[Discussion/Announcement] NSG's "Wing" Megathreads

[Bienenhalde]

This might be an idea worth discussing further. Obviously the matter of "way too broad a focus" is still a concern, but I would be curious to hear how folks would envision such a thread looking like and functioning. Sort of a politics-themed chat thread; with more in-depth discussions on more specific topics off in their own dedicated threads like we already have? Something more heavily organized to resemble a more formal debate on a series of subjects? While it's the official position that TET is "the NSG chat thread", that doesn't mean we can't look at the idea some.

Isn't that what the rest of NSG outside the megathreads is for?

I feel like it is harder to have sweeping theoretical or historical discussions in non-megathreads because of the risk of getting in trouble for threadjacking.

[Luminesa]

The obvious alternative would be that we just have lots of little threads. Which is how it used to be, no?

Yes and moderation found it difficult and annoying to be policing so many threads, especially when a lot of them could be jumbled up into larger threads that would be about the same topic. That was also when, iirc, there were more mods around.

Like four or five mods have dropped off the map in maybe the last three years? That's a lot. And policing that many threads probably does get frustrating.

[USS Monitor]

Isn't that what the rest of NSG outside the megathreads is for?

I feel like it is harder to have sweeping theoretical or historical discussions in non-megathreads because of the risk of getting in trouble for threadjacking.

Pick a subject -- something that you might have posted as a sub-topic within RWDT -- and give it a try.

[The Reformed American Republic]

I feel like it is harder to have sweeping theoretical or historical discussions in non-megathreads because of the risk of getting in trouble for threadjacking.

Pick a subject -- something that you might have posted as a sub-topic within RWDT -- and give it a try.

Then when that has a sub-sub topic, then the red text flies out.

[Nouveau Quebecois]

Only on NationStates do the moderators not want to moderate.

[Nouveau Quebecois]

Is anyone here really, genuinely happy with NationStates Moderation? Is anyone actually content with their conduct?

Idk if treason is violates rule 500 of the TOS but the community (excluding the mods who seem to only adverse the community) should really start discussing revolting against the Mod team, or if that's even possible.

Maybe there's a way we can go directly to Max Barry? Tell him his staff are killing the site from within. Maybe not. What's certain is that we need to find someway to save this site from itself without leaving it for another which is always an option. That should be the next discussion thread.

[Geneviev]

Is anyone here really, genuinely happy with NationStates Moderation? Is anyone actually content with their conduct?

Idk if treason is violates rule 500 of the TOS but the community (excluding the mods who seem to only adverse the community) should really start discussing revolting against the Mod team, or if that's even possible.

Maybe there's a way we can go directly to Max Barry? Tell him his staff are killing the site from within. Maybe not. What's certain is that we need to find someway to save this site from itself without leaving it for another which is always an option. That should be the next discussion thread.

I'm happy with mods. They do a good job, as far as I can tell.

[Nouveau Quebecois]

Yes and moderation found it difficult and annoying to be policing so many threads, especially when a lot of them could be jumbled up into larger threads that would be about the same topic. That was also when, iirc, there were more mods around.

Like four or five mods have dropped off the map in maybe the last three years? That's a lot. And policing that many threads probably does get frustrating.

So don't be a mod. Resign if it's too frustrating. I can't count how many other people on this site are more then capable and ready to take their place.

[Nouveau Quebecois]

Is anyone here really, genuinely happy with NationStates Moderation? Is anyone actually content with their conduct?

Idk if treason is violates rule 500 of the TOS but the community (excluding the mods who seem to only adverse the community) should really start discussing revolting against the Mod team, or if that's even possible.

Maybe there's a way we can go directly to Max Barry? Tell him his staff are killing the site from within. Maybe not. What's certain is that we need to find someway to save this site from itself without leaving it for another which is always an option. That should be the next discussion thread.

I'm happy with mods. They do a good job, as far as I can tell.

Ok, I stand corrected. You are happy with the mods and their recent decision.

[Aeritai]

Is anyone here really, genuinely happy with NationStates Moderation? Is anyone actually content with their conduct?

Idk if treason is violates rule 500 of the TOS but the community (excluding the mods who seem to only adverse the community) should really start discussing revolting against the Mod team, or if that's even possible.

Maybe there's a way we can go directly to Max Barry? Tell him his staff are killing the site from within. Maybe not. What's certain is that we need to find someway to save this site from itself without leaving it for another which is always an option. That should be the next discussion thread.

I'm pretty sure Max Berry doesn't even pay attention to this website, unless it has something to do with updates and Covid-19 of course.

[Geneviev]

I'm happy with mods. They do a good job, as far as I can tell.

Ok, I stand corrected. You are happy with the mods and their recent decision.

Yep. The megathreads could be better.

[Luziyca]

Is anyone here really, genuinely happy with NationStates Moderation? Is anyone actually content with their conduct?

Idk if treason is violates rule 500 of the TOS but the community (excluding the mods who seem to only adverse the community) should really start discussing revolting against the Mod team, or if that's even possible.

Maybe there's a way we can go directly to Max Barry? Tell him his staff are killing the site from within. Maybe not. What's certain is that we need to find someway to save this site from itself without leaving it for another which is always an option. That should be the next discussion thread.

Yes, I am really and genuinely happy with the NS staff. Compared to most other sites, the mod team is excellent, and I would happily keep them in charge, especially since they are much more responsive to user complaints than other fora on the world wide web.

If anything, the NS staff should stay the course and not give in to the peer pressure of those trying to make the fucking Himalayas out of this tiny molehill.

[The Marlborough]

Like four or five mods have dropped off the map in maybe the last three years? That's a lot. And policing that many threads probably does get frustrating.

So don't be a mod. Resign if it's too frustrating. I can't count how many other people on this site are more then capable and ready to take their place.

I've heard rumors that Max himself has taken an active interest in trying to get rid of "problem" posters so I doubt appealing to him will do anything.

[Neutraligon]

Is anyone here really, genuinely happy with NationStates Moderation? Is anyone actually content with their conduct?

Idk if treason is violates rule 500 of the TOS but the community (excluding the mods who seem to only adverse the community) should really start discussing revolting against the Mod team, or if that's even possible.

Maybe there's a way we can go directly to Max Barry? Tell him his staff are killing the site from within. Maybe not. What's certain is that we need to find someway to save this site from itself without leaving it for another which is always an option. That should be the next discussion thread.

If you have valid complaints of moderator abuse, please file them via the Getting Help page. Moderators cannot edit, delete, or otherwise alter the contents of your GHR, and mod abuse reports are flagged for immediate admin attention. Be sure to include all relevant links to what you are reporting as well as a clear and concise explanation of what the problem is. I must inform you that the administrators have very little patience for frivolous or outright fraudulent reports, and are liable to dismiss incomplete, unspecific, or wildly generalized complaints outright. (IE: "The mods are corrupt!" absent any evidence attached to the report.)

[Titanne]

Is anyone here really, genuinely happy with NationStates Moderation? Is anyone actually content with their conduct?

Idk if treason is violates rule 500 of the TOS but the community (excluding the mods who seem to only adverse the community) should really start discussing revolting against the Mod team, or if that's even possible.

Maybe there's a way we can go directly to Max Barry? Tell him his staff are killing the site from within. Maybe not. What's certain is that we need to find someway to save this site from itself without leaving it for another which is always an option. That should be the next discussion thread.

I'm happy with the mods and while I don't agree with everything they do, tough decisions have to be made.

"Revolt" is not productive.

[The Marlborough]

Is anyone here really, genuinely happy with NationStates Moderation? Is anyone actually content with their conduct?

Idk if treason is violates rule 500 of the TOS but the community (excluding the mods who seem to only adverse the community) should really start discussing revolting against the Mod team, or if that's even possible.

Maybe there's a way we can go directly to Max Barry? Tell him his staff are killing the site from within. Maybe not. What's certain is that we need to find someway to save this site from itself without leaving it for another which is always an option. That should be the next discussion thread.

If you have valid complaints of moderator abuse, please file them via the Getting Help page. Moderators cannot edit, delete, or otherwise alter the contents of your GHR, and mod abuse reports are flagged for immediate admin attention. Be sure to include all relevant links to what you are reporting as well as a clear and concise explanation of what the problem is. I must inform you that the administrators have very little patience for frivolous or outright fraudulent reports, and are liable to dismiss incomplete, unspecific, or wildly generalized complaints outright. (IE: "The mods are corrupt!" absent any evidence attached to the report.)

Rehashing the same paragraph over and over again won't do anything.

[South Odreria 2]

Is anyone here really, genuinely happy with NationStates Moderation? Is anyone actually content with their conduct?

Idk if treason is violates rule 500 of the TOS but the community (excluding the mods who seem to only adverse the community) should really start discussing revolting against the Mod team, or if that's even possible.

Maybe there's a way we can go directly to Max Barry? Tell him his staff are killing the site from within. Maybe not. What's certain is that we need to find someway to save this site from itself without leaving it for another which is always an option. That should be the next discussion thread.

There is something we can do, it’s called pressure the mods to make a set of rules that makes sense.

[Nouveau Quebecois]

Is anyone here really, genuinely happy with NationStates Moderation? Is anyone actually content with their conduct?

Idk if treason is violates rule 500 of the TOS but the community (excluding the mods who seem to only adverse the community) should really start discussing revolting against the Mod team, or if that's even possible.

Maybe there's a way we can go directly to Max Barry? Tell him his staff are killing the site from within. Maybe not. What's certain is that we need to find someway to save this site from itself without leaving it for another which is always an option. That should be the next discussion thread.

If you have valid complaints of moderator abuse, please file them via the Getting Help page. Moderators cannot edit, delete, or otherwise alter the contents of your GHR, and mod abuse reports are flagged for immediate admin attention. Be sure to include all relevant links to what you are reporting as well as a clear and concise explanation of what the problem is. I must inform you that the administrators have very little patience for frivolous or outright fraudulent reports, and are liable to dismiss incomplete, unspecific, or wildly generalized complaints outright. (IE: "The mods are corrupt!" absent any evidence attached to the report.)

What, want me to submit a GHR on behalf of everyone you pissed off with this decision?

[Nouveau Quebecois]

Is anyone here really, genuinely happy with NationStates Moderation? Is anyone actually content with their conduct?

Idk if treason is violates rule 500 of the TOS but the community (excluding the mods who seem to only adverse the community) should really start discussing revolting against the Mod team, or if that's even possible.

Maybe there's a way we can go directly to Max Barry? Tell him his staff are killing the site from within. Maybe not. What's certain is that we need to find someway to save this site from itself without leaving it for another which is always an option. That should be the next discussion thread.

There is something we can do, it’s called pressure the mods to make a set of rules that makes sense.

Then what? Listen to them complain more about how stressful their unpaid volunteer labour is?

[Luziyca]

Is anyone here really, genuinely happy with NationStates Moderation? Is anyone actually content with their conduct?

Idk if treason is violates rule 500 of the TOS but the community (excluding the mods who seem to only adverse the community) should really start discussing revolting against the Mod team, or if that's even possible.

Maybe there's a way we can go directly to Max Barry? Tell him his staff are killing the site from within. Maybe not. What's certain is that we need to find someway to save this site from itself without leaving it for another which is always an option. That should be the next discussion thread.

There is something we can do, it’s called pressure the mods to make a set of rules that makes sense.

The rules as they stand now are consistent, and they make logical sense. It only appears this way because people don't report everything that violates the rules.

[Nouveau Quebecois]

There is something we can do, it’s called pressure the mods to make a set of rules that makes sense.

The rules as they stand now are consistent, and they make logical sense. It only appears this way because people don't report everything that violates the rules.

Because the moderators don't moderate unless someone asks them too.

[Giovenith]

Discourse isn't the same thing as using an area as a hub to target and attack individuals or user with beliefs who don't agree with yours, which was not an uncommon occurrence in the RWDT specifically.

You and the rest of the party-line Democrats do that nonstop in every thread.

Dial it back, please.

[South Odreria 2]

There is something we can do, it’s called pressure the mods to make a set of rules that makes sense.

The rules as they stand now are consistent, and they make logical sense. It only appears this way because people don't report everything that violates the rules.

To give one example, the definition of trolling is “posted with the sole intent to anger” or similar, which does not work because you can’t tell intent by a forum post.

[The Marlborough]

The rules as they stand now are consistent, and they make logical sense. It only appears this way because people don't report everything that violates the rules.

To give one example, the definition of trolling is “posted with the sole intent to anger people” or similar, which makes zero sense because you can’t tell intent by a forum post.

Or the all X are Y rule, which is hilariously inconsistent in its enforcement and standards.

[Nouveau Quebecois]

The rules as they stand now are consistent, and they make logical sense. It only appears this way because people don't report everything that violates the rules.

To give one example, the definition of trolling is “posted with the sole intent to anger people” or similar, which makes zero sense because you can’t tell intent by a forum post.

Luckily ill-definitions makes rules more easily manipulatable by those who enforce it.