[R] Jacking, nicknaming, baiting/trolling in Biden thread.

[South Odreria 2]

Centai Mai has repeatedly attempted to derail discussion in the vote for Biden thread by responding to posts about the positions and history of VP Biden with unrelated attacks on Bernie Sanders, who was not being discussed. He has also nicknamed Sanders as "Magic Grandpa" and thrown voluminous and obvious bait at people.

Nicknaming and jacking:

Yeah, I'm sure the things biden is promising like "an end to racial injustice" are totally not pandering.

Also I love how he's trying to reach out to Muslim Americans while simultaneously condemning BDS for the crime of not excusing Israel's war crimes.

I'm sorry, how is Magic Grandpa and his band of merry followers any better? At least Biden can do more in 30+ years than rename a post office

Dog, WHITE PROGRESSIVES want healthcare and jobs. I fail to see how those things hurt racial minorities.

Everyone does, bro. The difference is how we accomplish that, and no one wants the Magic Grandpa approach of "I'll try really hard but get nothing done because purity is better than progress"

I listed out a number of monstrous things he did.

Shall we do the same with Sanders, considering he wrote an essay about rape fantasies, and another about children touching each other naked? That seems a lot worse than “was deceived by Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz” and “voted for DOMA, realized his error, and helped legalize gay marriage”

Baiting:

Four more years!

Four more years of what? Minorities getting curb-stomped with legislation and hateful rhetoric? Some type of bloody Catholic you are. Crack your bible open every once in a while

Generic

Um, people like those in this thread who won't vote for Biden?

Who? White middle class progressive LARPers?

Yeah, white middle class progressive LARPers. No one in this thread has done anything other than demand Biden change a platform that the majority supported and felt represented by, which is kinda privileged if you ask me. "You must conform to all my standards of woke, despite the majority clearly not agreeing with my standard of woke"

Everyone not voting for Biden is a "LARPer."

Sure it is.

What would you like to talk about? The reliance on almost solely youth voter turnout to coast along? The flawed outreach to and subsequent mixed reception amongst Blacks and Hispanics? Hiring the same stupid campaign team that lost him 2016? Not reeling in his campaign manager or publicity manager who spent most of their time attacking the other candidates against his wishes or people who were on the fence about him?

No, because Bernie is the Messiah, he can do no wrong. It's us who were flawed and caused his downfall. He is Jesus and we are the fellow Jews condeming him to death

what even

I find it bizarrely pathetic that y’all think people “hate men”. I do guess that when you spend your entire lives being treated like you’re better than everyone else, and then suddenly other people get rights, it can feel like you’re “hated”

My granddad taught a lesson in humility. “Understand there will always be somebody better then you. Learn from them.” Not exact as that was a long time ago.

I guess when you’ve spent your entire life being the center of the universe, and you have to deal with minor inconveniences so that other people get a fair shot, it can probably feel like oppression.

On the plus side, now I’m getting a much better picture of these people as a whole.

Not very subtly hinting that Gallo doesn't want women and minorities to have rights.

Minority progressive here. I'm gay, latino, and a democrat. Wtf you know about it? I dont deserve to get my voice heard?

The way you're conflating being a colored person or minority with automatic support for centrism is not the case in certain regions. Different people, young Hispanics like me, supported Bernie. Just because Blavk Democrats in the South are centrist doesnt mean there isnt nuance in what different minorities support with their vote.

You sound like you're repeating Joe's gauche comment to that black guy about not being a real black person cause he didn't support him.

We literally love bad faith interpretation, because I cannot imagine anyone is THIS STUPID

You deserve to have your voice heard, my entire point was that white people historically have had their voices heard over minorities, and maybe focusing on the minorities would be fucking great. But apparently I'm now "racist towards white people" for suggesting this.

"I cannot imagine anyone is THIS STUPID."

Racism and bigotry are inevitable under Capitalism. When will you liberals understand that? Capitalism perpetuates racism.

Oh, nevermind, you're a tankie. Venezuela sounds swell right now

Particularly unoriginal.

The need to be smug about how The System Is Corrupt has a habit of turning people into disciples of the dark lord BothSame.

But remember, they're morally superior, of course. Because fucking over minorities, so they can remain "pure" is great fun.

Seriously, I really want to see how many people here are white, middle class, cishet, and able-bodied. Almost everyone here who's had a nuanced take has been a minority, because shockingly, we actually stand to lose things.

"fucking over minorities, so othey can remain 'pure'" strikes me as nazi-baiting.

[Santheres]

Looking into it

[Centai Mal]

Centai Mai has repeatedly attempted to derail discussion in the vote for Biden thread by responding to posts about the positions and history of VP Biden with unrelated attacks on Bernie Sanders, who was not being discussed. He has also nicknamed Sanders as "Magic Grandpa" and thrown voluminous and obvious bait at people.

Nicknaming and jacking:

I'm sorry, how is Magic Grandpa and his band of merry followers any better? At least Biden can do more in 30+ years than rename a post office

Everyone does, bro. The difference is how we accomplish that, and no one wants the Magic Grandpa approach of "I'll try really hard but get nothing done because purity is better than progress"

Shall we do the same with Sanders, considering he wrote an essay about rape fantasies, and another about children touching each other naked? That seems a lot worse than “was deceived by Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz” and “voted for DOMA, realized his error, and helped legalize gay marriage”

Baiting:

Four more years of what? Minorities getting curb-stomped with legislation and hateful rhetoric? Some type of bloody Catholic you are. Crack your bible open every once in a while

Generic

Yeah, white middle class progressive LARPers. No one in this thread has done anything other than demand Biden change a platform that the majority supported and felt represented by, which is kinda privileged if you ask me. "You must conform to all my standards of woke, despite the majority clearly not agreeing with my standard of woke"

Everyone not voting for Biden is a "LARPer."

No, because Bernie is the Messiah, he can do no wrong. It's us who were flawed and caused his downfall. He is Jesus and we are the fellow Jews condeming him to death

what even

I find it bizarrely pathetic that y’all think people “hate men”. I do guess that when you spend your entire lives being treated like you’re better than everyone else, and then suddenly other people get rights, it can feel like you’re “hated”

I guess when you’ve spent your entire life being the center of the universe, and you have to deal with minor inconveniences so that other people get a fair shot, it can probably feel like oppression.

On the plus side, now I’m getting a much better picture of these people as a whole.

Not very subtly hinting that Gallo doesn't want women and minorities to have rights.

We literally love bad faith interpretation, because I cannot imagine anyone is THIS STUPID

You deserve to have your voice heard, my entire point was that white people historically have had their voices heard over minorities, and maybe focusing on the minorities would be fucking great. But apparently I'm now "racist towards white people" for suggesting this.

"I cannot imagine anyone is THIS STUPID."

Oh, nevermind, you're a tankie. Venezuela sounds swell right now

Particularly unoriginal.

But remember, they're morally superior, of course. Because fucking over minorities, so they can remain "pure" is great fun.

Seriously, I really want to see how many people here are white, middle class, cishet, and able-bodied. Almost everyone here who's had a nuanced take has been a minority, because shockingly, we actually stand to lose things.

"fucking over minorities, so othey can remain 'pure'" strikes me as nazi-baiting.

I take offense to most of this, because it’s presented out of context.

Nicknaming: Was already corrected by a mod about that, and have dropped it, because I was unaware it was wrong (I was new to the forums)

Threadjacking: I also understand now that continuing on with a series of “off topic” posts, that it’s considered threadjacking to continue the topic. However, in a thread about third-party candidates, where people are considering writing in Bernie, discussing his flaws is not “off topic” and I think we had a mod clarify that too

General: I have repeatedly had my quotes taken out of context, and have been assured of being racist and sexist against men (as a man, no less). Your accusations of “Nazi-baiting” are for a comment that refers to the “moral purity” I had discussed earlier, and that I have seen discussed a lot in the thread.

[Centai Mal]

Just wondering if this has been looked into since this morning?

I’d also like some clarification on if discussions about Sanders are allowed - I’m pretty sure a mod said they were, as it’s a topic about comparing other candidates to Biden, with a lot of discussion of third party candidates (including Sanders) throughout the thread - but I may be thinking of another thread. I’ve interpreted the topic to mean we’re allowed to discuss policy and the flaws of other candidates (especially since there’s a strong focus on Biden’s flaws in comparison), but if not, please let me know

[South Odreria 2]

Can this please be looked at given that trolling is nominally against site rules

[Drew Durrnil]

Can this please be looked at given that trolling is nominally against site rules

It has.

Looking into it

[Centai Mal]

Can this please be looked at given that trolling is nominally against site rules

Just because you don’t like my opinion does not mean it’s trolling, seriously. You just dug up stuff from last month, that has already been dealt with

[Santheres]

The latency of this is because I had to trawl post history.

Centai: You're earning an additional *** Warning for a pattern of trolling/baiting behavior ***, and before you ask again how you could be warned for something twice, you're not. All of these could have been warned for and I have more than two examples.

Here are some samples of things that aren't welcome that you keep doing.

Multiple instances of you posting solely to insult the other posters in a thread and contributing nothing else. Even if you had contributed more, this wouldn't be okay but it would have at least been less obvious.

The amount of “I’m not a Trump supporter but I buy into all of his garbage” in this thread is ASTOUNDING

All I know is that y'all drank the Kool-Aid and have not once looked at Biden's site.

I guess when you’ve spent your entire life being the center of the universe, and you have to deal with minor inconveniences so that other people get a fair shot, it can probably feel like oppression.

On the plus side, now I’m getting a much better picture of these people as a whole.

We literally love bad faith interpretation, because I cannot imagine anyone is THIS STUPID

You deserve to have your voice heard, my entire point was that white people historically have had their voices heard over minorities, and maybe focusing on the minorities would be fucking great. But apparently I'm now "racist towards white people" for suggesting this.

Racism and bigotry are inevitable under Capitalism. When will you liberals understand that? Capitalism perpetuates racism.

Oh, nevermind, you're a tankie. Venezuela sounds swell right now

you know you fucked up when even Fox News knows Venezuela isn’t socialist. But sure, majority privately owned economy is totally socialist. Forget that stuff about seizing the means of production. Also, I’m a Marxist, not a Stalinist.

:rofl: "I'mma quote an article from 2010 because I have a tenuous grasp on reality and how the real world functions"

You're white, ain't ya

No, because Bernie is the Messiah, he can do no wrong. It's us who were flawed and caused his downfall. He is Jesus and we are the fellow Jews condeming him to death

This isn't the sum total of the issue.

You're capable of providing good posts; I've seen a lot of them, but you have to stop the snippy one-liners and flames. They're not cute, they're not funny, they're not in any fashion constructive or helpful. And you have quite a few of them, especially for the limited amount of time you've been on-site.

An additional note on threadjacking: "What would it take for you to vote for Biden" is not explicitly about third parties, the topic is literally in the title. That means you can reference third parties but the topic is ultimately Biden and what it would take to vote for him. If this hasn't been the topic for a long time, then we can look into that, but a defense of "I was posting about something not inherently the topic, so how could it be threadjacking?" is self-evidently flawed.

[The worst bus company imaginable]

thats not allowed ok

[Katganistan]

thats not allowed ok

*** Warned for spamming moderation. *** If you're not making a report, defending yourself, or a moderator, your input is unwanted and unneeded.

[Centai Mal]

The latency of this is because I had to trawl post history.

Centai: You're earning an additional *** Warning for a pattern of trolling/baiting behavior ***, and before you ask again how you could be warned for something twice, you're not. All of these could have been warned for and I have more than two examples.

Here are some samples of things that aren't welcome that you keep doing.

Multiple instances of you posting solely to insult the other posters in a thread and contributing nothing else. Even if you had contributed more, this wouldn't be okay but it would have at least been less obvious.

The amount of “I’m not a Trump supporter but I buy into all of his garbage” in this thread is ASTOUNDING

All I know is that y'all drank the Kool-Aid and have not once looked at Biden's site.

I guess when you’ve spent your entire life being the center of the universe, and you have to deal with minor inconveniences so that other people get a fair shot, it can probably feel like oppression.

On the plus side, now I’m getting a much better picture of these people as a whole.

We literally love bad faith interpretation, because I cannot imagine anyone is THIS STUPID

You deserve to have your voice heard, my entire point was that white people historically have had their voices heard over minorities, and maybe focusing on the minorities would be fucking great. But apparently I'm now "racist towards white people" for suggesting this.

Oh, nevermind, you're a tankie. Venezuela sounds swell right now

"I'mma quote an article from 2010 because I have a tenuous grasp on reality and how the real world functions"

You're white, ain't ya

No, because Bernie is the Messiah, he can do no wrong. It's us who were flawed and caused his downfall. He is Jesus and we are the fellow Jews condeming him to death

This isn't the sum total of the issue.

You're capable of providing good posts; I've seen a lot of them, but you have to stop the snippy one-liners and flames. They're not cute, they're not funny, they're not in any fashion constructive or helpful. And you have quite a few of them, especially for the limited amount of time you've been on-site.

An additional note on threadjacking: "What would it take for you to vote for Biden" is not explicitly about third parties, the topic is literally in the title. That means you can reference third parties but the topic is ultimately Biden and what it would take to vote for him. If this hasn't been the topic for a long time, then we can look into that, but a defense of "I was posting about something not inherently the topic, so how could it be threadjacking?" is self-evidently flawed.

Ok, thank you for taking the time to look through the posts comprehensively.

On the note about the threadjacking, I don’t think that has been the topic for a long, long time. There’s a lot of discussion from other users (positive and negative) about the third party candidates (Jo Jorgensen, Howie Hawkins, etc.). Occasionally someone comes on and answers the original question, but those seem to get ignored, which is why I’ve assumed it’s being used as a “discussion of third-parties” thread