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by Picairn » Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:46 pm
Crabaiaia wrote:Isn't QAnon a theory that leftist, satanic pedophiles are plotting against Donald Trump?
by Picairn » Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:46 pm
RiderSyl wrote:Oh god I think we found one, lads
by Crabaiaia » Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:47 pm
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by Crabaiaia » Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:47 pm
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by Tornado Queendom » Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:48 pm
Parxland wrote:Referencing a previous thread here: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=493337
After the shit that happened early this month at the US Capitol (the violent attempted coup where people died) I'd like to revisit this topic. Since it's fact now a good portion of the rioters that stormed the capitol were part of the Q-Anon movement, and the rioters were led by by an organized militia of former military who believed the conspiracy theories Q-Anon craps out, coupled with the reality the Q-anon movement is used to promote domestic terrorism in the USA now along with white supremacy.. My opinion regarding Q-Anon content on this website has shifted.
I'd like to propose that all Q-Anon Content, in whatever forms it may take in be banned from this browser game as soon as possible. How that rule is implemented, I'll leave up to the moderation staff and more veteran players who know the community better than I do. I'm just reintroducing this discussion.
by Reploid Productions » Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:49 pm
RiderSyl wrote:Ethel mermania wrote:So then we leave the examination of the whys out of the debate on them and just ignore qanon exists?
I am fairly certain that a rule banning QAnon content would apply to those posting QAnon content, rather than applying to those having debates with subject matter related to the group. If moderation decides that a ban on QAnon content involves simply discussing it, don't fret, as I'll join you in the backlash.
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by RiderSyl » Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:50 pm
Tornado Queendom wrote:I don't think it's a good idea.
The point of Nationstate General is FREE SPEECH, censoring Qanon just ruins the point of NSG.
The FAQ of this website wrote:It's free speech, so I can post whatever I like here, right?
Ahahahaha! Hahaha! Free speech! No, it's not. I run this web site, see, so you have to play by my rules. It's like my own Father Knows Best state.
by Crabaiaia » Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:50 pm
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by Picairn » Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:50 pm
Tornado Queendom wrote:I don't think it's a good idea.
The point of Nationstate General is FREE SPEECH, censoring Qanon just ruins the point of NSG.
by Tornado Queendom » Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:51 pm
by Attempted Socialism » Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:52 pm
Spiritual Republic of Caryton wrote:If you ban these crazies, you had better ban the radical leftists who promoted the insurrections in the early months of 2020. If there's even a smidge of hypocrisy in 'who gets to be extreme', you're giving either side more fuel to act out.
Ethel mermania wrote:Sure, ban antifa too.
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by Tornado Queendom » Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:53 pm
Reploid Productions wrote:RiderSyl wrote:I am fairly certain that a rule banning QAnon content would apply to those posting QAnon content, rather than applying to those having debates with subject matter related to the group. If moderation decides that a ban on QAnon content involves simply discussing it, don't fret, as I'll join you in the backlash.
In implementation, that is about how it would most likely look: discussion of Q-anon as a group and its antics would be one thing, espousing Q-anon theories is another. The former would be fine, the latter would be quite the minefield to navigate in a manner that isn't considered trolling. Again, using Nazis as an example; it is very, VERY difficult to argue the Nazi ideology in a manner that doesn't trip over advocating violence against real people or making broad, sweeping All X are Y flavor arguments about its targets or detractors. I imagine a Q-anon supporter is liable to find the same issue when trying to argue their ideology if we crack down on it.
by Crabaiaia » Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:53 pm
RiderSyl wrote:Crabaiaia wrote:"U.S. prosecutors have called QAnon "a group commonly referred to as a cult""
Only Americans see it as a cult but officials outside of America still see it as a "conspiracy theory"
Do you have a source for that? I'd like to know what officials outside of America still consider it a mere theory.
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by Picairn » Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:54 pm
Tornado Queendom wrote:IC: Extremism is better than Centrism.
Seriously, though. Banning extreme opinions leads to a slippery slope that eventually means a Hate Speech ban. How are you going to enforce a Qanon ban?
I'll probably continue believing it anyways. Even if it isn't true.
by RiderSyl » Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:54 pm
Tornado Queendom wrote:Banning extreme opinions leads to a slippery slope that eventually means a Hate Speech ban.
by Tornado Queendom » Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:55 pm
Attempted Socialism wrote:Spiritual Republic of Caryton wrote:If you ban these crazies, you had better ban the radical leftists who promoted the insurrections in the early months of 2020. If there's even a smidge of hypocrisy in 'who gets to be extreme', you're giving either side more fuel to act out.
No, that's not a valid comparison. As several others have pointed out, there's a better comparison to make, namely that of ISIS. Both are fundamentalist terrorist movements explicitly and solely existing to advance an ideology which calls for mass murder. "Radical leftists" didn't promote an insurrection that only happened in the fictional reality of Fox News cinematic universe. And comparing QAnon to e.g. the BLM demonstrations is also invalid; the latter is a legal social movement calling for reform. Your whataboutism is really uncalled for. We're discussing banning literal terrorism and attempted coup-makers, not centrist, centre-left and centre-right policies and movements.Ethel mermania wrote:Sure, ban antifa too.
Being against fascism and terrorism is not, itself, terrorism. You're disingenuously trying to sabotage an actual discussion.
by Picairn » Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:56 pm
RiderSyl wrote:Oh hey, it's the slippery slope argument of censorship that's been presented every time NS staff have banned something and yet has never come true.
Now I'm just counting the pages until we get the "Mods are Nazis because they warned me before" post.
by Tornado Queendom » Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:56 pm
RiderSyl wrote:Tornado Queendom wrote:Banning extreme opinions leads to a slippery slope that eventually means a Hate Speech ban.
Oh hey, it's the slippery slope argument of censorship that's been presented every time NS staff have banned something and yet has never come true.
Now I'm just counting the pages until we get the "Mods are Nazis because they warned me before" post.
by RiderSyl » Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:57 pm
Crabaiaia wrote:Until all countries involved can clearly state that it is a "cult", it isn't a cult YET.
Tornado Queendom wrote:I'd actually compare Qanon to Soviet Investigations. Did Qanon ever blow up an ancient monument?
Tornado Queendom wrote:I'm putting you on my block list. Any more reasoning with you may get me banned.
by Crabaiaia » Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:58 pm
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by Picairn » Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:58 pm
Tornado Queendom wrote:I'm putting you on my block list. Any more reasoning with you may get me banned.
by Great Algerstonia » Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:59 pm
Resilient Acceleration wrote:After a period of letting this discussion run its course without my involvement due to sheer laziness and a new related NS project, I have returned with an answer and that answer is Israel.
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