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[d] Should we get rid of the megathreads?

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Postby Ghost Land » Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:11 pm

Katganistan wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
...much of the content in many of them, such as the abortion thread, is just the same few arguments thrown around back and forth among largely the same few users, and because that megathread is always option, the same arguments are constantly rehashed and there's no true opportunity for the conversation to die out.




So, basically, the complaint is that topics you're not interested in continue to be discussed. In a contained manner, so there aren't MULTIPLE threads on that same topic you don't want to be discussed.

(Sorry for the mess earlier. It appears I edited, rather than quoted the post. I've restored the original.)

Thank you for fixing my post. :)
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Postby Katganistan » Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:01 pm

Ghost Land wrote:
Katganistan wrote:


So, basically, the complaint is that topics you're not interested in continue to be discussed. In a contained manner, so there aren't MULTIPLE threads on that same topic you don't want to be discussed.

(Sorry for the mess earlier. It appears I edited, rather than quoted the post. I've restored the original.)

Thank you for fixing my post. :)

I did it as soon as I became aware -- someone poked me over discord and pointed out the error. I certainly didn't intend to change your post and I'm sorry it happened.

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Postby Jebslund » Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:15 pm

Twilight Imperium wrote:
Ghost Land wrote:For the record, let me say that I do agree with Forsher's ideas and the vast majority of his reasoning. Topics in NSG these days are too stale for my money too, and newcomers aren't going to be particularly enthralled by a short list of unchanging topics day after day


I mean, we still have Infected Mushroom threads and that guy who wanted to vote on everything with bitcoin or whatever before he ran off.

Just when I had finally repressed the memories of Mr. People Only REEEEEEEEEALLY Mean It When They Spend Money On It. Never did get to see his reaction to his idol disagreeing with him...
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:33 pm

Katganistan wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
...much of the content in many of them, such as the abortion thread, is just the same few arguments thrown around back and forth among largely the same few users, and because that megathread is always option, the same arguments are constantly rehashed and there's no true opportunity for the conversation to die out.




So, basically, the complaint is that topics you're not interested in continue to be discussed. In a contained manner, so there aren't MULTIPLE threads on that same topic you don't want to be discussed.

(Sorry for the mess earlier. It appears I edited, rather than quoted the post. I've restored the original.)


I don't recall writing that at all.
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Postby The Sherpa Empire » Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:51 am

Jebslund wrote:
Twilight Imperium wrote:
I mean, we still have Infected Mushroom threads and that guy who wanted to vote on everything with bitcoin or whatever before he ran off.

Just when I had finally repressed the memories of Mr. People Only REEEEEEEEEALLY Mean It When They Spend Money On It. Never did get to see his reaction to his idol disagreeing with him...


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Postby Miami Shores » Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:08 am

I am very surprised the Moderators allowed this thread on the Moderators Forum, I believe all my fellow nations threads and polls have their own unique value even on related threads.

I wish we could go back to the good old days on NS when we could create Public Polls on our threads, perhaps if we pray to the Mod Gods and our Almighty Goddess Violet, at times it is needed and would reduce potential vote fraud on the Polls. Many fellow nations vote and don't post, so I would like to know which fellow nations posted and voted the way they did on any issues.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:16 am

For what it's worth, I have noticed the growth in megathreads over the last 5-10 years. It's hard to pin down precisely when the phenomenon became really noticeable, but I think the transmutation of the 2010 UK election thread into an ongoing British politics thread was an early marker.

I do think the megathreads serve a useful purpose. I doubt anyone wants multiple threads starting up to discuss every individual tweet of the president of the United States. That would serve no useful purpose. The megathreads are going to stay.

However, I'm open to the possibility that we're sometimes a little too quick to merge or shut down threads that might be related to an NSG megathread topic, but which can usefully still be discussed in a separate thread. It's likely that this will always be a subjective judgement, but perspectives from people engaging in debate can be useful. I welcome further constructive discussion and suggestions on that point - noting that I'm speaking for myself here, and not for the Moderation team.

Don't read anything into that last sentence, by the way; it doesn't subtly indicate some form of disagreement, it only acknowledges that I haven't discussed the point with other members of the team.

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Postby Miami Shores » Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:32 am

The Archregimancy wrote:For what it's worth, I have noticed the growth in megathreads over the last 5-10 years. It's hard to pin down precisely when the phenomenon became really noticeable, but I think the transmutation of the 2010 UK election thread into an ongoing British politics thread was an early marker.

I do think the megathreads serve a useful purpose. I doubt anyone wants multiple threads starting up to discuss every individual tweet of the president of the United States. That would serve no useful purpose. The megathreads are going to stay.

However, I'm open to the possibility that we're sometimes a little too quick to merge or shut down threads that might be related to an NSG megathread topic, but which can usefully still be discussed in a separate thread. It's likely that this will always be a subjective judgement, but perspectives from people engaging in debate can be useful. I welcome further constructive discussion and suggestions on that point - noting that I'm speaking for myself here, and not for the Moderation team.

Don't read anything into that last sentence, by the way; it doesn't subtly indicate some form of disagreement, it only acknowledges that I haven't discussed the point with other members of the team.

Can we ask the Moderators permission to start a certain thread on any related Mega Thread issues if we present our OP Page on a dispatch?
lol. I will never take a fellow nation before the Mod Gods and our Almighty Goddess Violet for any reasons, even if it is a negative statement against me. I am a Proud Hispanic Latino Republican Pro Trump, America, illegal immigration laws, Israel and the Jewish People.

Anti open borders illegal immigration, Democrat Leftists, anti commie socialists as it has been practiced all over the world. But I respect their democratic right to their views and their right to Post them.

I am an RP addict with real world nations, regional world named nations, with real world leaders and statistics, I don't use NS stats, I hate NS stats.

I love NS, RPs, math, accounting, bookkeeping, statistics, percentages %, history, geography, biographies, im a map a holic, pic a holic and copy holic.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:35 am

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Jebslund wrote:Just when I had finally repressed the memories of Mr. People Only REEEEEEEEEALLY Mean It When They Spend Money On It. Never did get to see his reaction to his idol disagreeing with him...


You never know when he might come back. You know what they say about speaking of the Devil...

Kind of like Ebola, you get the outbreak quarantined, and she always pops right back up.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:37 am

The Archregimancy wrote:For what it's worth, I have noticed the growth in megathreads over the last 5-10 years. It's hard to pin down precisely when the phenomenon became really noticeable, but I think the transmutation of the 2010 UK election thread into an ongoing British politics thread was an early marker.

I do think the megathreads serve a useful purpose. I doubt anyone wants multiple threads starting up to discuss every individual tweet of the president of the United States. That would serve no useful purpose. The megathreads are going to stay.

However, I'm open to the possibility that we're sometimes a little too quick to merge or shut down threads that might be related to an NSG megathread topic, but which can usefully still be discussed in a separate thread. It's likely that this will always be a subjective judgement, but perspectives from people engaging in debate can be useful. I welcome further constructive discussion and suggestions on that point - noting that I'm speaking for myself here, and not for the Moderation team.

Don't read anything into that last sentence, by the way; it doesn't subtly indicate some form of disagreement, it only acknowledges that I haven't discussed the point with other members of the team.


Darn it



Overall I am fine with the outline of this approach.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:49 am

Miami Shores wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:For what it's worth, I have noticed the growth in megathreads over the last 5-10 years. It's hard to pin down precisely when the phenomenon became really noticeable, but I think the transmutation of the 2010 UK election thread into an ongoing British politics thread was an early marker.

I do think the megathreads serve a useful purpose. I doubt anyone wants multiple threads starting up to discuss every individual tweet of the president of the United States. That would serve no useful purpose. The megathreads are going to stay.

However, I'm open to the possibility that we're sometimes a little too quick to merge or shut down threads that might be related to an NSG megathread topic, but which can usefully still be discussed in a separate thread. It's likely that this will always be a subjective judgement, but perspectives from people engaging in debate can be useful. I welcome further constructive discussion and suggestions on that point - noting that I'm speaking for myself here, and not for the Moderation team.

Don't read anything into that last sentence, by the way; it doesn't subtly indicate some form of disagreement, it only acknowledges that I haven't discussed the point with other members of the team.

Can we ask the Moderators permission to start a certain thread on any related Mega Thread issues if we present our OP Page on a dispatch?


Why do you want the OP to be in a dispatch?
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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:03 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Miami Shores wrote:Can we ask the Moderators permission to start a certain thread on any related Mega Thread issues if we present our OP Page on a dispatch?


Why do you want the OP to be in a dispatch?

I'm guessing that it would be in a dispatch so that moderators could review the content of the OP before it's posted on the forums.
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Postby Juristonia » Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:35 pm

That sounds like a good way to grind forum traffic to a halt.
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Postby Miami Shores » Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:59 pm

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
Why do you want the OP to be in a dispatch?

I'm guessing that it would be in a dispatch so that moderators could review the content of the OP before it's posted on the forums.

Correct :clap: :clap: :clap:

While I don't think the Moderators would allow my request, it would be on a dispatch so that the moderators could review the content of the OP before it's posted on the forums, and it would not be posted directly on their Moderator forum page and thread, if they say no I can easily delete the dispatch and I would not be technically breaking any forum rules by posting an OP anywhere on the forums, which they don't allow for any reasons. :clap: :clap: :clap:
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lol. I will never take a fellow nation before the Mod Gods and our Almighty Goddess Violet for any reasons, even if it is a negative statement against me. I am a Proud Hispanic Latino Republican Pro Trump, America, illegal immigration laws, Israel and the Jewish People.

Anti open borders illegal immigration, Democrat Leftists, anti commie socialists as it has been practiced all over the world. But I respect their democratic right to their views and their right to Post them.

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I love NS, RPs, math, accounting, bookkeeping, statistics, percentages %, history, geography, biographies, im a map a holic, pic a holic and copy holic.

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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:10 pm

Miami Shores wrote:
Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:I'm guessing that it would be in a dispatch so that moderators could review the content of the OP before it's posted on the forums.

Correct :clap: :clap: :clap:

While I don't think the Moderators would allow my request, it would be on a dispatch so that the moderators could review the content of the OP before it's posted on the forums, and it would not be posted directly on their Moderator forum page and thread, if they say no I can easily delete the dispatch and I would not be technically breaking any forum rules by posting an OP anywhere on the forums, which they don't allow for any reasons. :clap: :clap: :clap:

Just make a thread in Moderation and show us what you mean. All this tap-dancing is silly.
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Postby Miami Shores » Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:24 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Miami Shores wrote:Correct :clap: :clap: :clap:

While I don't think the Moderators would allow my request, it would be on a dispatch so that the moderators could review the content of the OP before it's posted on the forums, and it would not be posted directly on their Moderator forum page and thread, if they say no I can easily delete the dispatch and I would not be technically breaking any forum rules by posting an OP anywhere on the forums, which they don't allow for any reasons. :clap: :clap: :clap:

Just make a thread in Moderation and show us what you mean. All this tap-dancing is silly.

Ok Farnhamia, I was just trying to give him credit for a good post.

Thank You.

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lol. I will never take a fellow nation before the Mod Gods and our Almighty Goddess Violet for any reasons, even if it is a negative statement against me. I am a Proud Hispanic Latino Republican Pro Trump, America, illegal immigration laws, Israel and the Jewish People.

Anti open borders illegal immigration, Democrat Leftists, anti commie socialists as it has been practiced all over the world. But I respect their democratic right to their views and their right to Post them.

I am an RP addict with real world nations, regional world named nations, with real world leaders and statistics, I don't use NS stats, I hate NS stats.

I love NS, RPs, math, accounting, bookkeeping, statistics, percentages %, history, geography, biographies, im a map a holic, pic a holic and copy holic.

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