, sorry.

But just think, you could form a union. Paid holidays, regular hours and CG would get a company coffee machine.

Dude, great ideas like for real, the union can include Moderators from other Political, Social Forums, and RP Sites. having a massive lol attack on the company coffee machine, GMS Alberto.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Mon May 03, 2021 1:11 pm

Reploid Productions wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:I understand your statement. But the Moderators on the old Co UK Forums did try to get Paid $ for their work, there was a discussion about it on the Moderators Forum, and I strongly supported both options with my Posts. I strongly believe you guys should get paid $ for your work. GMS - Alberto.

The Nationstates moderators have never sought for modding NS to become a paid position. None of us are interested in the headaches that would come from making this a job, nor does the site make enough to pay a competitive wage. Max is also not interested in monetizing the site to the obnoxious extent that would be necessary to do so; NS has never been about making a profit.

This idea is literally dead on arrival, sorry.

ok I understand your posts and statements. Serious question since I don't know and you guys might know, are all Moderators of all Political, Social and RP Forum sites volunteers or are some Paid $ for their work? Thank you - GMS Alberto.
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Postby Reploid Productions » Mon May 03, 2021 1:35 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:ok I understand your posts and statements. Serious question since I don't know and you guys might know, are all Moderators of all Political, Social and RP Forum sites volunteers or are some Paid $ for their work? Thank you - GMS Alberto.

I can only speak for Nationstates, we're all volunteers. I don't know how other sites handle their moderation, though most small sites rely on volunteers. You don't typically see paid moderation until you get to really large game companies or social media sites.
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Postby Sarzonia » Mon May 03, 2021 2:36 pm

Reploid Productions wrote:The Nationstates moderators have never sought for modding NS to become a paid position. None of us are interested in the headaches that would come from making this a job, nor does the site make enough to pay a competitive wage. Max is also not interested in monetizing the site to the obnoxious extent that would be necessary to do so; NS has never been about making a profit.


I'd think there are enough headaches with being a moderator as a volunteer gig without adding the complications of making it a paid position.

That could open a whole can of worms that I could see becoming a nightmare.
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Postby Torisakia » Mon May 03, 2021 5:23 pm

On the topic of this, do any mods here take donations? I have a small loan of $50 waiting for the highest bidder. ;)
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Postby Santheres » Mon May 03, 2021 5:32 pm

If we're talking payment, this turns into a job. My current contracting fee is $150/hr if I'm being contracted for a job; for you, I'll give a 33% discount.

Otherwise, yeah, I'll do this because I like the site and can contribute exactly as much as I feel I have spare time for.

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Postby Apiary One » Mon May 03, 2021 7:13 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:Posters should Pay $ a monthly fee to Participate

I strongly disagree.
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Postby Comfed » Mon May 03, 2021 7:45 pm

A few things...
  1. It would kill the forum, because most posters won't pay for the service. A dead forum isn't good for the game.
  2. Making moderators employees would be more complicated than any value gained by mods from their theoretical wages.
  3. Mods already make billions from the "'Special GA#2 exempt' WA militias".
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Postby Katganistan » Mon May 03, 2021 8:29 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:Paying the mods isn't an option. Besides the vast amounts of money needed (even on minimum wage), it would be a tremendous bureaucratic headache. From insurance to taxes.

Can you imagine the payroll taxes of that many different countries coming into play?

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Postby Katganistan » Mon May 03, 2021 8:30 pm

Neutraligon wrote:No thanks, I do not want this to turn into a job.

I second this.

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Postby Birchland and the NAF » Mon May 03, 2021 8:51 pm

Not that I think it’s likely I’ll be picked to be one, but I reckon I’d make a pretty good mod if I do say so myself, no paycheck needed.
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Postby Lamoni » Mon May 03, 2021 8:59 pm

Sarzonia wrote:
Reploid Productions wrote:The Nationstates moderators have never sought for modding NS to become a paid position. None of us are interested in the headaches that would come from making this a job, nor does the site make enough to pay a competitive wage. Max is also not interested in monetizing the site to the obnoxious extent that would be necessary to do so; NS has never been about making a profit.


I'd think there are enough headaches with being a moderator as a volunteer gig without adding the complications of making it a paid position.

That could open a whole can of worms that I could see becoming a nightmare.


I have to agree with Sarzonia on this one. Paying the mods would kill NS, as we don't have the income to keep track of everything that that would entail, and also, we do this on a volunteer basis already.

Birchland and the NAF wrote:Not that I think it’s likely I’ll be picked to be one, but I reckon I’d make a pretty good mod if I do say so myself, no paycheck needed.


Asking to be a moderator is a good way to have your name put on the NO list. There is already an established method for people to suggest someone as a moderator.
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