[Discussion] Ban Q-Anon content?

[RiderSyl]

QAnon is not a theory. It is an extremist cult.

Well it is internationally recognized as a "theory". But call it whatever you like.

Oh god I think we found one, lads

[Picairn]

Isn't QAnon a theory that leftist, satanic pedophiles are plotting against Donald Trump?

Q-Anon is a cult that caused an insurrection, and we should not entertain its BS nonsense.

[Picairn]

Oh god I think we found one, lads

Hurry, call Reppy!

[Crabaiaia]

Well it is internationally recognized as a "theory". But call it whatever you like.

Oh god I think we found one, lads

I am not far right lads. I hate Donald Trump but just because you believe it is a cult doesn't mean it's a cult.

QAnon by far has no leader, just a set of agendas and beliefs.

[Crabaiaia]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon

[Tornado Queendom]

Referencing a previous thread here: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=493337

After the shit that happened early this month at the US Capitol (the violent attempted coup where people died) I'd like to revisit this topic. Since it's fact now a good portion of the rioters that stormed the capitol were part of the Q-Anon movement, and the rioters were led by by an organized militia of former military who believed the conspiracy theories Q-Anon craps out, coupled with the reality the Q-anon movement is used to promote domestic terrorism in the USA now along with white supremacy.. My opinion regarding Q-Anon content on this website has shifted.

I'd like to propose that all Q-Anon Content, in whatever forms it may take in be banned from this browser game as soon as possible. How that rule is implemented, I'll leave up to the moderation staff and more veteran players who know the community better than I do. I'm just reintroducing this discussion.

I don't think it's a good idea.
The point of Nationstate General is FREE SPEECH, censoring Qanon just ruins the point of NSG.

[RiderSyl]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon

The second sentence of that page mentions that it's a cult.

[Reploid Productions]

So then we leave the examination of the whys out of the debate on them and just ignore qanon exists?

I am fairly certain that a rule banning QAnon content would apply to those posting QAnon content, rather than applying to those having debates with subject matter related to the group. If moderation decides that a ban on QAnon content involves simply discussing it, don't fret, as I'll join you in the backlash.

In implementation, that is about how it would most likely look: discussion of Q-anon as a group and its antics would be one thing, espousing Q-anon theories is another. The former would be fine, the latter would be quite the minefield to navigate in a manner that isn't considered trolling. Again, using Nazis as an example; it is very, VERY difficult to argue the Nazi ideology in a manner that doesn't trip over advocating violence against real people or making broad, sweeping All X are Y flavor arguments about its targets or detractors. I imagine a Q-anon supporter is liable to find the same issue when trying to argue their ideology if we crack down on it.

[RiderSyl]

I don't think it's a good idea.
The point of Nationstate General is FREE SPEECH, censoring Qanon just ruins the point of NSG.

It's free speech, so I can post whatever I like here, right?
Ahahahaha! Hahaha! Free speech! No, it's not. I run this web site, see, so you have to play by my rules. It's like my own Father Knows Best state.

[Crabaiaia]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon

The second sentence of that page mentions that it's a cult.

"U.S. prosecutors have called QAnon "a group commonly referred to as a cult""

Only Americans see it as a cult but officials outside of America still see it as a "conspiracy theory"

[Picairn]

I don't think it's a good idea.
The point of Nationstate General is FREE SPEECH, censoring Qanon just ruins the point of NSG.

Max Barry's first rule in Etiquette literally contradicts your point. NS is his Father-Knows-Best state.

[RiderSyl]

The second sentence of that page mentions that it's a cult.

"U.S. prosecutors have called QAnon "a group commonly referred to as a cult""

Only Americans see it as a cult but officials outside of America still see it as a "conspiracy theory"

Do you have a source for that? I'd like to know what officials outside of America still consider it a mere theory.

[Tornado Queendom]

Isn't QAnon a theory that leftist, satanic pedophiles are plotting against Donald Trump?

QAnon is not a theory. It is an extremist cult.

IC: Extremism is better than Centrism.
Seriously, though. Banning extreme opinions leads to a slippery slope that eventually means a Hate Speech ban. How are you going to enforce a Qanon ban?
I'll probably continue believing it anyways. Even if it isn't true.

[Attempted Socialism]

If you ban these crazies, you had better ban the radical leftists who promoted the insurrections in the early months of 2020. If there's even a smidge of hypocrisy in 'who gets to be extreme', you're giving either side more fuel to act out.

No, that's not a valid comparison. As several others have pointed out, there's a better comparison to make, namely that of ISIS. Both are fundamentalist terrorist movements explicitly and solely existing to advance an ideology which calls for mass murder. "Radical leftists" didn't promote an insurrection that only happened in the fictional reality of Fox News cinematic universe. And comparing QAnon to e.g. the BLM demonstrations is also invalid; the latter is a legal social movement calling for reform. Your whataboutism is really uncalled for. We're discussing banning literal terrorism and attempted coup-makers, not centrist, centre-left and centre-right policies and movements.

Sure, ban antifa too.

Being against fascism and terrorism is not, itself, terrorism. You're disingenuously trying to sabotage an actual discussion.

[Tornado Queendom]

I am fairly certain that a rule banning QAnon content would apply to those posting QAnon content, rather than applying to those having debates with subject matter related to the group. If moderation decides that a ban on QAnon content involves simply discussing it, don't fret, as I'll join you in the backlash.

In implementation, that is about how it would most likely look: discussion of Q-anon as a group and its antics would be one thing, espousing Q-anon theories is another. The former would be fine, the latter would be quite the minefield to navigate in a manner that isn't considered trolling. Again, using Nazis as an example; it is very, VERY difficult to argue the Nazi ideology in a manner that doesn't trip over advocating violence against real people or making broad, sweeping All X are Y flavor arguments about its targets or detractors. I imagine a Q-anon supporter is liable to find the same issue when trying to argue their ideology if we crack down on it.

Yeah, but it IS possible. Just don't make it retroactive, because I would get permabanned overnight.

[Crabaiaia]

"U.S. prosecutors have called QAnon "a group commonly referred to as a cult""

Only Americans see it as a cult but officials outside of America still see it as a "conspiracy theory"

Do you have a source for that? I'd like to know what officials outside of America still consider it a mere theory.

Well as you see in the same page, there are German and Japanese QAnon Believers yet courts from those countries haven't rule them as a cult YET.

Like I said QAnon is a stupid idea but it doesn't automatically mean it should count as a cult

Until all countries involved can clearly state that it is a "cult", it isn't a cult YET.

[Picairn]

IC: Extremism is better than Centrism.
Seriously, though. Banning extreme opinions leads to a slippery slope that eventually means a Hate Speech ban. How are you going to enforce a Qanon ban?
I'll probably continue believing it anyways. Even if it isn't true.

Right, becoming an extremist is so much better. Murdering your political opponents than engaging in civil debate is so much better.

[RiderSyl]

Banning extreme opinions leads to a slippery slope that eventually means a Hate Speech ban.

Oh hey, it's the slippery slope argument of censorship that's been presented every time NS staff have banned something and yet has never come true.

Now I'm just counting the pages until we get the "Mods are Nazis because they warned me before" post.

[Tornado Queendom]

If you ban these crazies, you had better ban the radical leftists who promoted the insurrections in the early months of 2020. If there's even a smidge of hypocrisy in 'who gets to be extreme', you're giving either side more fuel to act out.

No, that's not a valid comparison. As several others have pointed out, there's a better comparison to make, namely that of ISIS. Both are fundamentalist terrorist movements explicitly and solely existing to advance an ideology which calls for mass murder. "Radical leftists" didn't promote an insurrection that only happened in the fictional reality of Fox News cinematic universe. And comparing QAnon to e.g. the BLM demonstrations is also invalid; the latter is a legal social movement calling for reform. Your whataboutism is really uncalled for. We're discussing banning literal terrorism and attempted coup-makers, not centrist, centre-left and centre-right policies and movements.

Sure, ban antifa too.

Being against fascism and terrorism is not, itself, terrorism. You're disingenuously trying to sabotage an actual discussion.

I'd actually compare Qanon to Soviet Investigations. Did Qanon ever blow up an ancient monument?
As for Antifa, it's the BEHAVIOR that I have an issue with.

[Picairn]

Oh hey, it's the slippery slope argument of censorship that's been presented every time NS staff have banned something and yet has never come true.

Now I'm just counting the pages until we get the "Mods are Nazis because they warned me before" post.

"Fuck the mods!" and "Mods are fascists trying to suppress me!" when?

[Tornado Queendom]

Banning extreme opinions leads to a slippery slope that eventually means a Hate Speech ban.

Oh hey, it's the slippery slope argument of censorship that's been presented every time NS staff have banned something and yet has never come true.

Now I'm just counting the pages until we get the "Mods are Nazis because they warned me before" post.

I'm putting you on my block list. Any more reasoning with you may get me banned.

[RiderSyl]

Until all countries involved can clearly state that it is a "cult", it isn't a cult YET.

Silly. That impossibly high standard would mean there has never been a cult in the history of humanity.

I'd actually compare Qanon to Soviet Investigations. Did Qanon ever blow up an ancient monument?

The US Capitol Building was trashed inside and out.

I'm putting you on my block list. Any more reasoning with you may get me banned.

If you can't handle what I was posting without having the compulsion to break the rules, then it's unlikely you have a very long future on this site.

[Crabaiaia]

Until the courts of Japan (where JAnon, QAnon's Japanese Branch is located) can rule the "cult" as such, it isn't a cult yet. It's still a political conspiracy of people who don't know what tf they're doing.

[Picairn]

I'm putting you on my block list. Any more reasoning with you may get me banned.

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[Great Algerstonia]

If ISIS symbolism is allowed then Qanon should likewise be allowed