[Discussion/Announcement] NSG's "Wing" Megathreads

[Souseiseki]

If there's a generic politics megathread, then NSG will basically just be an empty wasteland comprised of just that and TET.

It already is a wasteland. Apart from LWDT and RWDT there hasn't been worthwhile discussion in general for years now.

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[Hakons]

I think the mods are being patient that they haven't locked that thread already.

We are giving it a chance. Whether it gets locked or not depends entirely on if the posters repeat what they did with the RWDT/LWDT.

As in, if "problematic" people continue to dare to have discourse together

[Neanderthaland]

I'm not too broken up about this, since I barely participated in either thread.

But it does seem like there should be some sort of more political megathread, so as to not undermine the typically laid-back atmosphere of TET. Maybe a combined "politics" megathread? Cliques would be less of an issue of both RWDT and LWDT types were engaging in the same thread. And presumably they would report each other's rule-breaking.

If there's a generic politics megathread, then NSG will basically just be an empty wasteland comprised of just that and TET.

Fair enough? I don't know how it would play out. I'm just spit-balling here.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

Sure, we repeatedly faced rules breaking from the RWDT to a major extent and the LWDT thread to a lesser extent. When I ruled a post actionable and placed a long ban due to extended history of the poster (Their previous ban was 1 weeks so I moved up the ban length to 2 weeks) we had a series of flaming on moderation. At that point we started to discuss if these threads were instead acting as places where people were rule breaking and since the threads where essentially cliques, not reporting. We did a brief trawl of the thread and confirmed that was indeed the case. We have been having this discussion low key until recently with people giving their opinion on if these threads where worth keeping. Then we had people say not to report rule breaking behavior in the threads, finally pushing this issue over the edge. Self monitoring was not working. It is not realistic to expect Moderation to compile a full list of every rulebreaking instance, but it should be known that this was not a random decision, but a result of long-term monitoring of the threads and the behavior/culture of its players. The players in question know exactly what they were doing, and they are mistaken if they really think that we don't know as well. If outsiders are skeptical, they are free to examine the threads, especially the last few pages of the last two, for themselves.

For clarification, what posts and posters were you referring to?

[Zeritae]

I guess the wings were clipped.

[New haven america]

We are giving it a chance. Whether it gets locked or not depends entirely on if the posters repeat what they did with the RWDT/LWDT.

As in, if "problematic" people continue to dare to have discourse together

Discourse isn't the same thing as using an area as a hub to target and attack individuals or user with beliefs who don't agree with yours, which was not an uncommon occurrence in the RWDT specifically.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

A generic political/historical thread where we could discuss history and politics from different places and times (without having to make a separate thread every time) would be very appreciated. Gee, we could even split it into two, maybe one that focuses on right-wing things, and another on left-wing things, to make it less of a jumble. Hmmm... I wonder what we could call these threads...

[Luziyca]

If there's a generic politics megathread, then NSG will basically just be an empty wasteland comprised of just that and TET.

Not really if current events are deliberately not at focus.

As long as that is the case.

...Wow.

Eh, I'm honestly surprised the RWDT at least didn't get locked down last year.

Probably because if they locked it down, the participants at the RWDT would have basically been pissed at the "double standard" of their thread being locked while the LWDT could continue as normal.

[Hakons]

As in, if "problematic" people continue to dare to have discourse together

Discourse isn't the same thing as using an area as a hub to target and attack individuals or user with beliefs who don't agree with yours, which was not an uncommon occurrence in the RWDT specifically.

That's a good definition for the Abortion Thread, tbh

[Grill Pill]

Two wings but one bird.

[Santheres]

Feel free to link us some samples and we'll review whether or not the thread meets the megathread criteria.

The samples is the entire series of threads. It's largely just the same couple of users having a thread to themselves and occasionally posting something more on topic, it's virtually indistinct from RWDT from the outside looking in. One is broadly about disliking Trump, one is broadly about right wing politics, both serve as a hub and general area to chat for people of those persuasions. The past couple of pages in the MAGAthread have virtually nothing to do with the president or news about him.

Hello!

It seems that you believe a threadjack is happening in an NSG thread. I can't, however, find any reports on it from you.

I have reviewed the thread in question, specifically the last couple of pages as you indicated, and it appears to largely be about John Bolton, who is specifically relevant in the newscycle due to his association with the Trump administration (i.e. MAGA-associated), so I do not believe that this qualifies as a threadjack.

If you would like a more in-depth trawl to see if a threatening loom, etc. is needed, feel free to make a report on it.

Thank you!

[New haven america]

Discourse isn't the same thing as using an area as a hub to target and attack individuals or user with beliefs who don't agree with yours, which was not an uncommon occurrence in the RWDT specifically.

That's a good definition for the Abortion Thread, tbh

The abortion thread is a shithole only those with nothing to lose should participate in.

[Geneviev]

That's a good definition for the Abortion Thread, tbh

The abortion thread is a shithole only those with nothing to lose should participate in.

I tried once, I can only confirm this.

[South Odreria 2]

As in, if "problematic" people continue to dare to have discourse together

Discourse isn't the same thing as using an area as a hub to target and attack individuals or user with beliefs who don't agree with yours, which was not an uncommon occurrence in the RWDT specifically.

You and the rest of the party-line Democrats do that nonstop in every thread.

[Reploid Productions]

I'm not too broken up about this, since I barely participated in either thread.

But it does seem like there should be some sort of more political megathread, so as to not undermine the typically laid-back atmosphere of TET. Maybe a combined "politics" megathread? Cliques would be less of an issue of both RWDT and LWDT types were engaging in the same thread. And presumably they would report each other's rule-breaking.

This might be an idea worth discussing further. Obviously the matter of "way too broad a focus" is still a concern, but I would be curious to hear how folks would envision such a thread looking like and functioning. Sort of a politics-themed chat thread; with more in-depth discussions on more specific topics off in their own dedicated threads like we already have? Something more heavily organized to resemble a more formal debate on a series of subjects? While it's the official position that TET is "the NSG chat thread", that doesn't mean we can't look at the idea some.

[New haven america]

Discourse isn't the same thing as using an area as a hub to target and attack individuals or user with beliefs who don't agree with yours, which was not an uncommon occurrence in the RWDT specifically.

You and the rest of the party-line Democrats do that nonstop in every thread.

^Exhibit A of what I'm talking about

PS: Is this reportable?

[The Marlborough]

We should divide the general politics thread into two wings to prevent things getting confused and jumbled. One based around right-wing political philosophy and history, the other left.

[Neanderthaland]

I'm not too broken up about this, since I barely participated in either thread.

But it does seem like there should be some sort of more political megathread, so as to not undermine the typically laid-back atmosphere of TET. Maybe a combined "politics" megathread? Cliques would be less of an issue of both RWDT and LWDT types were engaging in the same thread. And presumably they would report each other's rule-breaking.

This might be an idea worth discussing further. Obviously the matter of "way too broad a focus" is still a concern, but I would be curious to hear how folks would envision such a thread looking like and functioning. Sort of a politics-themed chat thread; with more in-depth discussions on more specific topics off in their own dedicated threads like we already have? Something more heavily organized to resemble a more formal debate on a series of subjects? While it's the official position that TET is "the NSG chat thread", that doesn't mean we can't look at the idea some.

The obvious alternative would be that we just have lots of little threads. Which is how it used to be, no?

[USS Monitor]

I'm not too broken up about this, since I barely participated in either thread.

But it does seem like there should be some sort of more political megathread, so as to not undermine the typically laid-back atmosphere of TET. Maybe a combined "politics" megathread? Cliques would be less of an issue of both RWDT and LWDT types were engaging in the same thread. And presumably they would report each other's rule-breaking.

This might be an idea worth discussing further. Obviously the matter of "way too broad a focus" is still a concern, but I would be curious to hear how folks would envision such a thread looking like and functioning. Sort of a politics-themed chat thread; with more in-depth discussions on more specific topics off in their own dedicated threads like we already have? Something more heavily organized to resemble a more formal debate on a series of subjects? While it's the official position that TET is "the NSG chat thread", that doesn't mean we can't look at the idea some.

Isn't that what the rest of NSG outside the megathreads is for?

[Cekoviu]

I'm not too broken up about this, since I barely participated in either thread.

But it does seem like there should be some sort of more political megathread, so as to not undermine the typically laid-back atmosphere of TET. Maybe a combined "politics" megathread? Cliques would be less of an issue of both RWDT and LWDT types were engaging in the same thread. And presumably they would report each other's rule-breaking.

This might be an idea worth discussing further. Obviously the matter of "way too broad a focus" is still a concern, but I would be curious to hear how folks would envision such a thread looking like and functioning. Sort of a politics-themed chat thread; with more in-depth discussions on more specific topics off in their own dedicated threads like we already have? Something more heavily organized to resemble a more formal debate on a series of subjects? While it's the official position that TET is "the NSG chat thread", that doesn't mean we can't look at the idea some.

The thing is, this is exactly what the RWDT and LWDT were intended to be. The only difference is that it's combined into one thread. The same problems you've pointed out with the RWDT are going to continue to arise because what's needed is for moderation to improve their act, not for us to continue tearing down and rebuilding political discussion threads in a futile attempt to get the userbase to kowtow to the will of the mods.

[The Marlborough]

This might be an idea worth discussing further. Obviously the matter of "way too broad a focus" is still a concern, but I would be curious to hear how folks would envision such a thread looking like and functioning. Sort of a politics-themed chat thread; with more in-depth discussions on more specific topics off in their own dedicated threads like we already have? Something more heavily organized to resemble a more formal debate on a series of subjects? While it's the official position that TET is "the NSG chat thread", that doesn't mean we can't look at the idea some.

The obvious alternative would be that we just have lots of little threads. Which is how it used to be, no?

Yes and moderation found it difficult and annoying to be policing so many threads, especially when a lot of them could be jumbled up into larger threads that would be about the same topic. That was also when, iirc, there were more mods around.

[Reploid Productions]

This might be an idea worth discussing further. Obviously the matter of "way too broad a focus" is still a concern, but I would be curious to hear how folks would envision such a thread looking like and functioning. Sort of a politics-themed chat thread; with more in-depth discussions on more specific topics off in their own dedicated threads like we already have? Something more heavily organized to resemble a more formal debate on a series of subjects? While it's the official position that TET is "the NSG chat thread", that doesn't mean we can't look at the idea some.

The obvious alternative would be that we just have lots of little threads. Which is how it used to be, no?

True. I know some folks have hated the whole megathreads concept for years, but some topics do benefit from having them. Others, not as much.

[Washington Resistance Army]

This might be an idea worth discussing further. Obviously the matter of "way too broad a focus" is still a concern, but I would be curious to hear how folks would envision such a thread looking like and functioning. Sort of a politics-themed chat thread; with more in-depth discussions on more specific topics off in their own dedicated threads like we already have? Something more heavily organized to resemble a more formal debate on a series of subjects? While it's the official position that TET is "the NSG chat thread", that doesn't mean we can't look at the idea some.

The thing is, this is exactly what the RWDT and LWDT were intended to be. The only difference is that it's combined into one thread. The same problems you've pointed out with the RWDT are going to continue to arise because what's needed is for moderation to improve their act, not for us to continue tearing down and rebuilding political discussion threads in a futile attempt to get the userbase to kowtow to the will of the mods.

Nail on the head right here^

[Luminesa]

I'm not too broken up about this, since I barely participated in either thread.

But it does seem like there should be some sort of more political megathread, so as to not undermine the typically laid-back atmosphere of TET. Maybe a combined "politics" megathread? Cliques would be less of an issue of both RWDT and LWDT types were engaging in the same thread. And presumably they would report each other's rule-breaking.

This might be an idea worth discussing further. Obviously the matter of "way too broad a focus" is still a concern, but I would be curious to hear how folks would envision such a thread looking like and functioning. Sort of a politics-themed chat thread; with more in-depth discussions on more specific topics off in their own dedicated threads like we already have? Something more heavily organized to resemble a more formal debate on a series of subjects? While it's the official position that TET is "the NSG chat thread", that doesn't mean we can't look at the idea some.

It's possible something like this could work.

[Luminesa]

Honestly, what are we supposed to infer from this?



This is blatantly animus towards a group in the community. Anything like

I think the mods are being patient that they haven't locked that thread already.

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