[Discussion/Announcement] NSG's "Wing" Megathreads

[Reploid Productions]

After considerable internal review by the moderation team (the official discussion began in mid-May, with off-and-on discussion as far back as last year), both the "Left Wing Discussion Thread" and the "Right Wing Discussion Thread" megathreads will be permanently closed going forward. While this is not a blanket ban on megathreads, it represents a tightening of the guidelines under which megathreads are acceptable and how they must operate.

What qualifies for a megathread?

• A topic which has at its focus a specific, singular subject, such as a current news event (IE: election thread, anti-police protests), a frequent recurring debate (IE: abortion, gun control), or a political figure (IE: the US president.)
• Discussion on that specific, singular subject as the thread's primary focus, not simple socializing motivated by underlying interest in the subject. Conversational drift is okay, but it must remain on that specific, singular primary focus.

In short, both the "wing" threads fail both of these metrics. "Left wing" encompasses an enormous range of political ideologies and beliefs ranging from the mildest flavors of left-of-center social democracy clear out to the most extreme variants of communism. "Right wing" similarly encompasses an enormous range of political ideologies and beliefs ranging from mild right-of-center fiscal conservatism clear out to the most extreme flavors of fascism and nationalism. The "wings" are not topics so much as they are measuring tools, and both threads have demonstrated themselves to be prone to considerable off-topic socializing as a result of this overly-broad subject matter.

In addition, it has bred problematic cliques that have become insulated from rules enforcement due to an unfortunate combination of thread participants refusing to report (and even actively discouraging reporting of) rulebreaking conduct and thread outsiders being disinclined to dig into it to locate and report it. Moderation lacks the time and the manpower to babysit such threads personally, and thread regulars have proven repeatedly that they either can not or will not regulate themselves.

If there are other megathreads that you feel similarly fail the above metrics, we will be happy to review additional megathreads as needed. Please include some samples from the thread that you feel indicate it is falling short of the above metrics.


~Evil Forum Empress Rep Prod the Ninja Admin
~She who wields the Banhammer; master of the mighty moderation no-dachi Kiritateru Teikoku

[United Muscovite Nations]

Congrats on fucking over a huge portion of the user base. Think I'm gonna head off the site for good, since LWDT and RWDT were the only halfway decent things to do on this site. Go ahead and deat me so I don't have a reason to come back.

[South Odreria 2]

Those threads had pretty much the only decent discussion on this website. I hope you’re happy.

[Washington Resistance Army]

This pretty much kills General tbh. All there is apart from the RWDT and LWDT to maintain consistent discussion is the MAGAthread or the 2020 thread, and neither are well known for being a haven of intellectualism or at least places where you can hope to learn something.

[Hanafuridake]

Good luck losing most of your dedicated posters since those were the sole threads people put any effort into on NSG.

[Diarcesia]

It looks like what folks are looking for is a singular "chat" megathread in General. I have no particular opinion on this.

Edit: Forgot the TET is a thing.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Despite their flaws, I think they were beneficial overall. Players did not need to create new threads just do discuss another left-wing or right-wing idea.

[Diarcesia]

Despite their flaws, I think they were beneficial overall. Players did not need to create new threads just do discuss another left-wing or right-wing idea.

Given my awareness of the mods' prior actions, this is the real issue:

In addition, it has bred problematic cliques that have become insulated from rules enforcement due to an unfortunate combination of thread participants refusing to report (and even actively discouraging reporting of) rulebreaking conduct and thread outsiders being disinclined to dig into it to locate and report it. Moderation lacks the time and the manpower to babysit such threads personally, and thread regulars have proven repeatedly that they either can not or will not regulate themselves.

[Reploid Productions]

Please be aware that we are authorized by [violet] to remove bad faith posts from public view outright and relocate them to the evidence locker:

So I have simply instructed moderators to remove posts from discussion threads that are bad faith.

One post has been deemed to be bad faith, and has thusly it and the two quoting it have been removed per [violet]'s directive.

If you have valid complaints of moderator abuse, please file them via the Getting Help page. Moderators cannot edit, delete, or otherwise alter the contents of your GHR, and mod abuse reports are flagged for immediate admin attention. Be sure to include all relevant links to what you are reporting as well as a clear and concise explanation of what the problem is. I must inform you that the administrators have very little patience for frivolous or outright fraudulent reports, and are liable to dismiss incomplete, unspecific, or wildly generalized complaints outright. (IE: "The mods are corrupt!" absent any evidence attached to the report.)


~Evil Forum Empress Rep Prod the Ninja Admin
~She who wields the Banhammer; master of the mighty moderation no-dachi Kiritateru Teikoku

[United Muscovite Nations]

NOOOOO YOU CAN'T POINT OUT OUR HYPOCRISY, THAT'S BAD FAITH!!!!!!!!!!

[Reploid Productions]

NOOOOO YOU CAN'T POINT OUT OUR HYPOCRISY, THAT'S BAD FAITH!!!!!!!!!!

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~Evil Forum Empress Rep Prod the Ninja Admin
~She who wields the Banhammer; master of the mighty moderation no-dachi Kiritateru Teikoku

[Aeritai]

Wow I'm surprised this happened, granted I never posted in the right or left wing threads it's still a shock that this happened.

Hopefully this doesn't cause players to move out of general.

[Luminesa]

Welp, I can't say I didn't see it coming, but it's gonna be interesting to see what happens now. If the issue was LWDT and RWDT being chat threads, good luck when people either go to TET or leave en masse. People are not gonna take all their time bouncing through every Megathread to find all the instances of threadjacks that have happened in all of the Megathreads. As someone who has been a regular in RWDT, and a visitor to LWDT, much of General has made friends in both threads, and this essentially shuts down discussion for a large amount of General. A lot of people are still gonna leave, however, and while many good posters are gonna leave, people who have approved of child-molestation, pedophilia, and zoophilia have basically been allowed to do what they want, with their posts simply being shoved in a locker. We've been round and round on this.

I spend a lot of time in PT2M anyway, so I'm not as effected as some others, but I speak for some others when I say that this should be re-considered with some new standards. I'd be willing to help in perhaps helping set these new standards, for the sake of allowing everyone to have these discussions, which have brought so many people together.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Tbh this is just gonna lead to a shit ton more rulebreaking and cause you so many more headaches because now there's literally nothing left to do on General except rampantly shitpost and troll people you dislike.

[United Muscovite Nations]

NOOOOO YOU CAN'T POINT OUT OUR HYPOCRISY, THAT'S BAD FAITH!!!!!!!!!!

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~Evil Forum Empress Rep Prod the Ninja Admin
~She who wields the Banhammer; master of the mighty moderation no-dachi Kiritateru Teikoku

I don't give af, I already told you to fucking deat me so I can leave. You killed the only halfway decent threads on this site, I don't want to come back lmao.

[Kargintina the Third]

I don’t go in general much but that seems like a bad idea

[Reploid Productions]

I don't give af, I already told you to fucking deat me so I can leave. You killed the only halfway decent threads on this site, I don't want to come back lmao.

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[United Muscovite Nations]

I don't give af, I already told you to fucking deat me so I can leave. You killed the only halfway decent threads on this site, I don't want to come back lmao.

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Quit deleting shit you fucking coward. Everyone knows you covered shit up.

[Reploid Productions]

And since it apparently needs repeating:

Please be aware that we are authorized by [violet] to remove bad faith posts from public view outright and relocate them to the evidence locker:

So I have simply instructed moderators to remove posts from discussion threads that are bad faith.

Posts made in clearly bad faith will be removed per [violet]'s directive.

If you have valid complaints of moderator abuse, please file them via the Getting Help page. Moderators cannot edit, delete, or otherwise alter the contents of your GHR, and mod abuse reports are flagged for immediate admin attention. Be sure to include all relevant links to what you are reporting as well as a clear and concise explanation of what the problem is. I must inform you that the administrators have very little patience for frivolous or outright fraudulent reports, and are liable to dismiss incomplete, unspecific, or wildly generalized complaints outright. (IE: "The mods are corrupt!" absent any evidence attached to the report.)


~Evil Forum Empress Rep Prod the Ninja Admin
~She who wields the Banhammer; master of the mighty moderation no-dachi Kiritateru Teikoku

[United Muscovite Nations]

EVERYTHING I DON'T LIKE IS BAD FAITH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[Reploid Productions]

Quit deleting shit you fucking coward. Everyone knows you covered shit up.

*** United Muscovite Nations, 3-day ban for flaming. ***


~Evil Forum Empress Rep Prod the Ninja Mod
~She who wields the Banhammer; master of the mighty moderation no-dachi Kiritateru Teikoku

[United Muscovite Nations]

Quit deleting shit you fucking coward. Everyone knows you covered shit up.

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~Evil Forum Empress Rep Prod the Ninja Mod
~She who wields the Banhammer; master of the mighty moderation no-dachi Kiritateru Teikoku

Noice

[Aclion]

Whats' funny about this is that while megathreads are a problem these are the only two megathreads that aren't contributing to it, since farn doesn't move anything remotely relevant into them to die.

[Cekoviu]

Quit deleting shit you fucking coward. Everyone knows you covered shit up.

*** United Muscovite Nations, 3-day ban for flaming. ***


~Evil Forum Empress Rep Prod the Ninja Mod
~She who wields the Banhammer; master of the mighty moderation no-dachi Kiritateru Teikoku

Jesus fucking christ this is pathetic

[Washington Resistance Army]

UMN's behavior is probably gonna be the standard for a good while because of this decision. A great many users of NSG now have no purpose to come to the forum except to make your lives hell, and with how comically outdated this forum is you can't really stop them.