[Discussion] Ban Q-Anon content?

[Picairn]

It seems when I stated my first beliefs in QAnon you straight up attacked me by saying it was irrelevant to the topic even though I stated the basics of QAnon's beliefs

Indeed, we should not entertain the BS theories of a cult. End of story.

[Ethel mermania]

So then we leave the examination of the whys out of the debate on them and just ignore qanon exists?

I am fairly certain that a rule banning QAnon content would apply to those posting QAnon content, rather than applying to those having debates with subject matter related to the group. If moderation decides that a ban on QAnon content involves simply discussing it, don't fret, as I'll join you in the backlash.

Enough with your condensing bullshit. I dont give a rats ass in whatever club you want to join.

This site doesn't ban mien kampf, at least hitler was a competent psychopath. your going to ban the writing of incompetent boobs, awesome.

[Picairn]

If I can't safely express my opinions on QAnon without getting attacked with accusations of irrelevancy then maybe they shouldn't be banned

They. Caused. An. Insurrection.

[Farnhamia]

You still defended a cult, regardless of whether you supported its beliefs or not.

I can't handle? Lmao is this an underhanded tactic to call me a snowflake?

It seems when I stated my first beliefs in QAnon you straight up attacked me by saying it was irrelevant to the topic even though I stated the basics of QAnon's beliefs

Okay, okay, this thread is not about either of you and who said what about whom. Knock it off.

[Crabaiaia]

It seems when I stated my first beliefs in QAnon you straight up attacked me by saying it was irrelevant to the topic even though I stated the basics of QAnon's beliefs

Indeed, we should not entertain the BS theories of a cult. End of story.

I was simply saying that QAnon shouldn't accuse leftists of pedophilia, they should accuse Pedophiles for pedophilia

[Crabaiaia]

If I can't safely express my opinions on QAnon without getting attacked with accusations of irrelevancy then maybe they shouldn't be banned

They. Caused. An. Insurrection.

And so what if they caused an Insurrection, it doesn't mean I shouldn't state what they believe.

That's like saying a child is sick and stating that the doctor shouldn't say why he is sick.

[RiderSyl]

It seems when I stated my first beliefs in QAnon you straight up attacked me by saying it was irrelevant to the topic even though I stated the basics of QAnon's beliefs

Okay, okay, this thread is not about either of you and who said what about whom. Knock it off.

You gonna do something about them excusing QAnon's undeniable involvement in the homicide of a police officer? Or is that somehow not flamebait? Is that somehow kosher?

[Crabaiaia]

Okay, okay, this thread is not about either of you and who said what about whom. Knock it off.

You gonna do something about them excusing QAnon's undeniable involvement the homicide of a police officer? Or is that somehow not flamebait?

I am not excusing them because the person who killed Sicknick was a MAGA believer not a QAnon supporter

[Crabaiaia]

Fine, if you guys support banning QAnon then ban discussions of Socialism or Communism as well

[Picairn]

And so what if they caused an Insurrection, it doesn't mean I shouldn't state what they believe.

The real problem is followers who geniunely buy into it and post it sincerely on NS. We are discussing the punishment for that here.

That's like saying a child is sick and stating that the doctor shouldn't say why he is sick.

Bullshit. Fringe theories are not observable facts.

[Picairn]

Fine, if you guys support banning QAnon then ban discussions of Socialism or Communism as well

Ah yes, the good old deflection once you lose the argument.

[RiderSyl]

You gonna do something about them excusing QAnon's undeniable involvement the homicide of a police officer? Or is that somehow not flamebait?

I am not excusing them because the person who killed Sicknick was a MAGA believer not a QAnon supporter

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[Crabaiaia]

And so what if they caused an Insurrection, it doesn't mean I shouldn't state what they believe.

The real problem is followers who geniunely buy into it and post it sincerely on NS. We are discussing the punishment for that here.

That's like saying a child is sick and stating that the doctor shouldn't say why he is sick.

Bullshit. Fringe theories are not observable facts.

Their beliefs are what made them insurrect if we can't diagnose that then how do we fight it?

[RiderSyl]

Yeah, fuck it, let's ban QAnon content.

[Crabaiaia]

Yeah, fuck it, let's ban QAnon content.

Sure, but ban cults on the other side

[Farnhamia]

Yeah, fuck it, let's ban QAnon content.

Sure, but ban cults on the other side

Done!

Locked until I can nudge my colleagues into making a ruling.

[Reploid Productions]

Okay, let's ALL dial it back some, much of the past 3 pages has been entirely unhelpful arguing and whataboutism. This isn't about Antifa, this isn't about "Is Qanon a cult?" (that might make an interesting NSG debate though.) It's about "How should moderation address content on-site regarding a group known for its increasingly violent rhetoric and conduct up to and including a violent armed insurrection and attempted coup against the US government?"

Current conversation in the lair is leaning in the direction of "Don't ban, but crack down on it similar to how Nazis and other proponents of extremist beliefs are already treated." Likely including harsher treatment of related flags, clearly adding Q-anon websites to the Do Not Link list alongside other hate sites, and not treating supporters with the kiddie gloves if in arguing their positions they run afoul of calls for violence and other trolling. So let's get back to that, shall we?

[Parxland]

I'm approving of the direction of the current conversation in the mod lair, but if I can add an amendment: extend it to discord too. If you saw evidence of ISIS supporters their content on discords linked to this game, like a regional discord, you'd ban the discord link or the people who posted said content if their nation was a known quantity. Extend that to Q-Anon content, too. With this ideology, even the current leaning is too soft.

Here's my thinking:
-You run a games that's pg-13 and you have vulnerable children with malleable minds that play.
-Around 75% of the community is american, the majority of the target 'audience' for Q-anon.

Even if you do the current ruling If I was say somebody like a white supremacist of Q-anon promoter looking for new sources to recruit new blood for the movement because all the previous sources for it are blocked now, this would still be an ideal platform for it. Even if I couldn't promote content on site, I could still get into discords, and the private channels and DMs of other players, especially children. I'd befriend them and ask them to visit another website that I tout 'is pretty cool'. They'd go there and I could manipulate their opinions to my own.

That's how it will happen. It's likely to have already happened, and if it hasn't it's a matter of time until it does. This website can enforce the ban on discords, with the help of the NS community. Regions like the pacifics have spent years putting spies into other communities and politics being what it is, it's left-wing vs right wing and the feeders are firmly left wing at this time. If you give them the ability to report inappropriate q-anon content on discords, they'll find the shitty q-anon promoters and white supremacists for you and it'll be a whole heck of a lot more feasible to prevent this game from supporting extremists on the discord platform. Because at this time discord servers are a major platform remaining for the far-right terrorist movements.

[Farnhamia]

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I'm approving of the direction of the current conversation in the mod lair, but if I can add an amendment: extend it to discord too. If you saw evidence of ISIS supporters their content on discords linked to this game, like a regional discord, you'd ban the discord link or the people who posted said content if their nation was a known quantity. Extend that to Q-Anon content, too. With this ideology, even the current leaning is too soft.

Here's my thinking:
-You run a games that's pg-13 and you have vulnerable children with malleable minds that play.
-Around 75% of the community is american, the majority of the target 'audience' for Q-anon.

Even if you do the current ruling If I was say somebody like a white supremacist of Q-anon promoter looking for new sources to recruit new blood for the movement because all the previous sources for it are blocked now, this would still be an ideal platform for it. Even if I couldn't promote content on site, I could still get into discords, and the private channels and DMs of other players, especially children. I'd befriend them and ask them to visit another website that I tout 'is pretty cool'. They'd go there and I could manipulate their opinions to my own.

That's how it will happen. It's likely to have already happened, and if it hasn't it's a matter of time until it does. This website can enforce the ban on discords, with the help of the NS community. Regions like the pacifics have spent years putting spies into other communities and politics being what it is, it's left-wing vs right wing and the feeders are firmly left wing at this time. If you give them the ability to report inappropriate q-anon content on discords, they'll find the shitty q-anon promoters and white supremacists for you and it'll be a whole heck of a lot more feasible to prevent this game from supporting extremists on the discord platform. Because at this time discord servers are a major platform remaining for the far-right terrorist movements.

If they bring it to NS, report them. We don't control Discord. Discord has its own Moderators, poor sods. We might suggest that Max buy Discord but he seems focused on his family and his retirement.

[Tornado Queendom]

If ISIS symbolism is allowed then Qanon should likewise be allowed

I honestly agree.

[Tornado Queendom]

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I'm approving of the direction of the current conversation in the mod lair, but if I can add an amendment: extend it to discord too. If you saw evidence of ISIS supporters their content on discords linked to this game, like a regional discord, you'd ban the discord link or the people who posted said content if their nation was a known quantity. Extend that to Q-Anon content, too. With this ideology, even the current leaning is too soft.

Here's my thinking:
-You run a games that's pg-13 and you have vulnerable children with malleable minds that play.
-Around 75% of the community is american, the majority of the target 'audience' for Q-anon.

Even if you do the current ruling If I was say somebody like a white supremacist of Q-anon promoter looking for new sources to recruit new blood for the movement because all the previous sources for it are blocked now, this would still be an ideal platform for it. Even if I couldn't promote content on site, I could still get into discords, and the private channels and DMs of other players, especially children. I'd befriend them and ask them to visit another website that I tout 'is pretty cool'. They'd go there and I could manipulate their opinions to my own.

That's how it will happen. It's likely to have already happened, and if it hasn't it's a matter of time until it does. This website can enforce the ban on discords, with the help of the NS community. Regions like the pacifics have spent years putting spies into other communities and politics being what it is, it's left-wing vs right wing and the feeders are firmly left wing at this time. If you give them the ability to report inappropriate q-anon content on discords, they'll find the shitty q-anon promoters and white supremacists for you and it'll be a whole heck of a lot more feasible to prevent this game from supporting extremists on the discord platform. Because at this time discord servers are a major platform remaining for the far-right terrorist movements.

I'm a Far Right terrorist, and I'm offended by your post.
Seriously, though. Qanon should only be banned if it's clear that it's trolling, if it's banned at all.

[Tornado Queendom]

Okay, let's ALL dial it back some, much of the past 3 pages has been entirely unhelpful arguing and whataboutism. This isn't about Antifa, this isn't about "Is Qanon a cult?" (that might make an interesting NSG debate though.) It's about "How should moderation address content on-site regarding a group known for its increasingly violent rhetoric and conduct up to and including a violent armed insurrection and attempted coup against the US government?"

Current conversation in the lair is leaning in the direction of "Don't ban, but crack down on it similar to how Nazis and other proponents of extremist beliefs are already treated." Likely including harsher treatment of related flags, clearly adding Q-anon websites to the Do Not Link list alongside other hate sites, and not treating supporters with the kiddie gloves if in arguing their positions they run afoul of calls for violence and other trolling. So let's get back to that, shall we?

No, just no. I believe in Qanon. If you're going to ban it, ban it in a non-retroactive way.

[Lord Dominator]

Last time this came up, my opinion was that promotion of Qanon - a conspiracy theory with the core claim that leading Democrats and celebrities are pedophiles that Trump will be extra-judicially arresting and/or killing anyday now - is inherently rulebreaking. I haven't changed my mind on this subject. Proper moderation would I presume to be a ban on promotion as Reppy indicated with allowance for regular discussion of such, which is generally appropriate for most extremist groups.

[Lord Dominator]

Okay, let's ALL dial it back some, much of the past 3 pages has been entirely unhelpful arguing and whataboutism. This isn't about Antifa, this isn't about "Is Qanon a cult?" (that might make an interesting NSG debate though.) It's about "How should moderation address content on-site regarding a group known for its increasingly violent rhetoric and conduct up to and including a violent armed insurrection and attempted coup against the US government?"

Current conversation in the lair is leaning in the direction of "Don't ban, but crack down on it similar to how Nazis and other proponents of extremist beliefs are already treated." Likely including harsher treatment of related flags, clearly adding Q-anon websites to the Do Not Link list alongside other hate sites, and not treating supporters with the kiddie gloves if in arguing their positions they run afoul of calls for violence and other trolling. So let's get back to that, shall we?

No, just no. I believe in Qanon. If you're going to ban it, ban it in a non-retroactive way.

No part of Reppy's post indicated any retroactive punishment more than is regular.

[Juristonia]

Okay, let's ALL dial it back some, much of the past 3 pages has been entirely unhelpful arguing and whataboutism. This isn't about Antifa, this isn't about "Is Qanon a cult?" (that might make an interesting NSG debate though.) It's about "How should moderation address content on-site regarding a group known for its increasingly violent rhetoric and conduct up to and including a violent armed insurrection and attempted coup against the US government?"

Current conversation in the lair is leaning in the direction of "Don't ban, but crack down on it similar to how Nazis and other proponents of extremist beliefs are already treated." Likely including harsher treatment of related flags, clearly adding Q-anon websites to the Do Not Link list alongside other hate sites, and not treating supporters with the kiddie gloves if in arguing their positions they run afoul of calls for violence and other trolling. So let's get back to that, shall we?

This sounds reasonable.