[Discussion] ACAB as "all X are Y" trolling

[Ethel mermania]

Agreed, that's the crux of the argument in that regard: there is no need to resort to such blanket slurs about an entire group.

"blanket slurs"

Bruh what slurs, calling Cops bastards isn't a slur.
On the other hand, calling protected minorities (who by the way, did not choose to be that way) slurs, ehh... notta very gooda.

are leftists a protected group?

[Servilis]

Yeah and I couldn't care any less about the mundane ramblings of a bootlicker like yourself.

Ah yes, being sensible is equal to being a bootlicker. Genius argument.

Being Sensible =/= blindly following rules without questioning them




This is the equivalent of a white gamer calling himself a "rational thinker who refuses to bend to the woke left"

[Servilis]

"blanket slurs"

Bruh what slurs, calling Cops bastards isn't a slur.
On the other hand, calling protected minorities (who by the way, did not choose to be that way) slurs, ehh... notta very gooda.

are leftists a protected group?

Where did I say anything about Leftists here, I was talking about minorities, not ideological groups.

[Picairn]

Being Sensible =/= blindly following rules without questioning them




This is the equivalent of a white gamer calling himself a "rational thinker who refuses to bend to the woke left"

I see no harm in punishing people who actively troll and insult to rile other people up. In fact, it's good because the rules prevent NSG from turning into 4chan. You got a problem with that?

[The New California Republic]

Agreed, that's the crux of the argument in that regard: there is no need to resort to such blanket slurs about an entire group.

"blanket slurs"

Bruh what slurs, calling Cops bastards isn't a slur.
On the other hand, calling protected minorities (who by the way, did not choose to be that way) slurs, ehh... notta very gooda.

Sorry but calling someone/a group "bastard/bastards" is a slur.

[Servilis]

"blanket slurs"

Bruh what slurs, calling Cops bastards isn't a slur.
On the other hand, calling protected minorities (who by the way, did not choose to be that way) slurs, ehh... notta very gooda.

There are good cops who served the communities well. You are engaging in blanket slurs by saying "all cops are bastards".

And there are bad cops who walk into a persons home without knocking and then proceed to murder them, what is your point here.

[Ethel mermania]

I’m not but whatever mate I don’t really care for the opinions of a LibLeft. Especially one who demands special treatment

Yeah and I couldn't care any less about the mundane ramblings of a bootlicker like yourself.

Ahh insults when logic fails, so typical.

[Feyrisshire]

It's pretty much clear that ACAB is an eloquent rhetorical phrase which is succinctly worded so as to highlight and protest injustices and abuses against the police. OP has even made it further clearer by saying that it's been a phrase long-used by leftist groups as political rhetoric. If you would interpret ACAB as literally saying that all cops are bastards i.e all cops are bad individuals then you're either (willfully) ignoring the wider point or misconstruing it to a ridiculous strawman.

It's a bit telling of a double standard when subtle wordings that would technically qualify as "All X are Y" are simply ignored, while this phrase which attacks the status quo is so targeted.

[Nova Vandalia]

It's is a brief summary of that with over 40 years of criticism towards the institution behind the phrase, so it is quite vastly different considering it's history of use in Anarchist Protests, and anti-police protests. You're saying that 40 years of the meaning should be disregarded, which is ludicrous and only seeks to push one side of this narrative, which shows that you're I'm trying to neutral stance is complete bull.

Oh give it a rest. It’s trolling. Take it or leave it. No amount of whining is going to change it. Just do what the rest of us do and show your disapproval without resorting to trolling.

If that’s too hard well then you need to find a new place to hang out

I like how you're telling me to leave as though this thread wasn't meant to be a debate out this exact subject. You're really good at understanding what a forum is for, and this is meant explicit as a compliment and no other way. I don't want this statement to be taken sarcastically, which it shouldn't be any way since understanding outside context is not allowable in making moderator decisions.

[Servilis]

"blanket slurs"

Bruh what slurs, calling Cops bastards isn't a slur.
On the other hand, calling protected minorities (who by the way, did not choose to be that way) slurs, ehh... notta very gooda.

Sorry but calling someone/a group "bastard/bastards" is a slur.

No it isn't, and I'm serious here. The meaning of "bastard" has shifted, the same way "gay" has shifted.

Hath gone from an insult for anybody who was born out of wedlock, to an insult used in the general context.

[Picairn]

And there are bad cops who walk into a persons home without knocking and then proceed to murder them, what is your point here.

The existence of bad cops doesn't negate the existence of good cops, therefore blanket slurs is bad. What's so hard to comprehend that simple fact?

[Ethel mermania]

are leftists a protected group?

Where did I say anything about Leftists here, I was talking about minorities, not ideological groups.

so all leftists are morons, is just as a legitimate Arguement as all cops are bastards?

[Servilis]

Yeah and I couldn't care any less about the mundane ramblings of a bootlicker like yourself.

Ahh insults when logic fails, so typical.

My friend if you think that's only a thing Leftists do then I would insist you check on all the Right Wingers I've argued with.

You'd be surprised.

[Thermodolia]

There are good cops who served the communities well. You are engaging in blanket slurs by saying "all cops are bastards".

And there are bad cops who walk into a persons home without knocking and then proceed to murder them, what is your point here.

The fact that there are bad cops doesn’t mean all cops are bad. It’s the same for all groups

[Servilis]

Where did I say anything about Leftists here, I was talking about minorities, not ideological groups.

so all leftists are morons, is just as a legitimate Arguement as all cops are bastards?

Yes.

[Picairn]

It's pretty much clear that ACAB is an eloquent rhetorical phrase which is succinctly worded so as to highlight and protest injustices and abuses against the police. OP has even made it further clearer by saying that it's been a phrase long-used by leftist groups as political rhetoric. If you would interpret ACAB as literally saying that all cops are bastards i.e all cops are bad individuals then you're either (willfully) ignoring the wider point or misconstruing it to a ridiculous strawman.

It's a bit telling of a double standard when subtle wordings that would technically qualify as "All X are Y" are simply ignored, while this phrase which attacks the status quo is so targeted.

"But Traditions!" and Whataboutism don't help your case. Get new defense materials.

[The New California Republic]

Sorry but calling someone/a group "bastard/bastards" is a slur.

No it isn't, and I'm serious here. The meaning of "bastard" has shifted, the same way "gay" has shifted.

Hath gone from an insult for anybody who was born out of wedlock, to an insult used in the general context.

You just admitted that it is a slur.

[Ethel mermania]

It's pretty much clear that ACAB is an eloquent rhetorical phrase which is succinctly worded so as to highlight and protest injustices and abuses against the police. OP has even made it further clearer by saying that it's been a phrase long-used by leftist groups as political rhetoric. If you would interpret ACAB as literally saying that all cops are bastards i.e all cops are bad individuals then you're either (willfully) ignoring the wider point or misconstruing it to a ridiculous strawman.

It's a bit telling of a double standard when subtle wordings that would technically qualify as "All X are Y" are simply ignored, while this phrase which attacks the status quo is so targeted.

We are good with all leftists are morons then?

[Picairn]

Yes.

I admire your consistency, but I don't want NSG to turn into a flamefest.

[Servilis]

And there are bad cops who walk into a persons home without knocking and then proceed to murder them, what is your point here.

The fact that there are bad cops doesn’t mean all cops are bad. It’s the same for all groups

The phrase "All Cops Are Bad" doesn't literally mean "All Cops, Yes My Friend, All Cops, Are Bad".
It's a phrase that jabs at police brutality.
It takes a general look at how much power police are given over their fellow citizens, and how much they abuse it.

[Servilis]

Yes.

I admire your consistency, but I don't want NSG to turn into a flamefest.

I admire your wish for Pacifism, but I genuinely dislike being forced to be civil.
It is within my nature to go absolutely feral.

How else would I return to monke

[Servilis]

It's pretty much clear that ACAB is an eloquent rhetorical phrase which is succinctly worded so as to highlight and protest injustices and abuses against the police. OP has even made it further clearer by saying that it's been a phrase long-used by leftist groups as political rhetoric. If you would interpret ACAB as literally saying that all cops are bastards i.e all cops are bad individuals then you're either (willfully) ignoring the wider point or misconstruing it to a ridiculous strawman.

It's a bit telling of a double standard when subtle wordings that would technically qualify as "All X are Y" are simply ignored, while this phrase which attacks the status quo is so targeted.

We are good with all leftists are morons then?

TAKE A WILD GUESS, BUDDY.

[Picairn]

The phrase "All Cops Are Bad" doesn't literally mean "All Cops, Yes My Friend, All Cops, Are Bad".
It's a phrase that jabs at police brutality.
It takes a general look at how much power police are given over their fellow citizens, and how much they abuse it.

What is this semantic mental gymnastics? "All Cops Are Bad" is a textbook case of "All X are Y", with the same formula and construct.

[Ethel mermania]

so all leftists are morons, is just as a legitimate Arguement as all cops are bastards?

Yes.

ok, fair.

I think both should be banned as neither is conducive to a healthy conversation. That said I appreciate your consistency.

[Feyrisshire]

It's pretty much clear that ACAB is an eloquent rhetorical phrase which is succinctly worded so as to highlight and protest injustices and abuses against the police. OP has even made it further clearer by saying that it's been a phrase long-used by leftist groups as political rhetoric. If you would interpret ACAB as literally saying that all cops are bastards i.e all cops are bad individuals then you're either (willfully) ignoring the wider point or misconstruing it to a ridiculous strawman.

It's a bit telling of a double standard when subtle wordings that would technically qualify as "All X are Y" are simply ignored, while this phrase which attacks the status quo is so targeted.

We are good with all leftists are morons then?

This is just non sequitur since there is simply no coherent point to be made with that phrase.