[Inquiry and/or Discussion] Political Nicknaming

[Shofercia]

It seems to me that there have been two contradictory rulings. The first one, found here, viewtopic.php?f=16&t=479216 - established that "Queen Hillary" and "God-King Donald Trump" were political nicknames, rather than mere Royal Titles.

In the second report, found here, viewtopic.php?f=16&t=481669 - the name "god-emperor" was used in clear reference to President Donald Trump. However, this was ruled as "not actionable" because it's "an allusion, not nicknaming"

Both rulings were made and approved by multiple mods. Here's my confusion: on the one hand, merely assigning a Royal Title is "political nicknaming" but using using a Royal Title when alluding to a politician, is not "political nicknaming" and that seems like a very thin line, one which I'm hesitant to cross, so let me ask this: would alluding to failed presidential candidate Hillary Clinton as

"Empress Vengeful Queen Bee of the DNC"

be considered a mere allusion, or political nicknaming? You can compare it to the quote about President Donald John Trump that you found non-actionable:

"anyway when your dear god-emperor has a magic fucking sharpie that can rubadub facts and shit by the fucking pussy!"

I have nothing against Duhon, and nothing against new rules, or modifications of old rules; that report was ruled on by two mods, and I am most definitely not appealing it. This is an inquiry/discussion thread to establish the ground rules for the rest of us, where the mods made the distinction as thin as a piece of paper, so we the posters, need this explanation. Furthermore, I'd like for the Democrats and Republicans to be treated equally, at least when it comes to political nicknaming. I think that's an entirely reasonable request to make. This applies to members of other parties, as well as independent and/or NPP voters.

[Audioslavia]

The line is, predictably, a large banner saying 'context' in large grey letters surrounded by people saying 'man they always just point to this banner whenever we want them to write a 4,000 word essay on linguistics'. Here's a short version:

If someone refers to a political figure by a nickname in an attempt to get a rise out of other users, that's against the rules.

So, for example, if someone continually referred to Hilary Clinton as 'failed presidential candidate Hillary Clinton', we might regard that as trolling if we feel it was done to annoy people. If someone very often said 'Hilary Clinton is a failed president candidate' or 'Hilary Clinton is a lying, unreliable failure and a waste of oxygen' we couldn't care less. The former is a nickname and the latter is an opinion. Opinions invite debate. Nicknames derail it.

We wouldn't bash 'your dear god-emperor' in the same way we wouldn't bash 'your stupid prime minister' or 'that complete arsehole', but we might bash 'God Emperor Trump is tweeting again'. The 'Empress Queen Bee' etc would depend on the context. 'She thinks she's Empress Queen Bee of the DNC' would be fine. 'I see Empress Queen Bee of the DNC has been lying again' might not be fine if we think the user is referring to her as that to get a rise out of people.

[Satuga]

'your dear god-emperor' 'God Emperor Trump is tweeting again'.

I'm gonna be completely honest I don't see any distinction between these two quotes, they both represent the same thing. Referring to Trump as "God-emperor" I don't exactly see how the context of these changes the meaning, they can both be used to rile someone up. Just seems rather confusing to me.

[United Republic Empire]

'your dear god-emperor' 'God Emperor Trump is tweeting again'.

I'm gonna be completely honest I don't see any distinction between these two quotes, they both represent the same thing. Referring to Trump as "God-emperor" I don't exactly see how the context of these changes the meaning, they can both be used to rile someone up. Just seems rather confusing to me.

they're saying you must also focus on the context surrounding the word and not just the word by itself. Context defines and gives insight on how the word is being portrayed towards the audience.

[Santheres]

'your dear god-emperor' 'God Emperor Trump is tweeting again'.

I'm gonna be completely honest I don't see any distinction between these two quotes, they both represent the same thing. Referring to Trump as "God-emperor" I don't exactly see how the context of these changes the meaning, they can both be used to rile someone up. Just seems rather confusing to me.

As Audio said, the context matters a lot. If you're not sure whether or not you can get in trouble for something, then just refrain entirely. That's the safest approach.

[Shofercia]

The line is, predictably, a large banner saying 'context' in large grey letters surrounded by people saying 'man they always just point to this banner whenever we want them to write a 4,000 word essay on linguistics'. Here's a short version:

If someone refers to a political figure by a nickname in an attempt to get a rise out of other users, that's against the rules.

So, for example, if someone continually referred to Hilary Clinton as 'failed presidential candidate Hillary Clinton', we might regard that as trolling if we feel it was done to annoy people. If someone very often said 'Hilary Clinton is a failed president candidate' or 'Hilary Clinton is a lying, unreliable failure and a waste of oxygen' we couldn't care less. The former is a nickname and the latter is an opinion. Opinions invite debate. Nicknames derail it.

We wouldn't bash 'your dear god-emperor' in the same way we wouldn't bash 'your stupid prime minister' or 'that complete arsehole', but we might bash 'God Emperor Trump is tweeting again'. The 'Empress Queen Bee' etc would depend on the context. 'She thinks she's Empress Queen Bee of the DNC' would be fine. 'I see Empress Queen Bee of the DNC has been lying again' might not be fine if we think the user is referring to her as that to get a rise out of people.

Thank you for the quick response Audio! Just a clarification: if the intent, as determined by the context, is to get a rise out of people - that's political nicknaming. If not, then it's not. Makes sense to me, but what if it's both? What if, on the one hand, the poster is just extremely frustrated and venting, but also said poster's venting is designed to get a rise out of people? And fair enough, I'll stop with the "failed presidential candidate Clinton" posting, unless I'm specifically referring to her failure of tactics and electoral strategy during the elections, would that be allowed?

I'm gonna be completely honest I don't see any distinction between these two quotes, they both represent the same thing. Referring to Trump as "God-emperor" I don't exactly see how the context of these changes the meaning, they can both be used to rile someone up. Just seems rather confusing to me.

As Audio said, the context matters a lot. If you're not sure whether or not you can get in trouble for something, then just refrain entirely. That's the safest approach.

Are you unofficially warning someone for merely discussing in a discussion thread? If not, can you please not use the red text, as that's misleading; if so, then what is the warning for?

'your dear god-emperor' 'God Emperor Trump is tweeting again'.

I'm gonna be completely honest I don't see any distinction between these two quotes, they both represent the same thing. Referring to Trump as "God-emperor" I don't exactly see how the context of these changes the meaning, they can both be used to rile someone up. Just seems rather confusing to me.

I think that Audio is saying that in one case, it does rile someone up, but in another, it's primarily intended as venting. The question that I've asked, and I think that's where you were going to go, is what if the primary intent, as determined by the context, is both: to vent, and the rile up a fellow poster?

[United Muscovite Nations]

Tbh if the mods want to relax the rule a little, I wouldn't blame them. Some nicknames have become too common to give warnings out all the time.

[Nakena]

Would "Bibi" for Benjamin Netanyahu considered be a nickname?

[WayNeacTia]

Would "Bibi" for Benjamin Netanyahu considered be a nickname?

Why is it necessary? Just use his name and there is very little to worry about.

[The New California Republic]

Would "Bibi" for Benjamin Netanyahu considered be a nickname?

It's not a shortening of his name, so...possibly? For instance, in the UK Politics Thread people frequently refer to Boris Johnson as "BoJo", which is fine because it's just a contraction of his name, but "Bibi" is not. "BenNet" would likely be fine for instance. But as the mods said earlier, context matters etc.

[Frisbeeteria]

Would "Bibi" for Benjamin Netanyahu considered be a nickname?

According to Quora, it's a family nickname:

Benyamin Natanyahu was named after his grandfather Benyamin Zalman Segal, but since there were several grandchildren all named after saba (granddad) Benyamin, the kids were called Bibi…and Benyamin Natanyahu was Bibi Hakatan (little Bibi) because an older cousin was called Bibi Hagadol (big Bibi).

While people may use the informal "Bibi" when describing policies they don't like, the nickname is not inherently negative (unlike "Shrillary" or "Drumpf"). As such, it's not a violation of the political nicknaming rule.

[Outer Sparta]

Is it against the rules to reference a political nickname used in the media such as "Scotty from Marketing" with Scott Morrison?