Indiana AG: LGBT Parents should be stripped of Rights

[Freiheit Reich]

Fuck this guy. Let parents be recognized as such.

It seems this is trolling as it is directly attacking Indiana Attorney General Curtis Hill and not just simply criticizing his idea. It is also unnecessary use of foul language and quite offensive.

[Jakker]

I'm not seeing that as actionable. There are expressing an opinion about someone who is not a player here and have done so in a way that may feel heated, but not anything that I would regard as against the rules.

[Freiheit Reich]

I'm not seeing that as actionable. There are expressing an opinion about someone who is not a player here and have done so in a way that may feel heated, but not anything that I would regard as against the rules.

He might be a player on this website. Most people only state their nations' names but not their own names. Also, he has over 1.6 million supporters in Indiana (based on 2016 election results) which might be offended because of the rude attack. Also, he might have family members or friends playing on this website that might find it offensive.

Shouldn't the players on the site just state that they feel his policies were wrong without swearing?

[New Visayan Islands]

I'm not seeing that as actionable. There are expressing an opinion about someone who is not a player here and have done so in a way that may feel heated, but not anything that I would regard as against the rules.

He might be a player on this website. Most people only state their nations' names but not their own names. Also, he has over 1.6 million supporters in Indiana (based on 2016 election results) which might be offended because of the rude attack. Also, he might have family members or friends playing on this website that might find it offensive.

Shouldn't the players on the site just state that they feel his policies were wrong without swearing?

I'm treating this as a request for a second opinion and would like to let you know that the initial ruling stands.

Thanks!
NVI

[Freiheit Reich]

He might be a player on this website. Most people only state their nations' names but not their own names. Also, he has over 1.6 million supporters in Indiana (based on 2016 election results) which might be offended because of the rude attack. Also, he might have family members or friends playing on this website that might find it offensive.

Shouldn't the players on the site just state that they feel his policies were wrong without swearing?

I'm treating this as a request for a second opinion and would like to let you know that the initial ruling stands.

Thanks!
NVI

OK. I understand. Thank you.

[Necroghastia]

Do you think Lgbt people should be able to adopt at all? A friend of mine was raised by two men. They are the only family he’s ever known. He doesn’t have any memory of his biological parents not does he even know where they reside.

No, homosexuals should not be allowed to adopt children.

Lombard Demonstrates Why Gays Should Not be Allowed to Adopt

http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/7829810803.html

Lombard Demonstrates Why Gays Should Not be Allowed to Adopt
Contact: Dr. Paul Cameron, 303-681-3113

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo., June 29 /Christian Newswire/ -- The on-line rape of his 5-year-old adopted son by Duke University's openly-gay, Frank Lombard, is no anomaly. Instead, Lombard's molestation fits the pattern that emerged in the latest review of the scientific literature about gay fathers.

Lombard lives with his gay partner, another Duke University employee. The Arrest Warrant documents that Lombard sodomized one of his two adopted African-American sons and made the boy give him oral sex on-line. He offered other gays the same opportunity. Although the boy was drugged, "it is likely he developed interest in gay sex through these activities," said Dr. Paul Cameron, an expert in gay fostering/gay adoption and author of the latest review.

Published in the peer-reviewed Psychological Reports, the review(1) noted that gays' children were more frequently exposed to parental molestation and more apt to adopt homosexual interests and activities. "The Lombard case fits the pattern," said Dr. Cameron. "While every gay parent does not molest his child, the scientific literature records a much higher incidence of molestation by gay parents or foster parents."

Dr. Cameron, Chairman of the Family Research Institute, a Colorado Springs think-tank, noted that the review documented that gays' children were also:

1) more apt to report sexual confusion;

2) more apt to be socially disturbed;

3) more apt to abuse substances;

4) less apt to get married;

5) more apt to have difficulty in attachment and loving relationships; and

6) more apt to have emotional difficulties.

"The cant that 'gay parents are no more likely to molest' is not based on evidence but liberal ideology," said Cameron. "By endorsing gay adoption, President Obama, the state of North Carolina, and Duke University share blame for this tragedy. These policy makers let dogma blind them to evidence that has been in the literature for years. Why would anyone who cared about children endorse adoption by members of a group which had 23% of its members admit to sex with boys(2) or had 19% say they felt 'positive' about sex with them?(3)"

1. Cameron P. Gay Fathers' Effects On Children: A Review Psychological Reports, 2009:104;649-639

2. Bell AP, Weinberg MS Homosexualities: a study of diversity among men and women. NY: Simon & Schuster, 1978.

3. Jay K & Young A. The Gay report. NY: Summit, 1979.

FR says that gay people shouldn't be allowed to adopt, and as "evidence" copypastes an article saying gay people are likely to be child molesters. Pretty blatant trolling.

[The Free Joy State]

I would also like to point out that the, according to my anti-virus software, the carm.org link tries to download a virus when opened (on this link): viewtopic.php?p=38014875#p38014875

[Freiheit Reich]

No, homosexuals should not be allowed to adopt children.

Lombard Demonstrates Why Gays Should Not be Allowed to Adopt

http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/7829810803.html

Lombard Demonstrates Why Gays Should Not be Allowed to Adopt
Contact: Dr. Paul Cameron, 303-681-3113

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo., June 29 /Christian Newswire/ -- The on-line rape of his 5-year-old adopted son by Duke University's openly-gay, Frank Lombard, is no anomaly. Instead, Lombard's molestation fits the pattern that emerged in the latest review of the scientific literature about gay fathers.

Lombard lives with his gay partner, another Duke University employee. The Arrest Warrant documents that Lombard sodomized one of his two adopted African-American sons and made the boy give him oral sex on-line. He offered other gays the same opportunity. Although the boy was drugged, "it is likely he developed interest in gay sex through these activities," said Dr. Paul Cameron, an expert in gay fostering/gay adoption and author of the latest review.

Published in the peer-reviewed Psychological Reports, the review(1) noted that gays' children were more frequently exposed to parental molestation and more apt to adopt homosexual interests and activities. "The Lombard case fits the pattern," said Dr. Cameron. "While every gay parent does not molest his child, the scientific literature records a much higher incidence of molestation by gay parents or foster parents."

Dr. Cameron, Chairman of the Family Research Institute, a Colorado Springs think-tank, noted that the review documented that gays' children were also:

1) more apt to report sexual confusion;

2) more apt to be socially disturbed;

3) more apt to abuse substances;

4) less apt to get married;

5) more apt to have difficulty in attachment and loving relationships; and

6) more apt to have emotional difficulties.

"The cant that 'gay parents are no more likely to molest' is not based on evidence but liberal ideology," said Cameron. "By endorsing gay adoption, President Obama, the state of North Carolina, and Duke University share blame for this tragedy. These policy makers let dogma blind them to evidence that has been in the literature for years. Why would anyone who cared about children endorse adoption by members of a group which had 23% of its members admit to sex with boys(2) or had 19% say they felt 'positive' about sex with them?(3)"

1. Cameron P. Gay Fathers' Effects On Children: A Review Psychological Reports, 2009:104;649-639

2. Bell AP, Weinberg MS Homosexualities: a study of diversity among men and women. NY: Simon & Schuster, 1978.

3. Jay K & Young A. The Gay report. NY: Summit, 1979.

FR says that gay people shouldn't be allowed to adopt, and as "evidence" copypastes an article saying gay people are likely to be child molesters. Pretty blatant trolling.

The article uses a doctors' evidence and it states the research is published in the peer-reviewed Psychological Reports and provides sources. This is not trolling.

[Freiheit Reich]

I would also like to point out that the, according to my anti-virus software, the carm.org link tries to download a virus when opened (on this link): viewtopic.php?p=38014875#p38014875

I opened it and had no problems. In fact, I opened it twice. No virus warning came up. I would not knowingly try to infect people's computers. I hate computer viruses as much as anybody.

[The Free Joy State]

I would also like to point out that the, according to my anti-virus software, the carm.org link tries to download a virus when opened (on this link): viewtopic.php?p=38014875#p38014875

I opened it and had no problems. In fact, I opened it twice. No virus warning came up. I would not knowingly try to infect people's computers. I hate computer viruses as much as anybody.

I was not saying it was a malicious act, and considering I bought a highly sensitive system, it may even be a false positive. Just a thing I thought should be raised.

[Necroghastia]

FR says that gay people shouldn't be allowed to adopt, and as "evidence" copypastes an article saying gay people are likely to be child molesters. Pretty blatant trolling.

The article uses a doctors' evidence and it states the research is published in the peer-reviewed Psychological Reports and provides sources. This is not trolling.

A doctor whose "research" has been rejected by the APA and ASA (among others) and has gone so far as to advocate putting LGBT people in concentration camps. Citing this guy is like citing Wakefield on vaccines.

[The Archregimancy]

This is a difficult one.

I know that Freiheit Reich is advocating a perspective that's deeply unpopular among the majority of our player base - indeed will anger many - but the question is whether this inherently constitutes trolling.

I don't think linking to an properly attributed external story is inherently trolling, nor do I think Freiheit Reich has posted in a deliberately inflammatory manner. The dividing line between posting an unpopular opinion and trolling is not always straightforward or clear cut - and I'll acknowledge that this is perhaps one of those cases - but I do not believe we have crossed over to trolling in this specific case.

I recognise that the academic credentials of the individual who's being cited here are highly dubious. I therefore think the appropriate response in this case is for Necroghastia to repeat as much in the original thread (if this hasn't already been done) in order to point this out.

I stress again that this case is not necessarily straightforward, nor am I giving Freiheit Reich a free pass to post whatever he likes so long as he's using a properly attributed offsite source. I merely note that in this one case we have not crossed the sometimes difficult line between expressing an unpopular opinion and trolling.

[The Free Joy State]

I think the "ultra-religious twats" seems to be pushing the line of flamebaiting (especially as it seems like it's referencing toward Turelisa's argument):

why are all the homophobes ultra-religious twats that can't make an argument without straw-manning or making vague comments about morality? ive still to find an ACTUAL argument against homosexuality that doesn't rely on religious propaganda or false claims of indoctrination/ or they're gonna ruin their kid some how.
you don't *HAVE* to like gay people, just mind your business, it doesn't effect you

[Crilland]

they should not be stripped of rights since they are humans just like all of us and they have no reason to be discriminated only because assholes dont like difference.

[New Visayan Islands]

Could use a drink right now...

they should not be stripped of rights since they are humans just like all of us and they have no reason to be discriminated only because assholes dont like difference.

Still doesn't give you license to post in a report thread if you have nothing to add to the report. This is an informal warning for spamming Moderation.

Thanks!
NVI

[The Free Joy State]

Thanks, NVI!

[The Free Joy State]

Turelisa is asking San Lumen (after Lumen has told him he will not discuss his private life) about his bedroom practises, which seems like a breech of PG-13, as well as bordering on potential harassment:

Have you ever been in a loving relationship with another man, and sodomy has formed the way in which you and he have expressed the physical side of your relationship? I know you are openly homosexual, but not all homosexuals like it, and I don't want to judge.

Im not going to discuss my private life here.

I'd like to know what credible scientific evidence you have for why LGBT people shouldnt be parents other than the bogus study you shared.

The answer required is either yes or no. I certainly don't want to discuss what you do in your bed. As I said, some homosexuals eschew sodomy. I have never approved of it.

Additionally, the thread seems to have largely come off the topic (same-sex parenting) with LGBT+ people in general, and whether homosexuality should be banned. It Perhaps a nudge back on track would be welcome.

[New Visayan Islands]

So...what do you recommend for a nightcap?

[The Free Joy State]

So...what do you recommend for a nightcap?

Thanks, NVI!

*leaves a bottle of your favourite tipple*

[North American Imperial State]

viewtopic.php?p=38029050#p38029050

Seems like Tolling to me

[The Free Joy State]

The whole thread has come back off the rails, from around here: viewtopic.php?p=38035350#p38035350

There's been very few postings mentioning same-sex parents; it has become a general discussion on homosexuality and Christianity -- focusing heavily on Sundiata's beliefs (especially since this post: viewtopic.php?p=38038987#p38038987)

I admit I have participated and freely accept any judgment that may come, though I also have made two attempts to nudge the discussion back on track:
viewtopic.php?p=38038922#p38038922
viewtopic.php?p=38039272#p38039272

EDIT: This is the latest post (as of 05:28 UK time), so I don't think the threadjack on Christianity and homosexuality shows signs of stopping: viewtopic.php?p=38043828#p38043828

[New Visayan Islands]

Consummatum est. Now to do same calibrations...

[The Free Joy State]

Thanks, NVI!