Q: Putting moderators on ignore

[Aclion]

The issue comes from what happens when we forget to switch out?

We make fun of you for a bit and then move on.

[NERVUN]

The issue comes from what happens when we forget to switch out?

We make fun of you for a bit and then move on.

Kinda defeats the purpose though...

[Aclion]

We make fun of you for a bit and then move on.

Kinda defeats the purpose though...

The purpose is so that when you're being asshats we can ignore you like anyone else.

[USS Monitor]

Switching between puppets really can get tiresome if you have to switch a lot. I don't think the whole mod team should have to deal with another tiresome repetitive task when most of them are not getting into such heated arguments.

[The Free Joy State]

Switching between puppets really can get tiresome if you have to switch a lot. I don't think the whole mod team should have to deal with another tiresome repetitive task when most of them are not getting into such heated arguments.

Even if you don't switch a lot, it's easy to forget which account you're logged into if your mind gets focused onto a task (this has been an issue for me on RMB posting).

This seems like it could be an unnecessary complication. Even if people aren't on ignore, it is possible to just scan past the posts of people that you don't want to read. Most people's avatars are pretty recognisable at scrolling pace.

[USS Monitor]

Switching between puppets really can get tiresome if you have to switch a lot. I don't think the whole mod team should have to deal with another tiresome repetitive task when most of them are not getting into such heated arguments.

Even if you don't switch a lot, it's easy to forget which account you're logged into if your mind gets focused onto a task (this has been an issue for me on RMB posting).

This seems like it could be an unnecessary complication. Even if people aren't on ignore, it is possible to just scan past the posts of people that you don't want to read. Most people's avatars are pretty recognisable at scrolling pace.

I don't believe it's reasonable to put that burden entirely on UMN without offering an ignore feature like there is for ordinary players, or asking Kat to cut back on stuff like this:

Yes. I'm empathetic on that, but it wouldn't be just to kill a child for that reason.

But it would be just to torture a woman by forcing her to have her rapist's child and risk her life and health.

Sounds VERY christian.

What's better, murder or torture?

Neither, and since abortion isn't murder, I aim not to have women tortured.

Did you SERIOUSLY ask that question?

"Would you rather I killed you quickly or spent months cutting pieces off of you?"
That is just sick.

"God, what is WRONG with people trying to make parents take care of their children"

That's what this sounds like to me.

Then you are either not comprehending or being willfully obtuse.

I'm pro-choice and years of listening to the abortion debate have only made me more adamantly pro-choice, but this is obnoxious. You can tell UMN he is wrong as fuck without calling him "willfully obtuse," implying he's not a real Christian, or twisting what he said to make it sound like he was just talking about torture for shits and giggles.

Basically, mods shouldn't be posting stuff like this from their mod account, even if they do post less provocative personal posts.

[SherpDaWerp]

I know this would involve more Admin code (shock! horror!), but might it be a good idea to add some feature wherein mods can make "mod posts"? For one, it would mean everyone can obviously and easily tell the difference between a mod acting as a mod and a mod doing other stuff, and in a scenario like this, the Ignore feature could just explicitly not apply to tagged "mod posts".

[USS Monitor]

I know this would involve more Admin code (shock! horror!), but might it be a good idea to add some feature wherein mods can make "mod posts"? For one, it would mean everyone can obviously and easily tell the difference between a mod acting as a mod and a mod doing other stuff, and in a scenario like this, the Ignore feature could just explicitly not apply to tagged "mod posts".

IIRC there was some discussion of doing that as part of a large overhaul of the forums, but that discussion was some time ago, and it was a long-term idea.

[The Blaatschapen]

I know this would involve more Admin code (shock! horror!), but might it be a good idea to add some feature wherein mods can make "mod posts"? For one, it would mean everyone can obviously and easily tell the difference between a mod acting as a mod and a mod doing other stuff, and in a scenario like this, the Ignore feature could just explicitly not apply to tagged "mod posts".

Back when I was a mod, I always posted a

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[b]The Blaatschapen - NationStates Moderator[/b]

at the end of my posts that weren't in the Nuts and Bolts subforums when acting as a moderator.

However, the ignore feature has no option to filter on that.

But at least it made it easier for players to know when I was telling them off, or if I were just pulling their legs

[Ethel mermania]

We make fun of you for a bit and then move on.

Kinda defeats the purpose though...

Not really, nothing fixes a mistake, so a couple will get through under the moderators mod account, but it will not be all or most of them. So the foeing poster will not feel pounded upon by an "official site operator".

[Nilrahrarfan]

Katganistan repeatedly engages in toxic personal attacks in the Abortion thread in the hopes of driving any pro-life presence from the thread, as well as spamming the thread with sometimes 7 or 8 posts in one batch. Other users who engage in this behavior, we are told to put on ignore, but this is not possible with her. Is there anything I can do with that or do I just have to deal with it?

This is why we need to have a system where mods can be blocked UNLESS they are doing moderator actions

[The New California Republic]

Even if you don't switch a lot, it's easy to forget which account you're logged into if your mind gets focused onto a task (this has been an issue for me on RMB posting).

This seems like it could be an unnecessary complication. Even if people aren't on ignore, it is possible to just scan past the posts of people that you don't want to read. Most people's avatars are pretty recognisable at scrolling pace.

I don't believe it's reasonable to put that burden entirely on UMN without offering an ignore feature like there is for ordinary players, or asking Kat to cut back on stuff like this:

But it would be just to torture a woman by forcing her to have her rapist's child and risk her life and health.

Sounds VERY christian.

Neither, and since abortion isn't murder, I aim not to have women tortured.

Did you SERIOUSLY ask that question?

"Would you rather I killed you quickly or spent months cutting pieces off of you?"
That is just sick.

Then you are either not comprehending or being willfully obtuse.

I'm pro-choice and years of listening to the abortion debate have only made me more adamantly pro-choice, but this is obnoxious. You can tell UMN he is wrong as fuck without calling him "willfully obtuse," implying he's not a real Christian, or twisting what he said to make it sound like he was just talking about torture for shits and giggles.

Basically, mods shouldn't be posting stuff like this from their mod account, even if they do post less provocative personal posts.

To be fair though Monitor, some of UMN's posts haven't been particularly friendly either, with an accusation that the posters in the thread were "neurotic", so...

[WayNeacTia]

Kinda defeats the purpose though...

The purpose is so that when you're being asshats we can ignore you like anyone else.

Or maybe some self control can be utilized and just not read their post?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

The purpose is so that when you're being asshats we can ignore you like anyone else.

Or maybe some self control can be utilized and just not read their post?

The problem is that Kat has a habit of either making incredibly long posts with about 8 different quotes in, or making several posts one after the other. A lot of the time what is being quoted is pages back in the thread. It's burdensome and annoying.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I don't believe it's reasonable to put that burden entirely on UMN without offering an ignore feature like there is for ordinary players, or asking Kat to cut back on stuff like this:





I'm pro-choice and years of listening to the abortion debate have only made me more adamantly pro-choice, but this is obnoxious. You can tell UMN he is wrong as fuck without calling him "willfully obtuse," implying he's not a real Christian, or twisting what he said to make it sound like he was just talking about torture for shits and giggles.

Basically, mods shouldn't be posting stuff like this from their mod account, even if they do post less provocative personal posts.

To be fair though Monitor, some of UMN's posts haven't been particularly friendly either, with an accusation that the posters in the thread were "neurotic", so...

And as the mods always remind people, we can ignore posts that make us angry with the ignore feature. You can't do that with Kat's posts.

Also, I said that because the pro-choice crowd on the thread almost systematically makes posts like that with the intent to drive off any pro-life views from the thread.

[Luziyca]

While I do feel it could be a good idea for such a feature to exist, or at least have a policy where you need to switch to a mod account or whatever, the fact that it is a tiresome repetitive task on the part of the mods, combined with the fact that it would require a ton of coding by the technical staff when there are far pressing issues to deal with on the technical end, means that it'll be difficult to ever put a mod on ignore without also blocking all the posts that they did.

[The New California Republic]

And as the mods always remind people, we can ignore posts that make us angry with the ignore feature. You can't do that with Kat's posts.

Self control. Just don't go in the thread, as you have said on previous occasions. You have already proposed the solution to this problem that you have brought to moderation; why you are ignoring said solution now I cannot quite fathom.

Also, I said that because the pro-choice crowd on the thread almost systematically makes posts like that with the intent to drive off any pro-life views from the thread.

Speculation. Nothing more.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

And as the mods always remind people, we can ignore posts that make us angry with the ignore feature. You can't do that with Kat's posts.

Self control. Just don't go in the thread, as you have said on previous occasions. You have already proposed the solution to this problem that you have brought to moderation; why you are ignoring said solution now I cannot quite fathom.

Also, I said that because the pro-choice crowd on the thread almost systematically makes posts like that with the intent to drive off any pro-life views from the thread.

Speculation. Nothing more.

Kat goes on more than one thread, you know.

[The New California Republic]

And as the mods always remind people, we can ignore posts that make us angry with the ignore feature. You can't do that with Kat's posts.

Self control. Just don't go in the thread, as you have said on previous occasions. You have already proposed the solution to this problem that you have brought to moderation; why you are ignoring said solution now I cannot quite fathom.

Kat goes on more than one thread, you know.

The issue at hand concerns Kat's posts in the abortion thread rather than her posts at large.

[Juristonia]

Kat seems to have a habit of making posts whilst going through a thread, and then going back and condensing them all in to one post.
Never really bothered me at all, and on the list of annoying NS practices, it ranks pretty far down the list, but apparently it grinds the gears of a couple of posters, for some reason.

[Ethel mermania]

Kat goes on more than one thread, you know.

The issue at hand concerns Kat's posts in the abortion thread rather than her posts at large.

For now, but it is a general issue. It could be any moderator at any time.

[Lockdownn]

Or you could, you know, utilize some self restraint and selectively ignore posts that you do not want to respond to or see. It's simply a matter of seeing the username and scrolling right on past it.

You control your viewing and choice to respond, not the other poster.

[USS Monitor]

I don't believe it's reasonable to put that burden entirely on UMN without offering an ignore feature like there is for ordinary players, or asking Kat to cut back on stuff like this:





I'm pro-choice and years of listening to the abortion debate have only made me more adamantly pro-choice, but this is obnoxious. You can tell UMN he is wrong as fuck without calling him "willfully obtuse," implying he's not a real Christian, or twisting what he said to make it sound like he was just talking about torture for shits and giggles.

Basically, mods shouldn't be posting stuff like this from their mod account, even if they do post less provocative personal posts.

To be fair though Monitor, some of UMN's posts haven't been particularly friendly either, with an accusation that the posters in the thread were "neurotic", so...

And anyone that doesn't like talking to UMN can put him on ignore because he's not a mod.

Also, I said that because the pro-choice crowd on the thread almost systematically makes posts like that with the intent to drive off any pro-life views from the thread.

I don't think one side of the debate is consistently more toxic. It's just a contentious topic that can piss people off on both sides.

But certain posters are more shouty than others, and I don't think it's that unreasonable if, for example, you want to be able to talk to Neutraligon in that thread without seeing Kat's posts.

[Ransium]

TIL you can’t ignore mods...

But you should report anything you find to be rule breaking here, nobody is above the site rules. Otherwise you have to grin and bare it I guess. I always looked at the posts when someone was on my foe list, anyways.

[The New California Republic]

To be fair though Monitor, some of UMN's posts haven't been particularly friendly either, with an accusation that the posters in the thread were "neurotic", so...

And anyone that doesn't like talking to UMN can put him on ignore because he's not a mod.

Not really what I meant. I meant that some of UMN's posts have been just as toxic as what he is accusing others of.