[Discussion/Announcement] NSG's "Wing" Megathreads

[New haven america]

The unrelated case is currently being brought up backstage for comment. One of my colleagues is presently working up an explanation of the process that led to the closing of the 'wing' threads.

Ok, thank you, so can you answer my question now seeing as how your time is now freed up?

[Tirmon]

I strongly disagree with this decision, and as someone who has been on this website since 2013 (see: Jakrelia was my first nation), this is some of the worst backlash the moderation team has received since I joined. I hope this is taken into consideration and that you truly listen to the feedback being given.

In the meantime - An Authleft Megathread has been set up, are threads like this permitted? Or should I expect to see this one being shut down as well?

[Luminesa]

The unrelated case is currently being brought up backstage for comment. One of my colleagues is presently working up an explanation of the process that led to the closing of the 'wing' threads.

Appreciated!

[South Odreria 2]

The unrelated case is currently being brought up backstage for comment. One of my colleagues is presently working up an explanation of the process that led to the closing of the 'wing' threads.

Progress, apprehensive kudos.

[Luminesa]

The unrelated case is currently being brought up backstage for comment. One of my colleagues is presently working up an explanation of the process that led to the closing of the 'wing' threads.

Progress, apprehensive kudos.

Smol claps, not big ones.

[New haven america]

We actually were starting to work towards better self-moderation. Even TEM said we needed to start acting better and people were trying to take that to heart.

Ah. I was under the impression that perhaps there were far too many reports on rule breaking and that’s why the threads were locked. My mistake.

There were, and a lot of the users who were calling for it were also those who most often got reported because of their own lack of self-moderation.

[Souseiseki]

i mean it's good progress but realistically speaking probably a good idea to anticipate problems and have explanation ready before crossing the rubicon.

bringing this up because i'm 75% sure i remember a similar situation of "big thing happening with moderation doing catch up" happening before.

[Luziyca]

They improve discourse because by having various threads which stick to a particular topic, as opposed to threads which discuss broad topics, it ensures that productive debate on that one topic can be held, without disrupting an ongoing debate on another topic that is going on, just because the participant does not give a shit. This will reduce the chance of conflict between users, which reduces the blood slain by Reppy's sword of DEAT, and all in all makes for a more pleasant experience, particularly as those who are actually here to discuss that specific topic can do so.

You basically never took part in the RWDT.

So what?

Just because I rarely participated in these sorts of threads does not mean I'm not entitled to make my opinion. And given the reputation that these threads have had, I can see why the NS staff are deciding to kibosh those sort of threads.

i mean it's good progress but realistically speaking probably a good idea to anticipate problems and have explanation ready before crossing the rubicon.

bringing this up because i'm 75% sure i remember a similar situation of "big thing happening with moderation doing catch up" happening before.

I remember a few cases of these several years ago, and the NS staff were in the right that time as well.

[Cekoviu]

The unrelated case is currently being brought up backstage for comment. One of my colleagues is presently working up an explanation of the process that led to the closing of the 'wing' threads.

Thank you for making some effort with this, even though it's belated.

[Cekoviu]

You basically never took part in the RWDT.

So what?

Just because I rarely participated in these sorts of threads does not mean I'm not entitled to make my opinion. And given the reputation that these threads have had, I can see why the NS staff are deciding to kibosh those sort of threads.

You can't make judgments like that based on their "reputation." This is how racial profiling happens in policing.

[The Marlborough]

You basically never took part in the RWDT.

So what?

Just because I rarely participated in these sorts of threads does not mean I'm not entitled to make my opinion. And given the reputation that these threads have had, I can see why the NS staff are deciding to kibosh those sort of threads.

You have a number of people across the political spectrum that participated in both or one of those threads that quite readily disagree with you. I agree, the RWDT was a bit rowdy but then again that's because a lot of the main users were pretty close both on and off site. This whole situation started when RWDT's friendly banter started getting slapped down for stupid reasons which soured the relationship with moderation.

Further it was mainly just a handful of the users that were reported and often for petty and stupid reasons (eg Questers being banned for giving Freudian explanations tying fascism and libertarianism together).

[Hakons]

With this vague claim of improving discourse, you actually have to demonstrate how normal threads have better discourse than mega threads. I'm sorry, but after five years in NSG I can't discern a noticeably change in decorum between the two.

They improve discourse because by having various threads which stick to a particular topic, as opposed to threads which discuss broad topics, it ensures that productive debate on that one topic can be held, without disrupting an ongoing debate on another topic that is going on, just because the participant does not give a shit. This will reduce the chance of conflict between users, which reduces the blood slain by Reppy's sword of DEAT, and all in all makes for a more pleasant experience, particularly as those who are actually here to discuss that specific topic can do so.

The various new threads often get sidetracked. This happens in almost every one of them. Further, your argument seems to be against all mega threads, while moderation has singled out the two wing threads. Next, oh my goodness, regular threads don't have more productive debate. Regular threads are about an event, people post their knee-jerk reaction, and then people reply "no, you're wrong." This doesn't reduce user conflict. Once again, you actually have to prove how it will. You can't rely on vague ideas and conjecture.

The veneration of "Mod justice," with its banhammers, swords, ect... has always been tone-death to a community a little tired of getting the sword.

By the way, these replies are a critique of moderation in general, not just your posts here.

[Rostavykhan]

So what?

Just because I rarely participated in these sorts of threads does not mean I'm not entitled to make my opinion. And given the reputation that these threads have had, I can see why the NS staff are deciding to kibosh those sort of threads.

You can't make judgments like that based on their "reputation." This is how racial profiling happens in policing.

They're shooting for a mod position. Don't ruin it! They even got the user profiling down!

[Luziyca]

So what?

Just because I rarely participated in these sorts of threads does not mean I'm not entitled to make my opinion. And given the reputation that these threads have had, I can see why the NS staff are deciding to kibosh those sort of threads.

You can't make judgments like that based on their "reputation." This is how racial profiling happens in policing.

I've read some of the posts on the RWDT, and yeah, I do personally believe the reputation it has is warranted.

So what?

Just because I rarely participated in these sorts of threads does not mean I'm not entitled to make my opinion. And given the reputation that these threads have had, I can see why the NS staff are deciding to kibosh those sort of threads.

You have a number of people across the political spectrum that participated in both or one of those threads that quite readily disagree with you. I agree, the RWDT was a bit rowdy but then again that's because a lot of the main users were pretty close both on and off site. This whole situation started when RWDT's friendly banter started getting slapped down for stupid reasons which soured the relationship with moderation.

Further it was mainly just a handful of the users that were reported and often for petty and stupid reasons (eg Questers being banned for giving Freudian explanations tying fascism and libertarianism together).

The participants in the RWDT could have taken the banter to TET or off-site, rather than post the banter on the thread itself.

[The Marlborough]

You can't make judgments like that based on their "reputation." This is how racial profiling happens in policing.

I've read some of the posts on the RWDT, and yeah, I do personally believe the reputation it has is warranted.

You have a number of people across the political spectrum that participated in both or one of those threads that quite readily disagree with you. I agree, the RWDT was a bit rowdy but then again that's because a lot of the main users were pretty close both on and off site. This whole situation started when RWDT's friendly banter started getting slapped down for stupid reasons which soured the relationship with moderation.

Further it was mainly just a handful of the users that were reported and often for petty and stupid reasons (eg Questers being banned for giving Freudian explanations tying fascism and libertarianism together).

The participants in the RWDT could have taken the banter to TET or off-site, rather than post the banter on the thread itself.

You really want us coming to TET?

[Cekoviu]

I've read some of the posts on the RWDT, and yeah, I do personally believe the reputation it has is warranted.


The participants in the RWDT could have taken the banter to TET or off-site, rather than post the banter on the thread itself.

You really want us coming to TET?

Yeah, I don't think you've thought this through. TET is not prepared for RWDTers.

[Hakons]

Banter happens in practically every thread in NSG, event post or mega thread.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

The participants in the RWDT could have taken the banter to TET or off-site, rather than post the banter on the thread itself.

A lot of our banter was political, historical and cultural in nature. Not exactly appropriate for TET I'd have thought.

[Northwest Kalactin]

Guys, why don’t we chill for a sec.

I would just like to get it out there, I support the mods decision to do this. Literally half of the moderation reports come from these 2 threads, because people go on with flaming and baiting in them.

Sorry guys, just had to say it.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Tbh if RWDT and LWDT are gone the MAGAthread should be removed too. It's little more than a chat thread for liberals/progressives that occasionally posts something Trump did at this point.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

Guys, why don’t we chill for a sec.

I would just like to get it out there, I support the mods decision to do this. Literally half of the moderation reports come from these 2 threads, because people go on with flaming and baiting in them.

Sorry guys, just had to say it.

That's utter nonsense. You literally can look at the moderation section and see for yourself. A large amount of reports come from American political megathreads, which aren't getting touched.

[The Marlborough]

Tbh if RWDT and LWDT are gone the MAGAthread should be removed too tbh. It's little more than a chat thread for liberals/progressives that occasionally posts something Trump did at this point.

This. It also has a history of baiting, flaming, etc.

[Reploid Productions]

Tbh if RWDT and LWDT are gone the MAGAthread should be removed too tbh. It's little more than a chat thread for liberals/progressives that occasionally posts something Trump did at this point.

Feel free to link us some samples and we'll review whether or not the thread meets the megathread criteria.

[Northwest Kalactin]

Guys, why don’t we chill for a sec.

I would just like to get it out there, I support the mods decision to do this. Literally half of the moderation reports come from these 2 threads, because people go on with flaming and baiting in them.

Sorry guys, just had to say it.

That's utter nonsense. You literally can look at the moderation section and see for yourself. A large amount of reports come from American political megathreads, which aren't getting touched.

RWDT and LWDT are technically American politic megathreads...

[Hakons]

Guys, why don’t we chill for a sec.

I would just like to get it out there, I support the mods decision to do this. Literally half of the moderation reports come from these 2 threads, because people go on with flaming and baiting in them.

Sorry guys, just had to say it.

Until actual metrics are produced, claims like these, which are claims shared by moderation, remain conjecture and are not adequate for objective decision making.