[D] Is NS a safe space for leftists?

[Te Netherlands]

I don't think NS is a "safe place", as I see Conservatives (right-wingers) and Liberals (left-wingers) everywhere on NS

[Byzconia]

Your guys are popen (I think that used to be slang, or maybe it still is)

Oh come on, these puns are just ghostly.

(And as someone who often lurks in Moderation I see no bias or "safespaces". I actually feel quite safe as a moderate center-rightish person. Then again I guess I do not have any need to thread the boundaries of the rules.)

Honestly, I think this is what it comes down to more often than not. The people most likely to be upset at the rules are the people who run afoul of said rules most often and just based on personal experience here over the years* (so take it with a grain of salt) right-wingers tend to be the ones jumping back and forth over the boundaries of the rules more often than not. I have a few theories why this is (mainly that the rules lean towards inclusivity and people who are right to far-right tend not to be big on that, usually), but can't say anything with 100% certainty. Whereas people who lean more to the left are generally less likely to go around calling people "degenerate filth" and other such nasties (and yes, I've actually seen that term used in the past, and the mods handled it swiftly). Not saying it doesn't happen, especially when you get to the more far-left types who are just straight up intolerant of anything they deem insufficiently "left" (which is pretty much everything short of Stalinist Russia), but leftists have less of a need to prove how dankly "un-PC" they are for their 4chan friends.

This is just an observation.

*Byzconia's not my first country, I've been here a few years longer than its founding, but don't remember when exactly. I wanna say 2014-15?

[Greater Miami Shores]

I don't think NS is a "safe place", as I see Conservatives (right-wingers) and Liberals (left-wingers) everywhere on NS

But the majority or plurality of Nation Staters are leftists of many kinds, and the majority of the Mods are leftists of many kinds. GMS.

[Vassenor]

I don't think NS is a "safe place", as I see Conservatives (right-wingers) and Liberals (left-wingers) everywhere on NS

Some people have a perception that Conservatives are more likely to face moderator action because of some form of bias. That's what the discussion is over.

[Novo Portugal]

What the fuck is a safe space even, in here you're free to hold your views and to debate with other, It's simple really.
And yes, NS is more left than right, so what? Maybe leftists prefer to waste their time in here more than rightists, who knows, who cares even?

I've always been able to state my opinions and I've never been warned by the moderation crew (me thinks), It really isn't that hard, just don't be a dick for people and if they are a dick for you just ignore and move on, this is an online forum, the real politics aren't made here nor do they have a slight care for us or our opinion. Seriously some of you guys take this too serious.

[TURTLESHROOM II]

I've never felt that NS was predominantly left-of-center in its user base. Maybe I'm just in the wrong threads.

You obviously don't go to NSG-blr.

[Katganistan]

Pretty much anything considered trolling is a good start. NS's definition is so esoteric and out of the norm I still don't fully understand what is and isn't trolling in General even after years and years of very active usage, due in no small part to it seemingly changing on the fly.

The interpretation I operate off of is "being a cunt." Probably not entirely accurate, but "don't be a cunt" is generally good advice for any situation.

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2) Keep it Civil. While being abrasive, mean-spirited, and mean are not against the rules, they do make you much harder to get along with and will be considered as aggravating circumstances, whether intentionally or not. Someone who's generally decent but has an off day is always going to get cut more slack than someone no one likes to be around. Additionally, if someone's being decent, it's really hard for that person to do something that will get them in trouble. When in doubt, a simple guideline is 'Don't Be A Dick'.

Um, pretty much. It's laid out in the One Stop Rules Shop under General Guidelines.

[Kexholm Karelia]

I don't think NS is a "safe place", as I see Conservatives (right-wingers) and Liberals (left-wingers) everywhere on NS

But the majority or plurality of Nation Staters are leftists of many kinds, and the majority of the Mods are leftists of many kinds. GMS.

Wait really?

[The Reformed American Republic]

But the majority or plurality of Nation Staters are leftists of many kinds, and the majority of the Mods are leftists of many kinds. GMS.

Wait really?

Right wing moderators exist, such as Sedgistan, but I wouldn't be surprised if a slim majority of moderators were left-wing.

[Woldoina]

Nation states is a bloodbath of people who want to revive the Soviet Union battling the leftists how are battling the communists who are also at war with the center people. Then there is the small group of rightists who everyone blames are fascist although most of them are not. Yea NS is a safe space for communists. And nobody else.

[Tundina]

It seems like while moderation does try to be fair handed it does lean to the left, generally speaking though it's no Twitter, no one's getting banned here for wishing someone a white Christmas or for playing a fictional fascist (despite protests of some of the people on the site) and they do allow other behaviour that would get less moderate left wingers riled even though it's fictional (like fictional slavery).

It's no safe space but like the majority of otherwise neutral internet forums it likely has a large group of young left wing idealists still figuring out what they truly believe, some of them will drift further left, some towards the centre and others will end up right wing...but I've noticed everyone I know regardless of their current politics starts off their personal political experiences on the left wing.

[Vassenor]

It seems like while moderation does try to be fair handed it does lean to the left, generally speaking though it's no Twitter, no one's getting banned here for wishing someone a white Christmas or for playing a fictional fascist (despite protests of some of the people on the site) and they do allow other behaviour that would get less moderate left wingers riled even though it's fictional (like fictional slavery).

It's no safe space but like the majority of otherwise neutral internet forums it likely has a large group of young left wing idealists still figuring out what they truly believe, some of them will drift further left, some towards the centre and others will end up right wing...but I've noticed everyone I know regardless of their current politics starts off their personal political experiences on the left wing.

I mean no-one's actually been banned from twitter for "wishing someone a white christmas" either, but OK.

[Tsaivao]

Nation states is a bloodbath of people who want to revive the Soviet Union battling the leftists how are battling the communists who are also at war with the center people. Then there is the small group of rightists who everyone blames are fascist although most of them are not. Yea NS is a safe space for communists. And nobody else.

Outside of the actual openly fascist regions, I've never heard anyone described as a fascist for being right-winged (and if they were, they can get reported for that ya know. Moderation usually takes care of it)

Usually moderation gets a lot of complaints from across the spectrum, which I guess is a signal that they're fairly unbiased.

[Aeritai]

Nation states is a bloodbath of people who want to revive the Soviet Union battling the leftists how are battling the communists who are also at war with the center people. Then there is the small group of rightists who everyone blames are fascist although most of them are not. Yea NS is a safe space for communists. And nobody else.

We had a communist get banned once for insulting another player and we also had a Black Nationalist get banned. As long as both left and right wingers remain civil, they won't get the hammer.

[Gandoor]

It seems like while moderation does try to be fair handed it does lean to the left, generally speaking though it's no Twitter, no one's getting banned here for wishing someone a white Christmas or for playing a fictional fascist (despite protests of some of the people on the site) and they do allow other behaviour that would get less moderate left wingers riled even though it's fictional (like fictional slavery).

It's no safe space but like the majority of otherwise neutral internet forums it likely has a large group of young left wing idealists still figuring out what they truly believe, some of them will drift further left, some towards the centre and others will end up right wing...but I've noticed everyone I know regardless of their current politics starts off their personal political experiences on the left wing.

I mean no-one's actually been banned from twitter for "wishing someone a white christmas" either, but OK.

Twitter is literally a fascist enabling site, so IDK what the fuck they're on about.

[Outer Sparta]

I mean no-one's actually been banned from twitter for "wishing someone a white christmas" either, but OK.

Twitter is literally a fascist enabling site, so IDK what the fuck they're on about.

And Facebook is more similar along the lines of 4chan or Parler. There's virtually zero moderation of anything that goes on there. At least NS has moderation standards but of course it's much smaller than the giant social media platforms where bots, misinformation, and other nasty stuff goes on.

[Nakena]

Twitter is literally a fascist enabling site, so IDK what the fuck they're on about.

No. It isn't. Most major far-right personas have been banned or ejected from Twitter long ago.

[Byzconia]

It seems like while moderation does try to be fair handed it does lean to the left, generally speaking though it's no Twitter, no one's getting banned here for wishing someone a white Christmas or for playing a fictional fascist (despite protests of some of the people on the site) and they do allow other behaviour that would get less moderate left wingers riled even though it's fictional (like fictional slavery).

It's no safe space but like the majority of otherwise neutral internet forums it likely has a large group of young left wing idealists still figuring out what they truly believe, some of them will drift further left, some towards the centre and others will end up right wing...but I've noticed everyone I know regardless of their current politics starts off their personal political experiences on the left wing.

I mean no-one's actually been banned from twitter for "wishing someone a white christmas" either, but OK.

I feel like they might've, but the "white" they were talking about wasn't referring to snow...

[Dominioan]

There is definitely a majority of left wingers in NSG though. I mean, look what ended up happening to the Anti-Socialism Thread

[Kexholm Karelia]

If NSG was a leftist safe space then I couldn’t be posting

[Fahran]

Twitter is literally a fascist enabling site, so IDK what the fuck they're on about.

No. It isn't. Most major far-right personas have been banned or ejected from Twitter long ago.

Yeah, Parler is the fascist social media app now. Twitter is the social media app that has [redacted to uphold the moratorium] and journos.

[West Leas Oros 2]

I’m a leftist, and yet the mods have gotten upset at me in the past. I’ve heard plenty of cases where leftists have been smacked.

Ultimately, nation states shouldn’t be biased against any position other than hateful and discriminatory ones, or other beliefs which ruin the fun for everyone else. Be it asshole tankies, Nazis, or any other. I will say that NS doesn’t take a strong enough stance against hateful bullshit directed against “acceptable targets”. Particularly, nations such as Cekoviu or Greater Malegron (to name a couple names) have promoted hateful ideologies (misandrism and black supremacy), and have gotten off relatively lightly. Some of the things they’ve said are downright against the rules. Mind you, if their posts were directed against, say, black people, they would have been DEATed by now. I call hypocrisy here. Hate has no place on NS. No exceptions.

[Vivolkha]

There is definitely a majority of left wingers in NSG though. I mean, look what ended up happening to the Anti-Socialism Thread

As somebody pointed out in that thread itself, OP is also a bit to blame here because of the lack of clear direction the thread suffered from.

[Fahran]

There is definitely a majority of left wingers in NSG though. I mean, look what ended up happening to the Anti-Socialism Thread

As somebody pointed out in that thread itself, OP is also a bit to blame here because of the lack of clear direction the thread suffered from.

An anti-socialism thread is one of those threads that is going to attract a lot of people with related or opposing paradigms by virtue of its very nature. Kinda like how the Nagorno-Karabakh thread had a bunch of Turkish nationalists posting in it within a couple days. Worse, an anti-socialism thread is pretty much prime real estate for a perpetual, unwinnable debate since nobody has ever given up socialism after a debate to my knowledge.

[Byzconia]

As somebody pointed out in that thread itself, OP is also a bit to blame here because of the lack of clear direction the thread suffered from.

An anti-socialism thread is one of those threads that is going to attract a lot of people with related or opposing paradigms by virtue of its very nature. Kinda like how the Nagorno-Karabakh thread had a bunch of Turkish nationalists posting in it within a couple days. Worse, an anti-socialism thread is pretty much prime real estate for a perpetual, unwinnable debate since nobody has ever given up socialism after a debate to my knowledge.

Not a debate, but my many debates with people on socialism eventually contributed to me not being a socialist anymore.