by Birchland and the NAF » Sat May 01, 2021 1:16 pm
by Farnhamia » Sun May 02, 2021 2:38 pm
Birchland and the Northern Armed Front wrote:The disgusting appearance is due to native Central American ancestry. Stumpy, portly barrel-body, enormous, flat skull, bulging nose, utter lack of attractive features. And no he doesn’t believe that, I’ve listened to stuff he says. By the way, I think the alt right are mostly weaklings who believe in the legal system and think that ALL whites are the next best thing since sliced bread. Many whites, in the country at least are domesticated and lame and are no better than the equatorials.
by Birchland and the NAF » Sun May 02, 2021 2:51 pm
Farnhamia wrote:While intent is certainly a part of trolling, it is not the be-all and end-all. Unorthodox opinions are not unwelcome here but they should be expressed in a civil manner.Birchland and the Northern Armed Front wrote:The disgusting appearance is due to native Central American ancestry. Stumpy, portly barrel-body, enormous, flat skull, bulging nose, utter lack of attractive features. And no he doesn’t believe that, I’ve listened to stuff he says. By the way, I think the alt right are mostly weaklings who believe in the legal system and think that ALL whites are the next best thing since sliced bread. Many whites, in the country at least are domesticated and lame and are no better than the equatorials.
The above is not a civil post. The language is calculated to paint Central American people - all Central American people - in as bad a light as possible. That meets the definition of trolling you quoted. That and any number of the posts you put up before losing Birchland and the Northern Armed Front.
by Washington Resistance Army » Sun May 02, 2021 3:19 pm
by Nilokeras » Sun May 02, 2021 3:32 pm
Washington Resistance Army wrote:OP does actually have a point, at least under a plain reading the trolling definition does seem to be self-contradictory. If a belief is earnestly held and expressed not to anger people but to simply offer a differing point of view (even if that view is abhorrent to most people) then it cannot be trolling, that's not what the word has ever meant. But the definition used here explicitly says honest belief doesn't matter, at that point it's not a rule about trolling and more just a means of controlling conversation and kicking out certain ideological beliefs.
Flamebaiting: Posts that are made with the aim of angering someone indirectly. Not outright flame, but still liable to bring angry replies. Flame baiting is a far more subtle and covert action; it is an underhanded tactic that is designed to provoke a response from another player. It's in the same context of trolling but with flamebaiting it's just the one person. Also included under flamebaiting is malicious quote editing, changing the contents of a quoted post without showing the original text, either through color changes or strike-out.
Trolling/Baiting/Gloating: Trolling is defined as posts that are made with the aim of angering people. (like 'ALL JEWS ARE [insert vile comment here]' for example). Someone disagreeing with you does not equate to trolling. Intent is incredibly important and will be judged by the moderators to the best of their abilities. Honest belief does not excuse trolling. Disagreements are expected and conducting yourself in a civil manner is ideal. Trollbaiting is the action of making posts that attract trolls. A prime example of trollbaiting would be gloating over the results of an election.
Gloating over punishments handed out to other players is not acceptable. Another form of the offense, IGNORE gloating, is typically seen in the roleplay forums, though it can appear elsewhere. Politely informing another nation that you are henceforth using the "ignore" feature is acceptable, but repeating it in different threads or over long periods is considered gloating and will be dealt with appropriately. Other cases will be considered on an ad hoc basis.
Attempting to dehumanize ethnic or religious groups by referring to them with a lowercase letter and censoring another letter out is not allowed. Calling a group by its proper name is cool. Trolling via censoring it as if it is a profanity -- not cool. Don't do it.
by Saiwania » Sun May 02, 2021 3:38 pm
by Drop Your Pants » Sun May 02, 2021 3:48 pm
Saiwania wrote:I'd hope that any instances where I was hit with this can be retroactively lifted. Along with anyone else who requests the same.
by Kashimura » Sun May 02, 2021 5:44 pm
by Katganistan » Sun May 02, 2021 6:28 pm
by Nilokeras » Sun May 02, 2021 7:13 pm
Katganistan wrote:Flamebaiting is a subset of trolling, so of course, the definitions overlap. That's not an error.
by Birchland and the NAF » Sun May 02, 2021 7:25 pm
Katganistan wrote:Flamebaiting is a subset of trolling, so of course, the definitions overlap. That's not an error.
We're not getting rid of the rules about trolling. Literally thousands of people have used this site, and it's nowhere near the majority of posters who run afoul of the rule.
It boils down to be civil. If a minority of posters can't manage that, then it's not for the majority of posters to change their behavior.
by The Reformed American Republic » Sun May 02, 2021 7:27 pm
Nilokeras wrote:Katganistan wrote:Flamebaiting is a subset of trolling, so of course, the definitions overlap. That's not an error.
That much is not actually clear from the definitions though. Hence the suggestion of rewriting the rules to make the distinction clearer, which wouldn't substantially change what is actually being prosecuted, just make the boundaries clearer for both users and mods.
by Victorious Decepticons » Mon May 03, 2021 12:41 am
Birchland and the NAF wrote:Though you must see how that is incredibly subjective, right? I personally would consider that to be civil. Uncivil would be something like “I really hate fucking sp*cs mate.” I am not aware of any universal definition of what is and isn't civil.
Newaswa wrote:What is the greatest threat to your nation?Vallermoore wrote:The Victorious Decepticons.Bluquse wrote:Imperialist, aggressive, and genociding aliens or interdimensional beings that would most likely slaughter or enslave us
rather than meet up to have a talk. :(TurtleShroom wrote:Also, like any sane, civilized nation, we always consider the Victorious Decepticons a clear, present, and obvious threat we must respect, honor, and leave alone in all circumstances. Always fear the Victorious Decepticons.
The Huskar Social Union wrote: ... massive empires of genocidal machines.
by Birchland and the NAF » Mon May 03, 2021 8:24 pm
Victorious Decepticons wrote:Birchland and the NAF wrote:Though you must see how that is incredibly subjective, right? I personally would consider that to be civil. Uncivil would be something like “I really hate fucking sp*cs mate.” I am not aware of any universal definition of what is and isn't civil.
It's flamebaiting and/or trolling because any Central American with a shred of self-esteem would be raging at your description. You need to refrain from posting stuff that will insult entire groups of people, or even single posters. Instead, aim attacks at their arguments, behaviors, and stuff like that. Basically things that aren't fundamental to the person/people themselves.
ETA: And, be careful how you do it. No saying certain people act like [insert animal here] because those people are [race/ethnicity/nationality].
by New Jacobland » Tue May 04, 2021 3:32 am
Birchland and the NAF wrote:Victorious Decepticons wrote:It's flamebaiting and/or trolling because any Central American with a shred of self-esteem would be raging at your description. You need to refrain from posting stuff that will insult entire groups of people, or even single posters. Instead, aim attacks at their arguments, behaviors, and stuff like that. Basically things that aren't fundamental to the person/people themselves.
ETA: And, be careful how you do it. No saying certain people act like [insert animal here] because those people are [race/ethnicity/nationality].
Nobody with a shred of self-esteem rages over a forum post. I don’t even take myself too seriously, I’m a pretty easy-going fellow, let alone somebody else.
by Birchland and the NAF » Tue May 04, 2021 8:47 am
by Drop Your Pants » Tue May 04, 2021 11:03 am
by Juristonia » Tue May 04, 2021 11:27 am
Liriena wrote:Say what you will about fascists: they are remarkably consistent even after several decades of failing spectacularly elsewhere.
Ifreann wrote:Indeed, as far as I can recall only one poster has ever supported legalising bestiality, and he was fucking his cat and isn't welcome here any more, in no small part, I imagine, because he kept going on about how he was fucking his cat.
Cannot think of a name wrote:Anyway, I'm from gold country, we grow up knowing that when people jump up and down shouting "GOLD GOLD GOLD" the gold is gone and the only money to be made is in selling shovels.
And it seems to me that cryptocurrency and NFTs and such suddenly have a whooooole lot of shovel salespeople.
by The Rich Port » Tue May 04, 2021 12:39 pm
by New Vedan » Tue May 04, 2021 12:46 pm
by Sedgistan » Tue May 04, 2021 12:53 pm
New Vedan wrote:Yea the trolling rule is just something they made up do the mods can arbitrarily get rid of people they don't like. I've had 3 puppets banned already that did nothing wrong, aside from go against the progressive grain that the mods seem to follow.
by Birchland and the NAF » Tue May 04, 2021 1:45 pm
by New Vedan » Tue May 04, 2021 1:52 pm
Sedgistan wrote:New Vedan wrote:Yea the trolling rule is just something they made up do the mods can arbitrarily get rid of people they don't like. I've had 3 puppets banned already that did nothing wrong, aside from go against the progressive grain that the mods seem to follow.
You're not going to get much sympathy for the loss of "Kung-Flu", "The Slaver States of Dixieland" and alternate-Hitler nation "Adam Hilt". The problem isn't that the rules make no sense, it's that you've got no interest at all in behaving decently.
by Badassistanian » Tue May 04, 2021 1:53 pm
by Birchland and the NAF » Tue May 04, 2021 1:54 pm
Badassistanian wrote:The problem here is that some ideologies and opinions have what I can only describe as "hate and disgust of the other" as integral parts. Thes ideologies, though not banned in of themselves, will always break rules regarding flamebaiting or trolling due to their nature.
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