[Discussion/Announcement] NSG's "Wing" Megathreads

[La Xinga]

I don't know enough of the story, but they should probably have passworded it.

That doesn't hide their RMB, though.

Gren said he/she accidentally joined, password would have prevented that!

[Grenartia]

Well, that's the impression your post left me with, that you were dejected because you knew you couldn't be civil.

I can be civil. The question is whether or not that will matter to the mods, given the likely content of my posts on certain subjects.

If you can be civil, then you literally don't have to worry.

I'm religious, myself. Maybe don't presume shit like that without evidence.

Your dismissive attitude towards a fellow religious person is duly noted, and does not improve my perception of the left by one iota.

Please don't use our religion as a shield from legitimate criticism.

If your values are shitty and toxic and dehumanizing, they should be wiped away, and nobody should feel compelled to speak in their defense.

From my perspective, it is the values of the sexual revolution and its daughter movements that are "toxic and dehumanizing." The question is whether or not the moderation team is willing to countenance such a perspective on their site, and you have given me no confidence that they are.

Its pretty telling that you think your views will get you banned.

The mods aren't here to give you a safe space or an echo chamber. If you want that, go to another site. If you want to put your ideas in a crucible, stick around.

People dismissing me as a bigot and accusing me of hatred will not help me refine my arguments, nor will it convince me that my interlocutors are intellectually and morally superior. Presumably, the purpose of putting my ideas through a crucible would be to achieve one of the two results, would it not?

Yes. However, you don't get simply 'dismissed' as a bigot or accused of hatred here. At least not the first time. An unwillingness to engage in good faith breeds more unwillingess to engage in good faith. More often than not, your ideas will be dismantled and examined, and shown why they are good, bad, or neither.

The most likely response to my ideas, were I to post them in 99.9% of the relevant threads of NSG, would have more to do with a wildfire than a furnace: full of sound and fury, yet of insufficient intellectual heat to refine anything. What I am asking for is less a safe space, and more a space where serious discussion can take place. In order for that to happen, however, we need a place where my ideas will be taken seriously enough to merit a serious response. Hence my request.

Unless you're literally phrasing things like a troll, or have repeatedly demonstrated an unwillingness to respond seriously, you will be taken seriously.

Well, maybe don't create a space from which to spread toxic cancer all over the forum.

...it was completely contained in one region gameside, wtf are you talking about

You're the biologist here. What happens when a gangrenous limb isn't removed?

To CEKOVIU, since I can't quote for some reason, Gren went and reported them all? For what?

I didn't come close to reporting all, or even most, of the posts on the RMB. I only reported the ones that I felt were actually rules-breaking. In total, 13 posts, by my count.

I reported for:
flaming against an individual (3 separate posts against 3 separate people)
flaming a group of people (2 posts, against the same group)
Covid misinformation (1 post)
Calling the mods "pedo enablers" (1 post)
Evading the RMB censor (5 posts)
Triple parentheses (1 post, completely unironically, and I ignored one post that I thought was ironic usage)

There was a lot more that I could have reported for, based on previous times I've seen moderation take action when something like it happened on the forum, like censoring an ethnic group as if it were a slur, though I felt the instances I saw weren't clear-cut enough to be actionable.

No. All I did was accidentally join the region, and sift through the RMB. Most of it was just shitposting, tbh, but there was unironic triple parentheses, COVID-19 misinfo, people calling other posters in this thread "r*tards", calling mods "pedo enablers", and calling someone a "queer bootlicker" for simply daring to thank a mod (I'm actually shocked that one wasn't directed at me).

I couldn't even have raided if I wanted to. The WA Delegate is non-executive, and they have an active founder.

You by mistake joined?

Accidentally clicked the join button while on my main account.

Besides the point, I dunno what the region is, and if they didn't like you, why didn't they ban you?

When I visited as my main nation, I got out of there a few minutes afterwards. It took them a grand total of 21 hours (after they had been active on the RMB for the entire time since then) to notice I had been there, and one of them tagged me in a post. I dropped in using a puppet, apparently while the founder was busy.

And the point of the region was to roast mods?

No, the point of the region was to continue the toxic atmosphere of the RWDT.

To CEKOVIU, since I can't quote for some reason, Gren went and reported them all? For what?

banter.

You can stop lying, Cek. Unless you'd like to explain how flaming 3 separate individuals, an entire group of players, and the collective modteam is "simply banter" that shouldn't have any consequences attached to it.

(I can't quote stuff and divide stuff cuz NS, so dis. )

1. Banter......is actionable?!

*hides in corner*
2. What was the point of the region? I see a new region with a lot of NSGers.

1. Banter isn't. Bantz is for the most part though, yeah.
2. To basically have a RWDT meet up that's not as monitored by the Mods as the forums are. Don't know why they did that though considering they could just make their own forum or dedicated discord server and remove any actionability entirely.

Because apparently the last few RWDT discords ended in a dumpster fire, because surprise surprise, a place that tolerates blatant flaming tends to tear itself apart from within.

Sorry, but why on Earth are folks trying to actually blame Grenartia for reporting rule-breaking? There are site rules, and they are applicable to RMB's as well. It's not too difficult to adhere to rules. The question of whether or not she reports those with left-wing views is impertinent: it's up to her to report somebody or not. She's a user, just like the rest of us, and not a moderator. If you were complaining about a moderator taking sides based on ideology, that would have mattered - and to those who say they are, there hasn't been a shred of evidence to suggest such - but actually bringing up Grenartia reporting people, as an issue, is simply ludicrous. Yes, she reports people. Just like we all do.

Tit-for-tat reporting might be a problem, but I'm not certain if "well, left-wingers shouldn't go into right-wing regions and report them" is the solution. Just because you cannot have a safe-space on the forums doesn't mean you get to create one in a region, as those too fall under the purview of the site and its moderators.

Thank you, for being a voice of reason here.

Sorry, but why on Earth are folks trying to actually blame Grenartia for reporting rule-breaking? There are site rules, and they are applicable to RMB's as well. It's not too difficult to adhere to rules. The question of whether or not she reports those with left-wing views is impertinent: it's up to her to report somebody or not. She's a user, just like the rest of us, and not a moderator. If you were complaining about a moderator taking sides based on ideology, that would have mattered - and to those who say they are, there hasn't been a shred of evidence to suggest such - but actually bringing up Grenartia reporting people, as an issue, is simply ludicrous. Yes, she reports people. Just like we all do.

Tit-for-tat reporting might be a problem, but I'm not certain if "well, left-wingers shouldn't go into right-wing regions and report them" is the solution. Just because you cannot have a safe-space on the forums doesn't mean you get to create one in a region, as those too fall under the purview of the site and its moderators.

I don't know enough of the story, but they should probably have passworded it.

They absolutely should have, but that admittedly limits growth, and they were still trying to get a few others from the RWDT clique in there.

I don't know enough of the story, but they should probably have passworded it.

That doesn't hide their RMB, though.

And I still would've reported the relevant posts.

That doesn't hide their RMB, though.

Gren said he/she accidentally joined, password would have prevented that!

Passworded regions' RMBs are still publicly visible.

[Chenjithuujen]

Why did you lock my forum for me just existing I was so happy with it then you come along and lock it for existing, I am really sad and you just abused your "power".

[Chenjithuujen]

You WILL unlock it as there was no reason for you to lock it, it was called Discussion and Relaxation. I hate you for this, like really you just abused your power.

[Katganistan]

You WILL unlock it as there was no reason for you to lock it, it was called Discussion and Relaxation. I hate you for this, like really you just abused your power.

It's in the wrong place, and it is spammy, which was explained to you.
It will not be reopened.
We are not abusing our power.
Hating us is your prerogative, but I suggest you'd be better off reading The One Stop Rules Shop instead.

And once again, neither of your posts have anything to do with this topic. Go start a post in Moderation asking for an appeal or an explanation of a ruling.

[Kowani]

Sorry, but why on Earth are folks trying to actually blame Grenartia for reporting rule-breaking? There are site rules, and they are applicable to RMB's as well. It's not too difficult to adhere to rules. The question of whether or not she reports those with left-wing views is impertinent: it's up to her to report somebody or not. She's a user, just like the rest of us, and not a moderator. If you were complaining about a moderator taking sides based on ideology, that would have mattered - and to those who say they are, there hasn't been a shred of evidence to suggest such - but actually bringing up Grenartia reporting people, as an issue, is simply ludicrous. Yes, she reports people. Just like we all do.

Tit-for-tat reporting might be a problem, but I'm not certain if "well, left-wingers shouldn't go into right-wing regions and report them" is the solution. Just because you cannot have a safe-space on the forums doesn't mean you get to create one in a region, as those too fall under the purview of the site and its moderators.

The old RWDT doesn’t like the Mods.

[Vapormancer]

The old RWDT doesn’t like the Mods.

Now, now that is rather unnecessary. We quite like the mods. A true patriot criticizes things from time to time out of love of his country, as we do out of love for moderation.

They absolutely should have, but that admittedly limits growth, and they were still trying to get a few others from the RWDT clique in there.

It was meant to be friendly and open. We are quite tolerant, diversity after all is our strength. A lesson that others might do well to learn.

[CoraSpia]

The old RWDT doesn’t like the Mods.

Now, now that is rather unnecessary. We quite like the mods. A true patriot criticizes things from time to time out of love of his country, as we do out of love for moderation.

They absolutely should have, but that admittedly limits growth, and they were still trying to get a few others from the RWDT clique in there.

It was meant to be friendly and open. We are quite tolerant, diversity after all is our strength. A lesson that others might do well to learn.

I'm hardly classic rwdt lol

[Katganistan]

Since it seems that there haven't been any more suggestions, as Neutraligon asked for last night, and this is just becoming a chat thread, iLock. Thank you, those of you who made suggestions; we'll be discussing them and what changes might be plausible.