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Flamebaiting in General Election thread.

Postby The Andromeda Island Group » Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:31 pm

The exchange began when the offending poster decided to disparage everyone who voted for Gary Johnson in 2016, claiming that they all would have voted for Donald Trump if there were no Libertatian option. I disagreed, pointing out that many Libertarian voters actually have integrity.

I then pointed out, correctly, that such dismissiveness falls in line with the line of thinking used by one Donald J. Trump against his critics.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=486837&p=37424494#p37424494

Instead of moderating its position, this offending poster continued to insist that Gary Johnson voters are an unthinking monolith. Then, because it knew that it was losing the argument, it decided to divert attention from its impending loss by flamebaiting.

Oh give it a fucking break. Hillary Clinton was a shit candidate, Biden isn’t. She was an idiot who decided that she didn’t need to worry about campaigning in several areas. It’s not the third party voters fault, it’s hers.

And besides nobody gives a fucking shit if I happen to fucking curse, unless your an uptight Pearl clutcher


1) It’s “you’re an uptight pearl-clutcher.” If it’s going to curse and flamebait, it should at least use proper grammar.

2) Imagine how fast Thermodolia would have reported me if I used this much profanity in a post against it.

3) It’s almost as if this poster is going out of its way to start a fight. It thinks that by flamebaiting me, I will respond as I had in mid-June, before my self-imposed exile from the NS General Boards. Flamebaiting is against the rules.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=486837&p=37426115#p37426115

After that, this poster falsely claims that I’m demeaning all college dropouts. “The College Dropout” is clearly a reference to Kanye West’s 2004 album, which Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and Harry S. Truman had nothing to do with.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=486837&p=37426206#p37426206

In the name of all that is fair, decent and just, Thermodolia MUST be admonished for his crimes against NS & the average Libertarian voter. Such villainy cannot go unpunished.

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:44 pm

viewtopic.php?p=37427692#p37427692
Trolling/Trollnaming or is it flamebaitingnaming?
Anymore more Trolling: viewtopic.php?p=37425991#p37425991

Also how the fuck was I flamebaiting?

And no I don’t report people for using profanity because I don’t fucking care.

And it’s him not it
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Postby The Andromeda Island Group » Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:55 pm

Flame/Threats: Personal attacks against other players, expressed via OOC (out-of-character) comments; insults, swearing and anything posted with intent to offend. In-character remarks can be interpreted this way as well; watch what you post if other posters are unaware you're not serious. Erudite slams while maintaining a veneer of politeness can also be considered flaming. Repeated instances of flaming directed at the same player can be considered harassment, a more serious offense.


[quote=Therm]And besides nobody gives a fucking shit if I happen to fucking curse, unless your an uptight Pearl clutcher[/quote]

Who was the uptight pearl clutcher you referred to? Why the excessive profanity? Could it be that you were trying to start a fight?

Flamebaiting: Posts that are made with the aim of angering someone indirectly. Not outright flame, but still liable to bring angry replies. Flame baiting is a far more subtle and covert action; it is an underhanded tactic that is designed to provoke a response from another player. It's in the same context of trolling but with flamebaiting it's just the one person. Also included under flamebaiting is malicious quote editing, changing the contents of a quoted post without showing the original text, either through color changes or strike-out.


You knew that I had a history with these Moderators and tried to bait me into a fight. Perhaps you thought I would react the way I did in mid-June. Shame on you!
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:58 pm

The Andromeda Island Group wrote:
Flame/Threats: Personal attacks against other players, expressed via OOC (out-of-character) comments; insults, swearing and anything posted with intent to offend. In-character remarks can be interpreted this way as well; watch what you post if other posters are unaware you're not serious. Erudite slams while maintaining a veneer of politeness can also be considered flaming. Repeated instances of flaming directed at the same player can be considered harassment, a more serious offense.




Flamebaiting: [color=#FF0000]Posts that are made with the aim of angering someone indirectly. Not outright flame, but still liable to bring angry replies.[/] Flame baiting is a far more subtle and covert action; it is an underhanded tactic that is designed to provoke a response from another player. It's in the same context of trolling but with flamebaiting it's just the one person. Also included under flamebaiting is malicious quote editing, changing the contents of a quoted post without showing the original text, either through color changes or strike-out.

My use of profanity isn’t intended to offend. It how I talk. I curse more than a fucking drunk sailor who stubbed his damn toe.
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Postby Kexholm and Karelia » Mon Jul 20, 2020 3:17 pm

Tombradyonia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Yes, we get it. You hate that people are able to criticise Trump here without being shouted down.


I suspect GMS to be an elaborate trolling account.


i dont think calling someone a troll is allowed
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Mon Jul 20, 2020 3:37 pm

To the Moderator: Kexholm and Karelia reported Tombradyonia on the post above: I dont think calling someone a troll is allowed. I am not reporting Tombradyonia, I am just trying to explain. I don't care what he called me.

Posted by Tombradyonia
I suspect GMS is an elaborate Troll account:
viewtopic.php?p=37428227#p37428227

I am not an elaborate troll account, we strongly disagree on Trump and the Republicans. I don't call Tombradyonia a Troll account when he strongly disagrees with me on Trump, The Republicans, Joe Biden and the Democrats. Their only problems with me are on Trump related threads. They don't have any problems with me on other threads. Proven by their posts on other threads. What a coincidence, this does not happen with any of them on other threads, only on Trump related threads.

I don't like to put anyone on ignore, because I like to see and be able to quote anyone and for them to see and quote me, but with respect, for our different views. I don't use personal insults and foul language like has been used on me in the past my many on this site.

Thank you.

GMS.
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Postby The Andromeda Island Group » Mon Jul 20, 2020 4:00 pm

The mods can address the side issues in this thread at their leisure.

As for me, I hereby drop my complaint against Thermodolia.

The root of the complaint: a disagreement on whether Libertarians would automatically vote for Donald Trump, is something I RESPECTFULLY disagree with Therm about. I only brought the complaint in order to make sure that our disagreement didn't degenerate into petty attacks. I was guilty of making baseless assumptions in the past about Therm. I'm not going to play that note again.

Whatever complaints I had aren't worth any sort of retribution. I'm willing to overlook any perceived slights in the interest of free and open discussion.

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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:45 pm

We gonna get a ruling on these?
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:57 pm

Thermodolia wrote:We gonna get a ruling on these?

*bellows* You can't handle a ruling!

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:48 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:To the Moderator: Kexholm and Karelia reported Tombradyonia on the post above: I dont think calling someone a troll is allowed. I am not reporting Tombradyonia, I am just trying to explain. I don't care what he called me.

Posted by Tombradyonia
I suspect GMS is an elaborate Troll account:
viewtopic.php?p=37428227#p37428227

I am not an elaborate troll account, we strongly disagree on Trump and the Republicans. I don't call Tombradyonia a Troll account when he strongly disagrees with me on Trump, The Republicans, Joe Biden and the Democrats. Their only problems with me are on Trump related threads. They don't have any problems with me on other threads. Proven by their posts on other threads. What a coincidence, this does not happen with any of them on other threads, only on Trump related threads.

I don't like to put anyone on ignore, because I like to see and be able to quote anyone and for them to see and quote me, but with respect, for our different views. I don't use personal insults and foul language like has been used on me in the past my many on this site.

Thank you.

GMS.
I always mean what I say. I will never report a fellow nation over an RP, unless they bait, flame and troll. I will never put any fellow nations on ignore for any personal or political reasons. I hate to see any fellow nations banned from NS forever, because we all love NS. I hate the culture we have on NS of reporting our fellow nations for anything we can think of to hurt our fellow nations. I will only report any nation I think might have broken an NS rule of decency against me. But even then, I have looked the other way many times, and I will look the other way many times. But If I think they went too far, I have no choice. I might report on the behalf of a person I think I owe a favor too. I count 748 characters or so including spaces.

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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:00 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:To the Moderator: Kexholm and Karelia reported Tombradyonia on the post above: I dont think calling someone a troll is allowed. I am not reporting Tombradyonia, I am just trying to explain. I don't care what he called me.

Posted by Tombradyonia
I suspect GMS is an elaborate Troll account:
viewtopic.php?p=37428227#p37428227

I am not an elaborate troll account, we strongly disagree on Trump and the Republicans. I don't call Tombradyonia a Troll account when he strongly disagrees with me on Trump, The Republicans, Joe Biden and the Democrats. Their only problems with me are on Trump related threads. They don't have any problems with me on other threads. Proven by their posts on other threads. What a coincidence, this does not happen with any of them on other threads, only on Trump related threads.

I don't like to put anyone on ignore, because I like to see and be able to quote anyone and for them to see and quote me, but with respect, for our different views. I don't use personal insults and foul language like has been used on me in the past my many on this site.

Thank you.

GMS.

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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:05 am

Are we ever gonna get any of this looked at?

Because I’m also adding these as possible trolling/mods as weapons: viewtopic.php?p=37428558#p37428558, viewtopic.php?p=37427632#p37427632
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Postby The Andromeda Island Group » Thu Jul 23, 2020 4:52 am

Thermodolia wrote:Are we ever gonna get any of this looked at?

Because I’m also adding these as possible trolling/mods as weapons: viewtopic.php?p=37428558#p37428558, viewtopic.php?p=37427632#p37427632


I'm sure calling someone an uptight pearl-clutcher and then using profanity to emphasize your contempt for them might be seen as flamebaiting by some. I could have responded with similar such childishness or worse. Instead, I did what many posters do here when confronted with such nonsense: I went to the NS Moderators to report it.

Nevertheless, after some reconsideration, I decided to withdraw my initial complaint. While I don't like being cursed at or called names, I decided that the NS Mods had better things to do with their time than decide whether you deserve a warning.

Thermodolia, I don't like you at all. I don't think much of you as a human being.
Based on my behavior in mid-June, I wouldn't be surprised if the feeling is mutual.
But I wasn't trolling or using mods a weapons.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:43 am

The Andromeda Island Group wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Are we ever gonna get any of this looked at?

Because I’m also adding these as possible trolling/mods as weapons: viewtopic.php?p=37428558#p37428558, viewtopic.php?p=37427632#p37427632


I'm sure calling someone an uptight pearl-clutcher and then using profanity to emphasize your contempt for them might be seen as flamebaiting by some. I could have responded with similar such childishness or worse. Instead, I did what many posters do here when confronted with such nonsense: I went to the NS Moderators to report it.

But I didn’t call you a pearl clutcher. Nor did I use profanity to emphasize any contempt because I have no contempt towards you. I didn’t flamebait you.

Nevertheless, after some reconsideration, I decided to withdraw my initial complaint. While I don't like being cursed at or called names, I decided that the NS Mods had better things to do with their time than decide whether you deserve a warning.

I didn’t curse at you or call you names. I used profanity in my posts which is perfectly fine

Thermodolia, I don't like you at all. I don't think much of you as a human being.
Based on my behavior in mid-June, I wouldn't be surprised if the feeling is mutual.
But I wasn't trolling or using mods a weapons.

You falsely said that I was flamebaiting in the thread and that you’ll take it to the mods and you claimed that your entire point of making this report thread was to keep everyone civil. That’s mods as weapons and making frivolous reports.

Then in your entire report thread you called me “it” when you very well knew that I am a guy. That’s textbook trolling and misgendering.
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Postby Luna Amore » Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:43 am

Kexholm and Karelia wrote:
Tombradyonia wrote:
I suspect GMS to be an elaborate trolling account.


i dont think calling someone a troll is allowed

Addressed.




As to the original report, I don't see anything actionable. The only actionable piece I see is the trollnaming above.

I will say that phrasing of the original report and your follow up responses suggests this report is not in good faith. Referring to Thermodolia multiple times as 'it', sections of your report like "2) Imagine how fast Thermodolia would have reported me if I used this much profanity in a post against it." and " 3) It’s almost as if this poster is going out of its way to start a fight. It thinks that by flamebaiting me, I will respond as I had in mid-June, before my self-imposed exile from the NS General Boards. Flamebaiting is against the rules." along with your followup:
The Andromeda Island Group wrote:Thermodolia, I don't like you at all. I don't think much of you as a human being.
,

suggests the actual intent here in my opinion. Considering all of that, *** Warned for using mods as a weapon ***. If you dislike him that much, put him on your foe list.

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Postby The Andromeda Island Group » Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:46 pm

Luna Amore wrote:
Kexholm and Karelia wrote:
i dont think calling someone a troll is allowed

Addressed.




As to the original report, I don't see anything actionable. The only actionable piece I see is the trollnaming above.

I will say that phrasing of the original report and your follow up responses suggests this report is not in good faith. Referring to Thermodolia multiple times as 'it', sections of your report like "2) Imagine how fast Thermodolia would have reported me if I used this much profanity in a post against it." and " 3) It’s almost as if this poster is going out of its way to start a fight. It thinks that by flamebaiting me, I will respond as I had in mid-June, before my self-imposed exile from the NS General Boards. Flamebaiting is against the rules." along with your followup:
The Andromeda Island Group wrote:Thermodolia, I don't like you at all. I don't think much of you as a human being.
,

suggests the actual intent here in my opinion. Considering all of that, *** Warned for using mods as a weapon ***. If you dislike him that much, put him on your foe list.


1) He is already on my foe list.

2) I appeal this decision. I was not using Mods as weapons. Therm was clearly provoking me into a fight. I was merely responding to clear provocation as outlined by NS Forum rules. After some time, I reconsidered.

3) Neither my personal feelings about Therm nor the wording of my initial complaint have anything to do with the clear justification of my original complaint. To suggest otherwise is a weak sauce way of justifying an otherwise unjust decision.

4) If I lose this appeal, can I assume that my warning won't become something more severe?
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Postby Santheres » Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:58 pm

The Andromeda Island Group wrote:1) He is already on my foe list.


Good. But...

2) I appeal this decision. I was not using Mods as weapons. Therm was clearly provoking me into a fight. I was merely responding to clear provocation as outlined by NS Forum rules. After some time, I reconsidered.


How could they provoke you if they're on your foe list and you can't see their posts?

3) Neither my personal feelings about Therm nor the wording of my initial complaint have anything to do with the clear justification of my original complaint. To suggest otherwise is a weak sauce way of justifying an otherwise unjust decision.


Your personal feelings absolutely have to do with whether or not you believe something crosses a line, so don't pretend it doesn't. You know as well as anyone else that people are faster and broader on reporting things with people they dislike. This is especially true of taking borderline cases and assuming they absolutely must be on the other side of the line.

4) If I lose this appeal, can I assume that my warning won't become something more severe?


I don't understand the question. Do you think we punish people even harder for trying to appeal?




The Andromeda Island Group: Appeal denied

Thermodolia: your history places you on remarkably thin ice, and I recommend you chill before you catch a deat. Consider this the most official unofficial you're going to get. You have a lot of trolling and flaming under your belt, and it is in your own best interest to not attempt to toe the line.

Thank you!

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Postby The Andromeda Island Group » Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:08 pm

How could they provoke you if they're on your foe list and you can't see their posts?

I put him on my foes list after the complaint.

Your personal feelings absolutely have to do with whether or not you believe something crosses a line, so don't pretend it doesn't. You know as well as anyone else that people are faster and broader on reporting things with people they dislike. This is especially true of taking borderline cases and assuming they absolutely must be on the other side of the line.


I understand now. Because I don't like Therm, he can openly provoke me and it's not flamebaiting. Never mind that the dislike is due to the offending behavior and the lack of contrition.

Those of us who actually have a concept of justice tend to dislike offenders. Crooks are not our friends.

I don't understand the question. Do you think we punish people even harder for trying to appeal?

Based on the clear bias the Mods have shown against me so far, I see zero evidence that any of you are above such pettiness.

Lesson learned: Therm offends, I get the warning. Justice notably absent in appeal process.

I'm done "Using Mods as Weapons," or whatever silly charge you and your NS Mod friends have concocted. I now know that other posters can get away with things that I can't. I now know that there is no justice in this Kangaroo Court!

If I choose to post on that board again, I will do my very best to make sure that my conduct is above board. If things degenerate, I will more than likely add the offending party to my foes list, because I know that there will be no justice from NS Mods.

Peace!
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Postby Santheres » Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:34 pm

You are free to believe what you will, but the idea that I am biased when I have no idea who either of you are is laughable.
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