[R]Armenia-Azerbaijan Conflict: Here We Go Again

[The Archregimancy]

A buffer zone won’t end the lite-Naziism in Baku.

THe is trying to insult people living in Baku by calling them Nazis

My personal opinion
I think the issue should be locked for a while. I get upset when I see such racist statements.

I believe that this may be a misunderstanding over English usage.

English-speakers often use the capital city of a nation as shorthand for a country's government. So they might also write 'Moscow is up to no good', 'Washington is full of corruption', or 'Canberra upset China' when they're actually criticising the governments of Russia, the USA, and Australia rather than the people who live in those cities

The post cited above is not, therefore, claiming that people living in Baku are Nazis, but rather that the Azerbaijani government is practicing 'lite-Nazism'. So this is strongly phrased criticism of a government rather than the characterisation of a people, ethnic group, or residents of a specific city.

[Albionist Great Britain]

THe is trying to insult people living in Baku by calling them Nazis

My personal opinion
I think the issue should be locked for a while. I get upset when I see such racist statements.

I believe that this may be a misunderstanding over English usage.

English-speakers often use the capital city of a nation as shorthand for a country's government. So they might also write 'Moscow is up to no good', 'Washington is full of corruption', or 'Canberra upset China' when they're actually criticising the governments of Russia, the USA, and Australia rather than the people who live in those cities

The post cited above is not, therefore, claiming that people living in Baku are Nazis, but rather that the Azerbaijani government is practicing 'lite-Nazism'. So this is strongly phrased criticism of a government rather than the characterisation of a people, ethnic group, or residents of a specific city.

Aye. I was using ‘Baku’ to refer to the Azerbaijani government and/or state apparatus, and as a function of personal opposition to or disbelief in Azerbaijani statehood (as Danelaw does), but in this case and primarily it was for the first reason.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Indeed. The world is not black vs white, just different shades of dark grey. But it is fair to not Armenians are at greater risk, given their disadvantageous position. Being most at risk does not mean their government is always good though.

The Azeri government may be racist pieces of garbage but the Azeri civilians don't deserve to die. Innocent people are being blown to bits and the world is once again silent.

Humiliation

[New Visayan Islands]

...and dispense some indiscriminate justice!

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Locked pending trawl, stand by.
HHDI also gets a *** warning for spamming Moderation and Mods as Weapons. *** Moderation is not where you go to report a post just because you don't like what it says. If a post is actionable, by all means report, but at this point it's coming off as you wanting us at Moderation to warn anyone who doesn't agree with you.

Now that we got everything out of the way, thread unlocked.[/color][/b]

Thanks!
NVI

I'm not sure I understand, but shouldn't I report it when I see something out of the rules ? I'm waiting for an explanation. I realized that I should never share my thoughts on the forum again.

I guess you're warning me just because I'm Turkish oh my god it's terrible

[Lamoni]

Appeal denied.

We are not warning you for reporting rule breaking posts, we are warning you for spamming moderation with reports against anyone who disagrees with you, and how it has reached the level of spam.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Hey id thought id bump this thread as id like to report Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum for trolling. In particular their constant anti-Armenian posts throughout the Nagorno Karabakh conflict thread, often making sweeping comments about Armenia as a whole (not the government) such as labelling them terrorists, fascists etc as well as their response and conduct in the thread to multiple users including myself, where they have often (and without basis) accused people of racism, simply for disagreeing with them or holding views they disagree with or even have pulled out of thin air. These are only some examples but you can find more throughout the thread by just looking through it.

Here is the latest example for example, saying Armenia is an anti-semetic nation that operates on "Nazi Policy" with no evidence whatsoever to back this up except a random wikipedia article about a unit of Armenian soldiers who fought for the Nazis in ww2. This one in particular has caused me to make this post as they have went to moderation for similar comments being made about Azerbaijan in this thread and it is completely baseless and pathetic.

Anti-Semitism is a common thing in Armenia because the policy of the Armenian government is Nazi policy. This is why Armenia cannot agree with any state around it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenische_Legion

Here they are obviously (in my opinion) referring to Armenia as "Terrorists":

It is really good news that the unifying forces in the region are in effect, I hope the peace will be forever. I see no reason for the Turkish government not to cooperate with Russia in Syria. Step by step new Sadabat Pact against terrorists

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Here they refer to me and two other users of being "Turkophobic", and as far as i am concerned their comments about "Fascists who want the war to continue" are directed at me and these other users quoted here as well.

Cut the shit already

Armenia has and never had anything to apologise for. Cut the shit, we all know who the real fascists are: the Turks. Every action taken to disempower the Turks is justified, if it were even happening in the first place, which it unfortunately isn’t.

You're the last person to have any right to talk against fascism after shilling for Baku and Turkey in this very thread lmao.

Talk to those who want to break the peace. Fascists were stopped in the lands of Azerbaijan, as in Stalingrad (1943). I think it's pointless to argue with people like you. Turkophobia is bad like any kind of racism. Against the fascists who want the war to continue, I and those who think like me will continue to be the defenders of peace.

Explanation
You can argue between you, please do not confuse me in your conversations

Here they are implying we dont care about childrens lives as we just want to defend "Armenian ethnic nationalism" because we dont hold pro azeri views and because they cant be bothered to actually read what we say in the thread:

You should stop thinking that those who are not blindly supporting the Armenian side on this conflict are Turkish or Azerbaijani.
I'm German, if that is relevant for your argumentation.

Also, Whataboutism is a sign of lacking interest and/or a way to distract from the actual topic.
But I am open to discuss the intervention of Cyprus in DMs with you, if you insist. However, that is off-topic in this thread.

This wasn't a religious conflict to begin with, even if Armenia wanted to convince christian nations it was.
Russia saw that and did the right thing by not supporting the Armenian regime but rather find a way to bring back peace.

Of course nobody would have wanted this to escalate but since Armenia did not stop the occupation, there wasn't much left for Azerbaijan other than to liberate the area with military force.
Armenian military should not have been in Azerbaijani territory in the first place.

I don't think they are worth discussing as they defend religious ethnic Armenian nationalism, they don't care about children.They are doing just like akp voters

Here is another example, now this one could just be shit tier arguments and not necessarily break the rules but i thought it would serve as more evidence for how they are acting, which in my opinion is just childish, where they just accuse people of defending Armenia because they are christian, despite the fact i am an atheist and dont believe in god.

Okay, Azerbaijan pulls back its military, respects the rights of the Armenian population in Nagorno Karabakh and negotiates a treaty with Armenia over the surrounded occupied lands.

The Armenian government's aggression is frightening and some people support it just because they are Christians. My advice to people who think like you, get the right information do not defend injustice just because it is a Christian state.

Another example, saying that our "Approach" cannot go beyond racism, i.e calling people who simply disagree with him racist.

We could redo it. No doubt 150,000 Armenians and 45,000 Azerbaijani's will vote in Azerbaijan's favour. That'll be a democratic mandate and Azerbaijanstill doesn't get the land.

You Never Know. Your Approach Cannot Go Beyond Racism. Many Azerbaijanis may want to be affiliated with Armenia, or most Armenians may want to adhere to Azerbaijan.

Its the same tirade of nonsensical baseless accusations and comments from him in this thread every day and frankly its getting really tiring. So even if you deem none of this to be actionable at least give them a prod to change their conduct in the thread as its honestly childish. Also constantly spamming pictures as well in almost all of their comments.

edit: And yes ive stuck them back on ignore now so dont need to tell me that.

edit edit: fixing some things

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Hey id thought id bump this thread as id like to report Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum for trolling. In particular their constant anti-Armenian posts throughout the Nagorno Karabakh conflict thread, often making sweeping comments about Armenia as a whole such as labelling them terrorists, fascists etc as well as their response and conduct in the thread to multiple users including myself, where they have often and baselessly accused people of racism for disagreeing with them or holding views they have imagined out of thin air. These are only some examples but you can find more throughout the thread by just looking through it.

Here is the latest example, saying Armenia is an anti-semetic nation that operates on "Nazi Policy" with no evidence whatsoever to back this up except a random wikipedia article about a unit of Armenian soldiers who fought for the Nazis in ww2. This one in particular has caused me to make this post as they have went to moderation for similar comments being made about Azerbaijan and it is completely baseless.

Anti-Semitism is a common thing in Armenia because the policy of the Armenian government is Nazi policy. This is why Armenia cannot agree with any state around it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenische_Legion

Here they are obviously referring to Armenia as "Fascists":

It is really good news that the unifying forces in the region are in effect, I hope the peace will be forever. I see no reason for the Turkish government not to cooperate with Russia in Syria. Step by step new Sadabat Pact against terrorists

(Image)

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Here they refer to me and two other users of being "Turkophobic" and as far as i am concerned their comments about "Fascists who want the war to continue" are directed at me and these other users as well.

Talk to those who want to break the peace. Fascists were stopped in the lands of Azerbaijan, as in Stalingrad (1943). I think it's pointless to argue with people like you. Turkophobia is bad like any kind of racism. Against the fascists who want the war to continue, I and those who think like me will continue to be the defenders of peace.

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Explanation
You can argue between you, please do not confuse me in your conversations

Here they are implying we dont care about childrens lives as we just want to defend "Armenian ethnic nationalism" because we dont hold pro azeri views and because they cant be bothered to actually read what we say in the thread:

I don't think they are worth discussing as they defend religious ethnic Armenian nationalism, they don't care about children.They are doing just like akp voters

Here is another example, now this one could just be shit tier arguments and not necessarily break the rules but i thought it would serve as more evidence for how they are acting, which in my opinion is just childish, where they just accuse people of defending Armenia because they are christian, despite the fact i am an atheist and dont believe in god.

The Armenian government's aggression is frightening and some people support it just because they are Christians. My advice to people who think like you, get the right information do not defend injustice just because it is a Christian state.

Another example, saying that our "Approach" cannot go beyond racism, i.e calling people who disagree with him racist.

You Never Know. Your Approach Cannot Go Beyond Racism. Many Azerbaijanis may want to be affiliated with Armenia, or most Armenians may want to adhere to Azerbaijan.

Its the same tirade of nonsensical baseless accusations and comments from him in this thread every day and frankly its getting really tiring. So even if you deem none of this to be actionable at least give them a prod to change their conduct in the thread as its honestly childish. Also constantly spamming pictures as well in almost all of their comments.

edit: And yes ive stuck them back on ignore now so dont need to tell me that.

I act in accordance with the site rules without humiliating anyone. I act according to the universal rules of the United Nations. and please don't bother me. Please come to yourselves, not everyone has to think like you.!

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

I want them both to stop fighting and I welcome Russia's intervention and offers for peace.

Russia betrayed the Armenians and has left the Artsakhis at the nonexistent mercy of the Turks. The only acceptable ‘intervention’ would’ve been the pacification of Baku. I’m a Zionist, but I can frankly say Israel can go fuck itself for supporting Turk supremacists when they should know full well what the Armenians are threatened by.

Please is this in line with the forum rules or am I getting it wrong ? I understand it like a blatant insult to the Jews.

[Albionist Great Britain]

Russia betrayed the Armenians and has left the Artsakhis at the nonexistent mercy of the Turks. The only acceptable ‘intervention’ would’ve been the pacification of Baku. I’m a Zionist, but I can frankly say Israel can go fuck itself for supporting Turk supremacists when they should know full well what the Armenians are threatened by.

Please is this in line with the forum rules or am I getting it wrong ? I understand it like a blatant insult to the Jews.

I’m a Zionist. Insulting the Jews would be the last of my intentions. I’m stating my extreme dislike for the fact the Israeli government and state are supporting Turkosupremacists (Baku) when they should be helping the Armenians and should understand the plight of Armenians in Artsakh because of their own experiences with genocidal abominations (the Third Reich).

[Farnhamia]

Please is this in line with the forum rules or am I getting it wrong ? I understand it like a blatant insult to the Jews.

I’m a Zionist. Insulting the Jews would be the last of my intentions. I’m stating my extreme dislike for the fact the Israeli government and state are supporting Turkosupremacists (Baku) when they should be helping the Armenians and should understand the plight of Armenians in Artsakh because of their own experiences with genocidal abominations (the Third Reich).

Yes, but it's the way you express your displeasure with Israel. "Go jump in the Dead Sea"? Not a problem. "Israel can go fuck itself"? Problem. *** Warned for trolling ***

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As for the posts quoted in Huskar's report, HHDI is *** warned for for trolling. *** Your constant drumbeat of calling anyone who disagrees with you or says something less than polite about Turkey a Nazi or a racist, saying they don't care about children, etc., has reached the point where the warnings will begin to turn into bans. As for you acting in accordance with the site rules, how do you explain three warnings in the last three weeks, six in the last year, and a ban? I understand your desire to support your countrymen but you need to find a way to do it that does not involve insulting people who disagree with you.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Thanks Farn.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Can the subject name be changed please ? Because I think the title should be neutral. Armenia-Azerbaijan Conflict:Ceasefire Agreement This name would be more correct. To say treason to peace is to take sides.

As for the posts quoted in Huskar's report, HHDI is *** warned for for trolling. *** Your constant drumbeat of calling anyone who disagrees with you or says something less than polite about Turkey a Nazi or a racist, saying they don't care about children, etc., has reached the point where the warnings will begin to turn into bans. As for you acting in accordance with the site rules, how do you explain three warnings in the last three weeks, six in the last year, and a ban? I understand your desire to support your countrymen but you need to find a way to do it that does not involve insulting people who disagree with you.

Farnhamia, my answer will be this: I think your warnings came because I wrote with my free will or you misunderstood me.Can you show me an insulting post please. None of what I wrote while translating from Turkish to English is insulting. I am reading and astonished that it is forbidden to call Armenian government policy Nazi policy, but calling Azerbaijanis Nazi is not forbidden. Where is the neutrality of the moderators ?

[Farnhamia]

Can the subject name be changed please ? Because I think the title should be neutral. Armenia-Azerbaijan Conflict:Ceasefire Agreement This name would be more correct. To say treason to peace is to take sides.

As for the posts quoted in Huskar's report, HHDI is *** warned for for trolling. *** Your constant drumbeat of calling anyone who disagrees with you or says something less than polite about Turkey a Nazi or a racist, saying they don't care about children, etc., has reached the point where the warnings will begin to turn into bans. As for you acting in accordance with the site rules, how do you explain three warnings in the last three weeks, six in the last year, and a ban? I understand your desire to support your countrymen but you need to find a way to do it that does not involve insulting people who disagree with you.

Farnhamia, my answer will be this: I think your warnings came because I wrote with my free will or you misunderstood me.Can you show me an insulting post please. None of what I wrote while translating from Turkish to English is insulting. I am reading and astonished that it is forbidden to call Armenian government policy Nazi policy, but calling Azerbaijanis Nazi is not forbidden. Where is the neutrality of the moderators ?

Are you appealing the ruling?

[Punished UMN]

viewtopic.php?p=37972119#p37972119
Starting here the thread has just straight up devolved into verbal abuse towards Hakinda.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=37972119#p37972119
Starting here the thread has just straight up devolved into verbal abuse towards Hakinda.

Although I think differently with Salus Maior, I don't think there is an insulting post here. He said his opinion freely and it is wrong to be punished

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Unfortunately, those who defend Armenia's unjust occupation in Dağlıq Qarabağ do not want peace. because democracy and civil life are not important to them. Only Armenia's interests are important.The Russians and the whole world are aware of this, but radical racists do not. They just want tears and blood.

You are a fucking hypocrite.

humiliation

[Farnhamia]

You are a fucking hypocrite.

humiliation

viewtopic.php?p=37977657#p37977657

It's flaming, not "humiliation."

[Senkaku]

humiliation

viewtopic.php?p=37977657#p37977657

It's flaming, not "humiliation."

Could you enlighten us as to how it constitutes flaming? Are we no longer allowed to call people hypocrites, or are we no longer allowed to use naughty words to emphasize a statement?

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

humiliation

viewtopic.php?p=37977657#p37977657

It's flaming, not "humiliation."

What does it mean to flaming ? really english is a very different language

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

humiliation

viewtopic.php?p=37977657#p37977657

It's flaming, not "humiliation."

Except it's not flaming and I'd like a second opinion.

"Flaming" is an argument involving a personal attack. Calling someone a hypocrite--even emphasized by the presence of the word "fucking"--is not flaming, especially when that person has demonstrated hypocritical views.

Hakinda has been accusing the pro-Armenia side of supporting the murder of civilians via their allegiance while he has been systematically ignoring that the war started when Azerbaijani artillery open fired on civilian population centers in Artsakh. He has stated he supports democracy and claims Armenia is undemocratic while supporting Azerbaijan, which has an even lower democracy rating than Armenia and rejected Artsakh's referendum to leave Azerbaijan and join Armenia. He claims that he believes in peace in the region yet has systematically proven that he views the war as perfectly just despite the fact it upset the fragile peace that was already in place. He has accused the pro-Armenia side of being racist for supporting Armenia yet openly backs the regime in Baku, which officially endorses a historical negationist viewpoint wherein Armenians are deemed subhuman and their nation fraudulent. He has further condemned Armenia and it's supporters for being "pro-nationalist" while once again openly supporting the regime in Baku which is no less nationalist than the regime in Yerevan and is perhaps even more nationalist.

None of this is rulebreaking of course, but it is evidence of a tendency toward hypocrisy thereby making my accusation--that he was a "fucking hypocrite"--a statement of fact and observation; not flaming, not a personal attack.

[United Republic Empire]

viewtopic.php?p=37976342#p37976342

As a dumb tv show once said but in a sort of profound way "we only make peace with our enemies, that's why it's called 'making peace.'"

Yeah, you're right! The Jews should've just appeased the Nazis and left Germany of their own accord! Clearly they got what was coming to them, the filthy warmongers!

A goal which they realistically can't accomplish and so will have to settle for what they have now, especially with Russian peacekeepers and actual territorial concessions.

Same poster, same thread. Bolded and Underlined in the spoiler. Calling Jews Warmongers and saying they got what was coming to them doesn't seem kosher. Even if in sarcasm feels like trolling.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=37976342#p37976342

Yeah, you're right! The Jews should've just appeased the Nazis and left Germany of their own accord! Clearly they got what was coming to them, the filthy warmongers!

Same poster, same thread. Bolded and Underlined in the spoiler. Calling Jews Warmongers and saying they got what was coming to them doesn't seem kosher. Even if in sarcasm feels like trolling.

...Do you not understand how sarcasm works? I was mocking his argument. Sarcasm is not "trolling" and it's not against the rules either.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=37976342#p37976342

Yeah, you're right! The Jews should've just appeased the Nazis and left Germany of their own accord! Clearly they got what was coming to them, the filthy warmongers!

Same poster, same thread. Bolded and Underlined in the spoiler. Calling Jews Warmongers and saying they got what was coming to them doesn't seem kosher. Even if in sarcasm feels like trolling.

I cannot see any humiliation or posts that are against forum rules. It would be unfair to punish Trollzyn for this message. I don't know how ethical it is to make fun of war, but unlike Trollzyn, I took his writing seriously.

[The Archregimancy]

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=37976342#p37976342

Yeah, you're right! The Jews should've just appeased the Nazis and left Germany of their own accord! Clearly they got what was coming to them, the filthy warmongers!

Same poster, same thread. Bolded and Underlined in the spoiler. Calling Jews Warmongers and saying they got what was coming to them doesn't seem kosher. Even if in sarcasm feels like trolling.

Not actionable; clear and unambiguous sarcasm used to counter an opposing argument is not inherently against the rules.

I cannot see any humiliation or posts that are against forum rules. It would be unfair to punish Trollzyn for this message. I don't know how ethical it is to make fun of war, but unlike Trollzyn, I took his writing seriously.

DO NOT SPAM MODERATION.

Only post in this thread if you're making a report, are the subject of a report, or are adding material evidence to a report. 'In my opinion' posts are spamming moderation.

You have only avoided a warning for spamming moderation because you've previously been directly involved in reports in this thread, so have been able to post here legitimately in the past. But please stop offering your opinion; any further opinion posts in this thread over reports you're not personally involved in will likely see you issued with a formal warning.