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Postby Duvniask » Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:23 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:If you get multiple people posting frivolous reports against you as a campaign of harassment then based on my interpretation of the rules that in and of itself is actually rulebreaking on their part. But I have not seen that happen before, so your concern is unwarranted.


Weeeellll... remember Hippostania? Something like what you stated kinda happened to him. Some posters really went hard after Hippo. But I don’t remember particulars. Not sure if relevant at all in the end but this has happened before.

People went after him because he did not engage in good faith, and afaik the mods ruled multiple times that he was trolling.
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Postby Vashty » Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:23 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
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Bilbo Baggins, anti-fascist partisan hero

Step aside Tito


Sauron was def a Left-Wing Authortarian

diverse followers under his crushing fist.

Bilbo Baggins was a hobbit reactionary comrade



pretty sure wanting to rid the earth of men is genocidal tendencies


back on topic, NS is just kind of a safe space for everyone except for the people who don't want it to be so inclusive to my mind
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:28 pm

Duvniask wrote:
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Weeeellll... remember Hippostania? Something like what you stated kinda happened to him. Some posters really went hard after Hippo. But I don’t remember particulars. Not sure if relevant at all in the end but this has happened before.

People went after him because he did not engage in good faith, and afaik the mods ruled multiple times that he was trolling.


Sure, never said he didn’t, but it was a campaign to get him to leave. Was he DOSd, or he just stopped posting?
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Postby Daves Computer » Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:30 pm

Vashty wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
Sauron was def a Left-Wing Authortarian

diverse followers under his crushing fist.

Bilbo Baggins was a hobbit reactionary comrade



pretty sure wanting to rid the earth of men is genocidal tendencies


back on topic, NS is just kind of a safe space for everyone except for the people who don't want it to be so inclusive to my mind


I can generally agree with that. Though I see it more as there are several safe spaces dotted around the forums and regions that cater to certain ideologies, like fascist regions which cater towards fascist ideologies. These safe spaces include their RMBs, offsite discords, and certain forum threads which attract like-minded people. Though, depending on the ideology, communities outside their safe space may decry them. But rarely are their designated safe spaces threatened or raided.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:33 pm

Daves Computer wrote:
Vashty wrote:

pretty sure wanting to rid the earth of men is genocidal tendencies


back on topic, NS is just kind of a safe space for everyone except for the people who don't want it to be so inclusive to my mind


I can generally agree with that. Though I see it more as there are several safe spaces dotted around the forums and regions that cater to certain ideologies, like fascist regions which cater towards fascist ideologies. These safe spaces include their RMBs, offsite discords, and certain forum threads which attract like-minded people. Though, depending on the ideology, communities outside their safe space may decry them. But rarely are their designated safe spaces threatened or raided.


There used to be a rape thread on NSG that for a time was deemed a safe space by mods. But iirc that was done to protect those speaking about their experiences and the OP’s. The thread was eventually locked.
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Postby Daves Computer » Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:34 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
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I can generally agree with that. Though I see it more as there are several safe spaces dotted around the forums and regions that cater to certain ideologies, like fascist regions which cater towards fascist ideologies. These safe spaces include their RMBs, offsite discords, and certain forum threads which attract like-minded people. Though, depending on the ideology, communities outside their safe space may decry them. But rarely are their designated safe spaces threatened or raided.


There used to be a rape thread on NSG that for a time was deemed a safe space by mods. But iirc that was done to protect those speaking about their experiences and the OP’s. The thread was eventually locked.


I'm unfamiliar. Could you provide more context as to what the purpose of that thread was and why it was eventually locked?

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:39 pm

Daves Computer wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
There used to be a rape thread on NSG that for a time was deemed a safe space by mods. But iirc that was done to protect those speaking about their experiences and the OP’s. The thread was eventually locked.


I'm unfamiliar. Could you provide more context as to what the purpose of that thread was and why it was eventually locked?


Poster at the time shared experience having been raped and shared certain aspects of the case. Others offered support or talked about their own experiences, social stigmas, rape culture... a bunch of other related topics.

As for why it was locked, I can’t recall nor can I find the thread in question. Sorry. It may have been moved to the locker to protect identities and info shared. Part of the reasoning to deem a safe space, iirc, was for better moderation.

My point is that safe spaces have had a place in the forum but never permanently and the continued existence of threads that attract particular groups usually involves how those using the threads behave.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:24 pm

Considering that we still have a fair sized right wing community, I'm gonna have to say no. And why is this thread so huge?
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Postby Smith jones » Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:26 pm

I’d say not, it definitely has a large left wing community though

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Postby Gurkha Nepal » Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:27 pm

I don t know about the forums but the regions are pretty evenly split. Currently the left wing regions have the most control and influence over the World Assembly, but that order changes every one or two years
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Yes. This game is like around 65-75% leftist so yes.
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Postby Utceforp » Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:28 pm

Short answer: No.

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Postby New haven america » Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:29 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:If you get multiple people posting frivolous reports against you as a campaign of harassment then based on my interpretation of the rules that in and of itself is actually rulebreaking on their part. But I have not seen that happen before, so your concern is unwarranted.


Weeeellll... remember Hippostania? Something like what you stated kinda happened to him. Some posters really went hard after Hippo. But I don’t remember particulars. Not sure if relevant at all in the end but this has happened before.

That's cause Hippo was constantly breaking rules, not arguing in good faith, and stereotyping.
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Postby Romextly » Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:30 pm

Utceforp wrote:Short answer: No.

No.

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Postby Ghost Land » Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:40 pm

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Nazeroth wrote:Put a Swatstika up and a Hammer and Sickle Up and see who get's banned, their is your answer

but even the mods have to maintain the facade of "fairness" from time to time.


lmao, post something antisemitic and racist, and then post ACAB, see what gets taken down first. If anything, this site is a safespace for fash and the far right, it's unbelievable there are still fash who can't even stay within the incredibly loose rules of this site.

I'd imagine it would be quite hard to express openly antisemitic or racist views without eventually running into trouble with the "no "all X are Y"" rule. Even a basic racist-type comment like "I believe black people to be inferior to white people" easily becomes, within a normal person's interpretation, "Black people, taken as a monolithic group, are inherently inferior to white people," or in other words, "all black people are <insert negative attribute>." (No, I don't actually believe black people to be inferior to white people; it's 100% an example used to make my point.)

As for the "ACAB" ("all cops are bastards") comment, the problem isn't necessarily that it's criticizing police. I haven't seen anything within rules that states you're not allowed to criticize police, or any other group for that matter. It's because, right down to the literal way it's stated, it's an "all X are Y". "Police brutality is an issue that should be addressed" =/= "all cops are bastards."

I would strongly disagree that this site is a safe space for fascists and far-rightists. I'm nowhere near either and anecdotally I feel a strong lean to the left in the NSG user base and even in some moderators' rulings. I tend to find that increasing extremism is correlated with shorter tenure on this site, as the radicals either find themselves unable to conduct themselves within the rules, or get bored and leave after being dogpiled against too much.
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Postby Northwest Slobovia » Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:00 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Daves Computer wrote:
I'm unfamiliar. Could you provide more context as to what the purpose of that thread was and why it was eventually locked?


Poster at the time shared experience having been raped and shared certain aspects of the case. Others offered support or talked about their own experiences, social stigmas, rape culture... a bunch of other related topics.

As for why it was locked, I can’t recall nor can I find the thread in question. Sorry. It may have been moved to the locker to protect identities and info shared. Part of the reasoning to deem a safe space, iirc, was for better moderation.

It was hiding in plain sight. When it was locked, Kat said:
Katganistan wrote:You're correct: it was closed because we do not wish to be liable/responsible for the mental/emotional damage that trolling comments can cause in such a sensitive topic. As it had not been posted in for three weeks, it seemed like a good and natural place for it to end.
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Postby Daves Computer » Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:15 pm

Northwest Slobovia wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Poster at the time shared experience having been raped and shared certain aspects of the case. Others offered support or talked about their own experiences, social stigmas, rape culture... a bunch of other related topics.

As for why it was locked, I can’t recall nor can I find the thread in question. Sorry. It may have been moved to the locker to protect identities and info shared. Part of the reasoning to deem a safe space, iirc, was for better moderation.

It was hiding in plain sight. When it was locked, Kat said:
Katganistan wrote:You're correct: it was closed because we do not wish to be liable/responsible for the mental/emotional damage that trolling comments can cause in such a sensitive topic. As it had not been posted in for three weeks, it seemed like a good and natural place for it to end.

Oh, that's unfortunate. I haven't looked into or participated in that thread but if there were several trolling comments throughout the thread, then I suppose I can understand where the mods are coming from. Though, because it is such a sensitive topic wherein victims may find relief in discussing with others who can understand what they're going through, it is so much more vital for a safe space/welcoming and thoughtful community to be made for that area. But if the current capacity of moderation and common decency cannot discourage trolling and harassment there, it could ultimately undo the meritorious effect of a safe space.

Thank you both for bringing to light this thread and why it was ultimately locked.
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Postby Saiwania » Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:37 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:There used to be a rape thread on NSG that for a time was deemed a safe space by mods. But iirc that was done to protect those speaking about their experiences and the OP’s. The thread was eventually locked.


Yes, I vaguely remember it. How incredibly naive I was back then. I've changed to where I feel far differently on the issue.

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Postby Cordel One » Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:42 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
Cordel One wrote:If you want to view it with that little nuance, I guess.


Eyeroll.


we get it your a radical leftist who likes to pretend that " OH we get shit canned too"

I'm fine, I don't have a victim complex about it but this definitely isn't a leftist space.

Nazeroth wrote:sure, but you cannot deny the bent is most definatley in the Left's favor.

I can and will do exactly that.
Nazeroth wrote:"nuance" shouldn't matter, literally at all if were talking about "fairness" in treatment.

It really should. Opposites are not equal.

Nazeroth wrote:if your letting radical "right-wing" symbols be banned or outright not tolerated the same should be said for extremist left-wing material, but that is not the case.

See above. People also forget a lot of the rightist presence left when the RWDT and LWDT were banned.
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Postby Cordel One » Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:50 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
Vashty wrote:
Bilbo Baggins, anti-fascist partisan hero

Step aside Tito


Sauron was def a Left-Wing Authortarian

Sauron was an authright supremacist with a strong belief in hierarchies.

Nazeroth wrote:diverse followers under his crushing fist.

Only monsters who preyed on races they saw as inferior.

Nazeroth wrote:Bilbo Baggins was a hobbit reactionary comrade

Bilbo Baggins was an anti-authoritarian with little else to his ideology. He couldn't see a world better than the status quo.
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Postby Byzconia » Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:55 pm

No. People love to shout "bias" everytime the mods bust them for rulebreaking, but that ain't it, chief. Plenty of leftists on the site claim the mods have a bias for right-wingers. The mods are hated by people on both sides of the spectrums, which to me sounds like they must be doing a damn good job. Personally, I was smacked down by the mods more when I was a leftist than I am now when I'm not one, so if there is bias they sure as shit never showed any to me (not that I'd want them to, anyway).
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Postby Byzconia » Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:10 pm

Nazeroth wrote:Put a Swatstika up and a Hammer and Sickle Up and see who get's banned, their is your answer

but even the mods have to maintain the facade of "fairness" from time to time.

Nazism (as represented by the Swastika), as an ideology, requires you to believe in racial supremacy and genocide. Communism (as represented by the hammer and sickle), as an ideology, does not. Being a Nazi (or, in the modern age, neo-Nazi) literally requires you to believe that Hitler and Nazi Germany were 100% in the right and did nothing wrong (because, again, genocide and enslavement of "inferior races" is the core of Nazi ideology). That's why the Swastika is banned.

Communism doesn't have that same issue, hence why there are so many Communists who dislike the USSR/PRC/whoever and decry them as "not real communism" or whatever. Because there's plenty of wiggle room within communist ideology to argue that the things communist regimes have done are wrong from a communist perspective. Communism is a pretty diverse ideological label.

That's the short answer.
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Postby Daves Computer » Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:18 pm

Byzconia wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:Put a Swatstika up and a Hammer and Sickle Up and see who get's banned, their is your answer

but even the mods have to maintain the facade of "fairness" from time to time.

Nazism (as represented by the Swastika), as an ideology, requires you to believe in racial supremacy and genocide. Communism (as represented by the hammer and sickle), as an ideology, does not. Being a Nazi (or, in the modern age, neo-Nazi) literally requires you to believe that Hitler and Nazi Germany were 100% in the right and did nothing wrong (because, again, genocide and enslavement of "inferior races" is the core of Nazi ideology). That's why the Swastika is banned.

Communism doesn't have that same issue, hence why there are so many Communists who dislike the USSR/PRC/whoever and decry them as "not real communism" or whatever. Because there's plenty of wiggle room within communist ideology to argue that the things communist regimes have done are wrong from a communist perspective. Communism is a pretty diverse ideological label.

That's the short answer.


True. Nazism is a philosophy which touts genocide, eugenics, and overall horrid ideals. Communism is an economic philosophy that doesn't advocate for anything as depraved as Nazism. Many critics of communism, however, confuse the moral indecencies and downright depravity of regimes which supposedly practice communism as a reflection of the economic philosophy.

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