[Discussion] ACAB as "all X are Y" trolling

[Servilis]

yeah, except, we're not going to do what the rest of you do.
because we're Leftists, not Centrists.
if we don't like something, we try to change it.
it's going to take a lot more than that to convince us to give up.

Good luck trying to change it... Mods have made it pretty clear they're not going to change the rule.

And I've made it pretty clear that I'm not going to stop trying to change it.

What is not clicking my friend.

[Thermodolia]

Oh give it a rest. It’s trolling. Take it or leave it. No amount of whining is going to change it. Just do what the rest of us do and show your disapproval without resorting to trolling.

If that’s too hard well then you need to find a new place to hang out

yeah, except, we're not going to do what the rest of you do.
because we're Leftists, not Centrists.
if we don't like something, we try to change it.
it's going to take a lot more than that to convince us to give up.

Hahahah

I’m no centrist buddy. I’m a full blown leftist. I just follow the rules here instead of demanding special treatment

[Thermodolia]

If that is a political phrase than everything is political.

That makes as much sense as saying "if a tomato is a fruit then everything is a fruit".

ACAB is only there to incite it does nothing else. But of course because your a left libertarian you think the only way to success is pissing off everyone else

[Ethel mermania]

It doesn't make a difference if it's intended as a political statement or not. It's by the most literal definition an "all X are Y" comment.

All
Cops = X group
Are
Bastards = Y negative thing

I don't see how this could be the slightest bit unclear.

I absolutely does make a difference if we're not letting our mods be guided by context and telling them every single thing must be judged without the context of the world, then to put it plainly my friend, the entire forum should be banned.

Also if that all this boils down to, then we can't criticize any group in a negative light is what you're suggesting by the ridiculous measure you proposed above?

Doesn't mean it's acceptable on the forums.

Strong argument there my friend, my argument is that it should be because of the context.

No.

Then it shouldn't be banned plain and simple

The intent is different, so no.

The intent may be different but the statement is harmful. Tell George Floyd's family all cops are heros, tell that to Rayshard Brooks, Daniel Prude, Breonna Taylor, Atatiana Jefferson.

What this is is blatantly seeking to silence criticisms of an institution, it's not difference than saying Don't criticize America or The Church.

No it isn't, you can criticize the methods of policing without calling all cops bastards.

Just like folks on the right can criticize the ideologies of the left without saying all leftists are morons.

[Thermodolia]

Fair enough.

However the mods have clearly stated it won’t change

That won't stop us from trying to change it, mate. As I've said, Leftists are extremists, not moderates.

Congratulations on not knowing that all the people you’ve been arguing against are leftists

[Servilis]

yeah, except, we're not going to do what the rest of you do.
because we're Leftists, not Centrists.
if we don't like something, we try to change it.
it's going to take a lot more than that to convince us to give up.

Hahahah

I’m no centrist buddy. I’m a full blown leftist. I just follow the rules here instead of demanding special treatment

That is the inverse of "I'm not a *insert ideology here*, I'm a Classical Liberal"

[The Reformed American Republic]

yeah, except, we're not going to do what the rest of you do.
because we're Leftists, not Centrists.
if we don't like something, we try to change it.
it's going to take a lot more than that to convince us to give up.

Hahahah

I’m no centrist buddy. I’m a full blown leftist. I just follow the rules here instead of demanding special treatment

And the police can be called out here within the rules, which most leftists here do. Only the ones who don't want to follow the rules get smacked here often.

Hahahah

I’m no centrist buddy. I’m a full blown leftist. I just follow the rules here instead of demanding special treatment

That is the inverse of "I'm not a *insert ideology here*, I'm a Classical Liberal"

Therm is a socialist who wants capitalism abolished.

[Servilis]

That won't stop us from trying to change it, mate. As I've said, Leftists are extremists, not moderates.

Congratulations on not knowing that all the people you’ve been arguing against are leftists

Being a Titoist Cultural Nationalist doesn't make you a Leftist.

And by the way, the word you're looking for is National Titoist, which btw, like NazBols, is not Leftist as it is Economically Left Wing and Socially Right Wing.

[Ethel mermania]

Good luck trying to change it... Mods have made it pretty clear they're not going to change the rule.

And I've made it pretty clear that I'm not going to stop trying to change it.

What is not clicking my friend.

as long as you are consistent and also advocate for "all leftists are morons" as well. I would argue they are both trolling, but you should at least be consistent

[Thermodolia]

Hahahah

I’m no centrist buddy. I’m a full blown leftist. I just follow the rules here instead of demanding special treatment

That is the inverse of "I'm not a *insert ideology here*, I'm a Classical Liberal"

I’m a fucking Titoist. I just follow the rules of this site. There’s been several times I’d like to say more extreme things but the rules of this site prohibit it

[Servilis]

Hahahah

I’m no centrist buddy. I’m a full blown leftist. I just follow the rules here instead of demanding special treatment

And the police can be called out here within the rules, which most leftists here do. Only the ones who don't want to follow the rules get smacked here often.

That is the inverse of "I'm not a *insert ideology here*, I'm a Classical Liberal"

Therm is a socialist who wants capitalism abolished.

"Only the ones who don't want to follow the rules get smacked here often."

How is that going to change my opinion or method of doing so?

[The New California Republic]

No it isn't, you can criticize the methods of policing without calling all cops bastards.

Just like folks on the right can criticize the ideologies of the left without saying all leftists are morons.

Agreed, that's the crux of the argument in that regard: there is no need to resort to such blanket slurs about an entire group.

[Servilis]

That is the inverse of "I'm not a *insert ideology here*, I'm a Classical Liberal"

I’m a fucking Titoist. I just follow the rules of this site. There’s been several times I’d like to say more extreme things but the rules of this site prohibit it

Yeah, but you're not a Leftist.
You're a NatTito, and that's as far as you'll get.

[Thermodolia]

Congratulations on not knowing that all the people you’ve been arguing against are leftists

Being a Titoist Cultural Nationalist doesn't make you a Leftist.

And by the way, the word you're looking for is National Titoist, which btw, like NazBols, is not Leftist as it is Economically Left Wing and Socially Right Wing.

No that’s not the word I’m looking for because yet again I’m not socially right wing.

But hey it looks like you can’t figure out what things are so what do I care

[Picairn]

It's is a brief summary of that with over 40 years of criticism towards the institution behind the phrase, so it is quite vastly different considering it's history of use in Anarchist Protests, and anti-police protests. You're saying that 40 years of the meaning should be disregarded, which is ludicrous and only seeks to push one side of this narrative, which shows that you're I'm trying to neutral stance is complete bull.

Flaming (insulting other people) is as old as humanity itself, yet it's still not okay. "But Traditions!" doesn't excuse "All X are Y" trolling.

[Thermodolia]

I’m a fucking Titoist. I just follow the rules of this site. There’s been several times I’d like to say more extreme things but the rules of this site prohibit it

Yeah, but you're not a Leftist.
You're a NatTito, and that's as far as you'll get.

I’m not but whatever mate I don’t really care for the opinions of a LibLeft. Especially one who demands special treatment

[Servilis]

No it isn't, you can criticize the methods of policing without calling all cops bastards.

Just like folks on the right can criticize the ideologies of the left without saying all leftists are morons.

Agreed, that's the crux of the argument in that regard: there is no need to resort to such blanket slurs about an entire group.

"blanket slurs"

Bruh what slurs, calling Cops bastards isn't a slur.
On the other hand, calling protected minorities (who by the way, did not choose to be that way) slurs, ehh... notta very gooda.

[Servilis]

Yeah, but you're not a Leftist.
You're a NatTito, and that's as far as you'll get.

I’m not but whatever mate I don’t really care for the opinions of a LibLeft. Especially one who demands special treatment

Yeah and I couldn't care any less about the mundane ramblings of a bootlicker like yourself.

[Picairn]

"blanket slurs"

Bruh what slurs, calling Cops bastards isn't a slur.
On the other hand, calling protected minorities (who by the way, did not choose to be that way) slurs, ehh... notta very gooda.

There are good cops who served the communities well. You are engaging in blanket slurs by saying "all cops are bastards".

[Ethel mermania]

No it isn't, you can criticize the methods of policing without calling all cops bastards.

Just like folks on the right can criticize the ideologies of the left without saying all leftists are morons.

Agreed, that's the crux of the argument in that regard: there is no need to resort to such blanket slurs about an entire group.

For what it is worth, I do give credit to the site ownership for fighting the battle of trying to keep it civil.

[The New California Republic]

It's is a brief summary of that with over 40 years of criticism towards the institution behind the phrase, so it is quite vastly different considering it's history of use in Anarchist Protests, and anti-police protests. You're saying that 40 years of the meaning should be disregarded, which is ludicrous and only seeks to push one side of this narrative, which shows that you're I'm trying to neutral stance is complete bull.

Flaming (insulting other people) is as old as humanity itself, yet it's still not okay. "But Traditions!" doesn't excuse "All X are Y" trolling.

Yes, for instance if "all gays are diseased" had been in common use in some circles since the 1980's then it'd still fall foul of the rules as written on trolling.

For what it is worth, I do give credit to the site ownership for fighting the battle of trying to keep it civil.

Yes definitely, it's difficult to navigate the tempest that the forums generate but they have done it well.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Agreed, that's the crux of the argument in that regard: there is no need to resort to such blanket slurs about an entire group.

"blanket slurs"

Bruh what slurs, calling Cops bastards isn't a slur.
On the other hand, calling protected minorities (who by the way, did not choose to be that way) slurs, ehh... notta very gooda.

Yes it is. "Bastard" is a slur for an illegitimate child.

[Thermodolia]

Agreed, that's the crux of the argument in that regard: there is no need to resort to such blanket slurs about an entire group.

"blanket slurs"

Bruh what slurs, calling Cops bastards isn't a slur.
On the other hand, calling protected minorities (who by the way, did not choose to be that way) slurs, ehh... notta very gooda.

Calling anyone who literally isn’t a bastard is a slur and an insult and you can’t do that here.

Like I said before if you can’t handle that go somewhere else

[Picairn]

Yeah and I couldn't care any less about the mundane ramblings of a bootlicker like yourself.

Ah yes, being sensible is equal to being a bootlicker. Genius argument.

[Servilis]

It's is a brief summary of that with over 40 years of criticism towards the institution behind the phrase, so it is quite vastly different considering it's history of use in Anarchist Protests, and anti-police protests. You're saying that 40 years of the meaning should be disregarded, which is ludicrous and only seeks to push one side of this narrative, which shows that you're I'm trying to neutral stance is complete bull.

Flaming (insulting other people) is as old as humanity itself, yet it's still not okay. "But Traditions!" doesn't excuse "All X are Y" trolling.

Nobody said anything about traditions, all we ever said was that not being allowed to say "ACAB" is kind of, I dunno, stupid...
If a Confederate gets to exclaim that black nationalists be deported to Africa and can get away with it.

Then the moderators logic doesn't add up.