[R] Trolling in Israel thread

[Glorious Hong Kong]

It's name's not Israel, but rather the Zionist entity.

Trolling.

[Gangrelia]

"Stand with Israel against radical Islam", hahaha
The latter would not be the West's problem without the former.

[Punished UMN]

It's name's not Israel, but rather the Zionist entity.

Trolling.

I hope this isn't considered spamming moderation, but I feel like I can contribute some background information (though I'm sure Arch can do better than I can, but given the time of day in his time zone, he may not be available for several hours) that might be helpful.

"Zionist entity" is a political term used by many government's around the world as well as many religious religious groups (including some admittedly fringe sects of Judaism) who consider the use of "Israel" as the name for a sovereign state to be disingenuous and a misrepresentation of the state entity's identity and goals. The term is often used to distinguish the State of Israel (which is a sovereign state founded by the Zionist political movement) from the spiritual idea of Israel (the community of believers in covenant with YHWH), because of the view that the State of Israel using said title for itself is a means by which the State of Israel is attempting to blur the line between the State of Israel/Israeli political nationality and the Jewish people/Jewishness.

[Hauva]

It's name's not Israel, but rather the Zionist entity.

Trolling.

Philo-Zionist """patriots""" in a nutshell.

Deffen Urop aggenst Ayslamb!

[Sengoku Americas]

Honestly Israel is the only middle eastern country that isn’t full of terrorists. They are the only democracy that didn’t have to have America put it in place. Also they are a safe haven for Jewish people.

Trolling, seems they're suggesting all other Middle Eastern nations or their people are terroristic.

[Hauva]

Honestly Israel is the only middle eastern country that isn’t full of terrorists. They are the only democracy that didn’t have to have America put it in place. Also they are a safe haven for Jewish people.

Trolling, seems they're suggesting all other Middle Eastern nations or their people are terroristic.

Thankful this thread is now neutral.

[Glorious Hong Kong]

For the """Evangelicals""" and Trump fanboys that say the Zionist entity is Mid East's most democratic and tolerant regime:

https://ifamericansknew.org/history/rel-christians.html

Trolling. Emphasis mine.

[Farnhamia]

"Stand with Israel against radical Islam", hahaha
The latter would not be the West's problem without the former.

Do not post in report threads unless you are directly involved or have pertinent information to offer.

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Trolling.

I hope this isn't considered spamming moderation, but I feel like I can contribute some background information (though I'm sure Arch can do better than I can, but given the time of day in his time zone, he may not be available for several hours) that might be helpful.

"Zionist entity" is a political term used by many government's around the world as well as many religious religious groups (including some admittedly fringe sects of Judaism) who consider the use of "Israel" as the name for a sovereign state to be disingenuous and a misrepresentation of the state entity's identity and goals. The term is often used to distinguish the State of Israel (which is a sovereign state founded by the Zionist political movement) from the spiritual idea of Israel (the community of believers in covenant with YHWH), because of the view that the State of Israel using said title for itself is a means by which the State of Israel is attempting to blur the line between the State of Israel/Israeli political nationality and the Jewish people/Jewishness.

Good to know, thanks.

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Honestly Israel is the only middle eastern country that isn’t full of terrorists. They are the only democracy that didn’t have to have America put it in place. Also they are a safe haven for Jewish people.

Trolling, seems they're suggesting all other Middle Eastern nations or their people are terroristic.

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Trolling.

Philo-Zionist """patriots""" in a nutshell.

Deffen Urop aggenst Ayslamb!

Not really the way to defend yourself against a rules violation report.

[Farnhamia]

For the """Evangelicals""" and Trump fanboys that say the Zionist entity is Mid East's most democratic and tolerant regime:

https://ifamericansknew.org/history/rel-christians.html

Trolling. Emphasis mine.

No. See UMN's post. And I forgot your original report is also not actionable.

[Sengoku Americas]

Trolling, seems they're suggesting all other Middle Eastern nations or their people are terroristic.

viewtopic.php?p=38357611#p38357611

Thank you Farnhamia.
*Leaves vanilla latte with extra hazelnut flavouring*

[Glorious Hong Kong]

Thanks for taking a look Farn. *Leaves firecrackers*

[Sengoku Americas]

The situation appears to be heating up again with personal attacks between several users starting on page 5. A gentle reminder might prove useful to restore constructive dialogue.
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=498718&start=100

[Drew Durrnil]

The situation appears to be heating up again with personal attacks between several users starting on page 5. A gentle reminder might prove useful to restore constructive dialogue.
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=498718&start=100

Especially this post (it contains it all)!

I'll assume that "us" is America, but as a neoconservative Brit I'll chime in and interpret it as "the free world", giving my opinion: Israel is the greatest ally that we have in the Middle East, and among the greatest allies that we have in the entire world. The State of Israel works tirelessly to combat the violent and imperialistic Iranian regime's attempts to obtain nuclear warheads. Why is this significant? Because the day that Iran obtains nuclear weapons is the day that international institutions lose the rest of the little influence they have. In addition, Israeli intelligence has a clean record in combatting fascism and terrorism. When Nazi war criminals escaped justice after 1945, Mossad continued the fight and went after evil men like Adolf Eichmann. Mossad has assisted Europe and America in counter-terrorism, and unsuccessfully warned America of impending terrorism prior to 9/11. Israel is a beacon of democracy, human rights, stability, and social justice in a region plagued by chaos and persecution. It has its faults but ultimately the world is a better place with the State of Israel.

Sorry but the "Israel is our greatest ally" bit is perhaps the lamest piece of conservative nonsense ever to grace the eyes and ears of those interested in politics.

The State of Israel would be considered a terrorist state by Western standards if it were an Arab or European country shooting at children unfortunate enough to decide to throw rocks or sticks at its borders. It would also be considered a rogue state for the many failed spying operations it has conducted on "the West", as "our greatest ally". Why, it was as recently as 2019 whehMossad was caught trying to listen into Trump's phone calls. One particular incident that hits rather close to home for me, as an extended member of "the free world" is the 2004 Passport Scandal, where Mossad agents stole the passport and credentials of a disabled man and attempted to apply for jobs within the New Zealand Government to gain access information. If you don't believe the severity of it, it lead to New Zealand essentially being the first Western country to jail known Mossad agents, and diplomatic ties were cut between the two nations temporarily.

All of this is without getting into the specifics of many of the things you mentioned.

Israeli intelligence has a clean record in combatting fascism and terrorism.

Historically, perhaps. But most of the modern "fascist terrorists" that Mossad tips the US Government off about are fat, neckbeard LARPers who watch anime and posted an edgy Sonnenrad meme on their Twitter profile.

Israel is a beacon of democracy, human rights, stability, and social justice...

...and unsuccessfully warned America of impending terrorism prior to 9/11.

Is there actually evidence of this?

EDIT: I personally believe that as far as economic, cultural and military brotherhood and kinship is concerned, Australia is the United States' greatest ally.

Its kinda long though...

[The Archregimancy]

Just confirming quickly (as someone who's worked extensively in the region and has been cited in evidence) that 'Zionist Entity', while obviously objectionable to supporters of the State of Israel, is a term commonly used in political discourse in the Middle East, especially in those countries and groups that don't recognise Israel; as UMN notes, this includes some Jewish groups, though I recognise that the latter are not typically mainstream.

I think that 'Zionist Entity' falls into that category of terms that are not inherently trolling, but could become trolling if misused and/or abused, or if clearly and deliberately used to anger other posters. It will often require a judgement call.

[The Archregimancy]

The situation appears to be heating up again with personal attacks between several users starting on page 5. A gentle reminder might prove useful to restore constructive dialogue.
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=498718&start=100

Especially this post (it contains it all)!

Sorry but the "Israel is our greatest ally" bit is perhaps the lamest piece of conservative nonsense ever to grace the eyes and ears of those interested in politics.

The State of Israel would be considered a terrorist state by Western standards if it were an Arab or European country shooting at children unfortunate enough to decide to throw rocks or sticks at its borders. It would also be considered a rogue state for the many failed spying operations it has conducted on "the West", as "our greatest ally". Why, it was as recently as 2019 whehMossad was caught trying to listen into Trump's phone calls. One particular incident that hits rather close to home for me, as an extended member of "the free world" is the 2004 Passport Scandal, where Mossad agents stole the passport and credentials of a disabled man and attempted to apply for jobs within the New Zealand Government to gain access information. If you don't believe the severity of it, it lead to New Zealand essentially being the first Western country to jail known Mossad agents, and diplomatic ties were cut between the two nations temporarily.

All of this is without getting into the specifics of many of the things you mentioned.

Historically, perhaps. But most of the modern "fascist terrorists" that Mossad tips the US Government off about are fat, neckbeard LARPers who watch anime and posted an edgy Sonnenrad meme on their Twitter profile.





Is there actually evidence of this?

EDIT: I personally believe that as far as economic, cultural and military brotherhood and kinship is concerned, Australia is the United States' greatest ally.

Its kinda long though...

On this point...

I didn't think the reported post broke the rules; it's a strong criticism of Israel, but doesn't cross into trolling.

However, a subsequent post by a different player accusing Israel of being the 'pet' of the 'Great Satan' was clear trolling, and a warning has been issued:

viewtopic.php?p=38359378#p38359378

[Silvedania]

I'm not sure if this is actionable, but calling atheists non-human and murderers looks like it's crossing the line.
viewtopic.php?p=38359809#p38359809
EDIT: Also calling homosexuality a crime.

[Sengoku Americas]

Didn’t said Germans do the same thing to Ukraine? Ukraine was ravaged by both the Nazis and Soviets during the 30s and 40s, not sure what you're getting at.

The holocaust was a message from God the War against Ukraine was just atheists being atheists because we know you atheists drank the blood of Ukrainians

Justifying the Holocaust and then demeaning atheists as "blood drinkers" doesn't seem to be within site rules.

[Novokria]

The holocaust was a message from God the War against Ukraine was just atheists being atheists because we know you atheists drank the blood of Ukrainians

Justifying the Holocaust and then demeaning atheists as "blood drinkers" doesn't seem to be within site rules.

Not justifying just saying God show his Anger

[Bogi Smerti]

Pretty sure it's already been reported, but here's more of Novokria.

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And what's wrong with Atheism, might I ask?

Without Jesus Christ you people are bound to become anti-human and commits acts of murder, robbery and homosexuality

Emphasis mine.

[Silvedania]

Pretty sure it's already been reported, but here's more of Novokria.

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Without Jesus Christ you people are bound to become anti-human and commits acts of murder, robbery and homosexuality

Emphasis mine.

Yep, I reported that

[Bogi Smerti]

Pretty sure it's already been reported, but here's more of Novokria.

Emphasis mine.

Yep, I reported that

Alright, good to know.

[Visionary Union]

Didn’t said Germans do the same thing to Ukraine? Ukraine was ravaged by both the Nazis and Soviets during the 30s and 40s, not sure what you're getting at.

The holocaust was a message from God the War against Ukraine was just atheists being atheists because we know you atheists drank the blood of Ukrainians

This is highly offensive and downplays the biggest, mass organised and the the most evil genocide that ever happened.

[Cataniazaro]

There's a thread already.

[Novokria]

The holocaust was a message from God the War against Ukraine was just atheists being atheists because we know you atheists drank the blood of Ukrainians

This is highly offensive and downplays the biggest, mass organised and the the most evil genocide that ever happened.

It was terrible but God shows his anger

[Bogi Smerti]

The holocaust was a message from God the War against Ukraine was just atheists being atheists because we know you atheists drank the blood of Ukrainians

This is highly offensive and downplays the biggest, mass organised and the the most evil genocide that ever happened.

This has already been reported on the same thread. I'd recommend you move it to that thread.