[Discussion/Announcement] NSG's "Wing" Megathreads

[Diarcesia]

I can foresee replies like "you're stupid for even thinking about this". I dunno if the mods prefer this kind of thread to be done before or after said thread nuking.

Good point. Maybe they could do polls, that would be a sinple solution

It would be an overwhelming "No", given that they've formed a community around both threads.

A final warning about self-moderating and NOT discouraging reporting rulebreaking behavior would be a more reasonable measure imo.

[Joohan]

[Luziyca]

I was around during the whole "It's Only Politics" debacle, and let me tell you, in the end, the climate of the forum in the long term did not change for the worse. I don't know if it changed for the better, but it certainly didn't change for the worse.

This too shall pass: in the long term, the overall climate will not change for the worse. Maybe it'll change for the better, but it certainly can't be worse than 2003 NS.

You didn't answer the question. How will deleting some of the only threads with long lasting and worthwhile discussion left on General improve the level of discourse?

Because by moving the discussion to other threads, it ensures that the quality of the arguments on those threads will improve, particularly as by being forced to credibly conceptualize real-time partnerships between participants, as opposed to just having arguments in echo chambers, the arguments of the typical NSGer will be improved in a dialectal fashion.

[Washington Resistance Army]

You didn't answer the question. How will deleting some of the only threads with long lasting and worthwhile discussion left on General improve the level of discourse?

Because by moving the discussion to other threads, it ensures that the quality of the arguments on those threads will improve, particularly as by being forced to credibly conceptualize real-time partnerships between participants, as opposed to just having arguments in echo chambers, the arguments of the typical NSGer will be improved in a dialectal fashion.

Most of the LWDT and RWDT users have seemingly gone inactive on General since the threads were axed so this doesn't hold up yet at least.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Good point. Maybe they could do polls, that would be a sinple solution

It would be an overwhelming "No", given that they've formed a community around both threads.

A final warning about self-moderating and NOT discouraging reporting rulebreaking behavior would be a more reasonable measure imo.

Yeah they did that with the chill/chat location threads.

[Luziyca]

Because by moving the discussion to other threads, it ensures that the quality of the arguments on those threads will improve, particularly as by being forced to credibly conceptualize real-time partnerships between participants, as opposed to just having arguments in echo chambers, the arguments of the typical NSGer will be improved in a dialectal fashion.

Most of the LWDT and RWDT users have seemingly gone inactive on General since the threads were axed so this doesn't hold up yet at least.

It is certainly too soon to tell whether I'm right or not, and it'd be interesting to see what happens over the next year or so.

[New Visayan Islands]

Because by moving the discussion to other threads, it ensures that the quality of the arguments on those threads will improve, particularly as by being forced to credibly conceptualize real-time partnerships between participants, as opposed to just having arguments in echo chambers, the arguments of the typical NSGer will be improved in a dialectal fashion.

Most of the LWDT and RWDT users have seemingly gone inactive on General since the threads were axed so this doesn't hold up yet at least.

And suddenly we got ourselves an account or two posting porn en masse as fallout from the deep-sixing of the wing threads.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Tbh this is just gonna lead to a shit ton more rulebreaking and cause you so many more headaches because now there's literally nothing left to do on General except rampantly shitpost and troll people you dislike.

UMN's behavior is probably gonna be the standard for a good while because of this decision. A great many users of NSG now have no purpose to come to the forum except to make your lives hell, and with how comically outdated this forum is you can't really stop them.

Or they could just go back to 4chan and /pol, since I’m sure many of them who are of that attitude probably came here from there anyways.

[Luziyca]

Most of the LWDT and RWDT users have seemingly gone inactive on General since the threads were axed so this doesn't hold up yet at least.

And suddenly we got ourselves an account or two posting porn en masse as fallout from the deep-sixing of the wing threads.

Having a few porn spammers is par for the course for a typical NS summer. I sure hope it wasn't someone pissed that the wing threads are closed, and it's just some run-of-the-mill porn spammer.

[Centai Mal]

And suddenly we got ourselves an account or two posting porn en masse as fallout from the deep-sixing of the wing threads.

Having a few porn spammers is par for the course for a typical NS summer. I sure hope it wasn't someone pissed that the wing threads are closed, and it's just some run-of-the-mill porn spammer.

"RWDT WILL BE AVENGED, NS MODS ARE N*****" seems like angry right wingers, so yeah

[New Visayan Islands]

And suddenly we got ourselves an account or two posting porn en masse as fallout from the deep-sixing of the wing threads.

Having a few porn spammers is par for the course for a typical NS summer. I sure hope it wasn't someone pissed that the wing threads are closed, and it's just some run-of-the-mill porn spammer.

If some of the porn posts were any indication, it looked like someone was pissed that the RWDT was locked down.

[Kowani]

And the crusade has already begun.

[Foxfound]

It would be an overwhelming "No", given that they've formed a community around both threads.

A final warning about self-moderating and NOT discouraging reporting rulebreaking behavior would be a more reasonable measure imo.

Yeah they did that with the chill/chat location threads.

I do kind of wish I had been around to participate in those more but given that they apparently caused enough trouble to get banned maybe it's for the better that I missed them.

[Joohan]

You didn't answer the question. How will deleting some of the only threads with long lasting and worthwhile discussion left on General improve the level of discourse?

Because by moving the discussion to other threads, it ensures that the quality of the arguments on those threads will improve, particularly as by being forced to credibly conceptualize real-time partnerships between participants, as opposed to just having arguments in echo chambers, the arguments of the typical NSGer will be improved in a dialectal fashion.

How did the wings get in the way of this in the first place? Practically everybody who was active in there was also active in the other political and sociological threads. No one was just sitting in the echo chamber.

[Cisairse]

So I am super late to this, I realize (45 pages late, in fact), but I'd like to throw in my opinion.

I have been frequenting LWDT for a few months, and only occasionally posting on RWDT. I don't really see the logic in closing both megathreads. From my experience, LWDT and RWDT are completely incomparable. RWDT definitely had cliques and its share of socialization and bad-faith posting; however, I don't think that sort of thing really happened on LWDT? For one thing, LWDT was way slower than RWDT, and generally (again, from my experience) featured more long-form and in-depth discussion on relevant topics. By that I mean I actually had my views changed more than once in LWDT which I cannot say about any other thread on NSG.

In fact most of the time when I'd open NSG I would just open the 2020 election thread and LWDT because I was pretty much guaranteed to read something I felt worth reading in those threads, and rarely any other.

Just to be clear here I'm not attacking the mods or anything, in fact I believe that of all the communities I frequent NS has one of the best mod teams. But this decision in particular, equating RWDT and LWDT when the nature and culture of those threads were completely opposite, seems very strange to me.

What I would like specifically answered is, where do we go from here? LWDT was a place where I could take a bit of theory, compare it to other works I had read, and have conversations with fellow leftists about how the given work relates to their worldviews. It was a place where different yet aligned views could synthesize and compete openly. I very much liked this part of NSG. In the future, when I would like to have conversations like this, should I make an individual thread for each discussion I would like to hold? That seems like it would get extraneous very quickly. A lot of these discussions got very nitty-gritty with long and well-cited posts by several people, which seems ill-suited to a unique thread.

[Luziyca]

Having a few porn spammers is par for the course for a typical NS summer. I sure hope it wasn't someone pissed that the wing threads are closed, and it's just some run-of-the-mill porn spammer.

If some of the porn posts were any indication, it looked like someone was pissed that the RWDT was locked down.

Probably someone committing suicide by mod in that case, all because that thread got locked.

-snip-

Given NS is currently experiencing an influx of a metric ton of dicks because both the RWDT and the LWDT were closed, I think that keeping the LWDT open and just locking the RWDT altogether would have just made things worse, not to mention they'd be seen as being "unfairly targetted."

[Neanderthaland]

Having a few porn spammers is par for the course for a typical NS summer. I sure hope it wasn't someone pissed that the wing threads are closed, and it's just some run-of-the-mill porn spammer.

"RWDT WILL BE AVENGED, NS MODS ARE N*****" seems like angry right wingers, so yeah

Didn't Bear Stearns say he was going to do exactly that?

[Diarcesia]

Having a few porn spammers is par for the course for a typical NS summer. I sure hope it wasn't someone pissed that the wing threads are closed, and it's just some run-of-the-mill porn spammer.

If some of the porn posts were any indication, it looked like someone was pissed that the RWDT was locked down.

If they gonna go that route, then good riddance to those threads.

It screams rules for thee, not for me.

Edit: Really. If the spammers were RWDT regulars, the mods made the right decision. You'll not be missed.

[Cisairse]

Given NS is currently experiencing an influx of a metric ton of dicks because both the RWDT and the LWDT were closed, I think that keeping the LWDT open and just locking the RWDT altogether would have just made things worse, not to mention they'd be seen as being "unfairly targetted."

I mean, I guess that comes down to if you buy into the "right-wingers are unfairly targeted in general" bit; RWDT has definitely seen more redtext than LWDT, at least in the time that I've been here. Especially recently.

Personally I don't really buy it.

[Godular]

So I am super late to this, I realize (45 pages late, in fact), but I'd like to throw in my opinion.

I have been frequenting LWDT for a few months, and only occasionally posting on RWDT. I don't really see the logic in closing both megathreads. From my experience, LWDT and RWDT are completely incomparable. RWDT definitely had cliques and its share of socialization and bad-faith posting; however, I don't think that sort of thing really happened on LWDT? For one thing, LWDT was way slower than RWDT, and generally (again, from my experience) featured more long-form and in-depth discussion on relevant topics. By that I mean I actually had my views changed more than once in LWDT which I cannot say about any other thread on NSG.

In fact most of the time when I'd open NSG I would just open the 2020 election thread and LWDT because I was pretty much guaranteed to read something I felt worth reading in those threads, and rarely any other.

Just to be clear here I'm not attacking the mods or anything, in fact I believe that of all the communities I frequent NS has one of the best mod teams. But this decision in particular, equating RWDT and LWDT when the nature and culture of those threads were completely opposite, seems very strange to me.

What I would like specifically answered is, where do we go from here? LWDT was a place where I could take a bit of theory, compare it to other works I had read, and have conversations with fellow leftists about how the given work relates to their worldviews. It was a place where different yet aligned views could synthesize and compete openly. I very much liked this part of NSG. In the future, when I would like to have conversations like this, should I make an individual thread for each discussion I would like to hold? That seems like it would get extraneous very quickly. A lot of these discussions got very nitty-gritty with long and well-cited posts by several people, which seems ill-suited to a unique thread.

One need not worry about cluttering up NSG if that is your worry.

[Joohan]

If some of the porn posts were any indication, it looked like someone was pissed that the RWDT was locked down.

Probably someone committing suicide by mod in that case, all because that thread got locked.

-snip-

Given NS is currently experiencing an influx of a metric ton of dicks because both the RWDT and the LWDT were closed, I think that keeping the LWDT open and just locking the RWDT altogether would have just made things worse, not to mention they'd be seen as being "unfairly targetted."

I'm gonna be totally honest, LWDT was way more chill than RWDT. I wasn't a frequent poster, but they weren't much for socializing like their counterparts. If i'm being real, the only reason why LWDT is getting banned, is cause just banning RWDT would have looked WAAAAAAAAY worse than this current dumpster fire.

[Luziyca]

If some of the porn posts were any indication, it looked like someone was pissed that the RWDT was locked down.

If they gonna go that route, then good riddance to those threads.

It screams rules for thee, not for me.

Pretty much. If anything, the recent reaction has only strengthened my agreement with the staff, and I don't really think that there is really anything worth salvaging from the wing threads, particularly the RWDT.

Given NS is currently experiencing an influx of a metric ton of dicks because both the RWDT and the LWDT were closed, I think that keeping the LWDT open and just locking the RWDT altogether would have just made things worse, not to mention they'd be seen as being "unfairly targetted."

I mean, I guess that comes down to if you buy into the "right-wingers are unfairly targeted in general" bit; RWDT has definitely seen more redtext than LWDT, at least in the time that I've been here. Especially recently.

Personally I don't really buy it.

Neither do I, but given that is how they are reacting after both the RWDT and the LWDT are closed, I shudder to imagine what would have happened had they just closed the RWDT. Probably even more porn.

[Arcturus Novus]

If some of the porn posts were any indication, it looked like someone was pissed that the RWDT was locked down.

Probably someone committing suicide by mod in that case, all because that thread got locked.

-snip-

Given NS is currently experiencing an influx of a metric ton of dicks because both the RWDT and the LWDT were closed, I think that keeping the LWDT open and just locking the RWDT altogether would have just made things worse, not to mention they'd be seen as being "unfairly targetted."

Leftists don't spam forums with mutilated cocks and racial slurs. We have class. We'd use furry porn.

[Joohan]

So I am super late to this, I realize (45 pages late, in fact), but I'd like to throw in my opinion.

I have been frequenting LWDT for a few months, and only occasionally posting on RWDT. I don't really see the logic in closing both megathreads. From my experience, LWDT and RWDT are completely incomparable. RWDT definitely had cliques and its share of socialization and bad-faith posting; however, I don't think that sort of thing really happened on LWDT? For one thing, LWDT was way slower than RWDT, and generally (again, from my experience) featured more long-form and in-depth discussion on relevant topics. By that I mean I actually had my views changed more than once in LWDT which I cannot say about any other thread on NSG.

In fact most of the time when I'd open NSG I would just open the 2020 election thread and LWDT because I was pretty much guaranteed to read something I felt worth reading in those threads, and rarely any other.

Just to be clear here I'm not attacking the mods or anything, in fact I believe that of all the communities I frequent NS has one of the best mod teams. But this decision in particular, equating RWDT and LWDT when the nature and culture of those threads were completely opposite, seems very strange to me.

What I would like specifically answered is, where do we go from here? LWDT was a place where I could take a bit of theory, compare it to other works I had read, and have conversations with fellow leftists about how the given work relates to their worldviews. It was a place where different yet aligned views could synthesize and compete openly. I very much liked this part of NSG. In the future, when I would like to have conversations like this, should I make an individual thread for each discussion I would like to hold? That seems like it would get extraneous very quickly. A lot of these discussions got very nitty-gritty with long and well-cited posts by several people, which seems ill-suited to a unique thread.

One need not worry about cluttering up NSG if that is your worry.

Actually, it would seem that clutter is a problem, as apparently the mods don't have enough staff to efficiently moderate

[Cisairse]

So I am super late to this, I realize (45 pages late, in fact), but I'd like to throw in my opinion.

I have been frequenting LWDT for a few months, and only occasionally posting on RWDT. I don't really see the logic in closing both megathreads. From my experience, LWDT and RWDT are completely incomparable. RWDT definitely had cliques and its share of socialization and bad-faith posting; however, I don't think that sort of thing really happened on LWDT? For one thing, LWDT was way slower than RWDT, and generally (again, from my experience) featured more long-form and in-depth discussion on relevant topics. By that I mean I actually had my views changed more than once in LWDT which I cannot say about any other thread on NSG.

In fact most of the time when I'd open NSG I would just open the 2020 election thread and LWDT because I was pretty much guaranteed to read something I felt worth reading in those threads, and rarely any other.

Just to be clear here I'm not attacking the mods or anything, in fact I believe that of all the communities I frequent NS has one of the best mod teams. But this decision in particular, equating RWDT and LWDT when the nature and culture of those threads were completely opposite, seems very strange to me.

What I would like specifically answered is, where do we go from here? LWDT was a place where I could take a bit of theory, compare it to other works I had read, and have conversations with fellow leftists about how the given work relates to their worldviews. It was a place where different yet aligned views could synthesize and compete openly. I very much liked this part of NSG. In the future, when I would like to have conversations like this, should I make an individual thread for each discussion I would like to hold? That seems like it would get extraneous very quickly. A lot of these discussions got very nitty-gritty with long and well-cited posts by several people, which seems ill-suited to a unique thread.

One need not worry about cluttering up NSG if that is your worry.

My worry isn't so much "cluttering" NSG as much as splitting what is realistically one string of discussions that are logically grouped together into an endless number of threads every time someone thinks of something that doesn't directly relate to the previous topic.

That is, my view is that LWDT existed as a megathread for a reason.