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[R] Baiting/Trolling in Trans Thread

Postby Grenartia » Tue May 21, 2019 1:55 pm

Drongonia wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:I'm not surprised that you've been ignored and dismissed on that point tbh. It's easier to ignore hard questions and act as if they were never asked in the first place.


RP, learn to divide posts so I know what the hell you're actually responding to.

Though with what I can discern, that goes back to the point I established at the end - if they want me to excise the word from my vocabulary, even if they aren't remotely present, they should be cut off like a dead weight. Such controlling toxicity deserves no place in my presence. Sure, I likely will suspend usage in their presence (accompanied by a reduction in discussion with them in general, of course, since that itself is pretty toxic too), but not universally.


This entirely ^^^^ Anyway I have stuff to do. Gotta go to work since it's about 7:30 over here. Have a good day all you NSers, traps or otherwise. ;)


Doesn't seem very kosher to call people a slur they clearly don't want to be called.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue May 21, 2019 2:19 pm

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Drongonia wrote:
This entirely ^^^^ Anyway I have stuff to do. Gotta go to work since it's about 7:30 over here. Have a good day all you NSers, traps or otherwise. ;)


Doesn't seem very kosher to call people a slur they clearly don't want to be called.

What slur? It's okay if you mention the bad word when reporting its use.
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Postby Grenartia » Tue May 21, 2019 2:21 pm

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Doesn't seem very kosher to call people a slur they clearly don't want to be called.

What slur? It's okay if you mention the bad word when reporting its use.


Sorry, was in a rush to submit the report (sneaking on at work). The slur is "trap", there was a huge, multipage discussion about it they were involved in. Clearly not an innocent mistake.
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Postby Jebslund » Tue May 21, 2019 2:23 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
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Doesn't seem very kosher to call people a slur they clearly don't want to be called.

What slur? It's okay if you mention the bad word when reporting its use.

"Trap" is considered a slur when used in reference to a transgendered individual, Farn. It's basically the same as calling someone a fake man or a fake woman in that context, and carries an insinuation of malice (as if the person is attempting to trick potential partners).
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Postby Necroghastia » Tue May 21, 2019 5:46 pm

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Then the mods would've banned me if that was my nation, considering that nation was also trolling Gay.

Weird how that didn't happen, right?

Mods aren't amazing at figuring out who's who. VPNs exist, and if you're on a different computer - or perhaps just a different browser - they may be none the wiser. Now, of course, it might not have been you - perhaps someone wishing to reinforce your argument?

The timing is, without any doubt, awfully convenient. A nation at most an hour old manages to find you, send an inflammatory message, then kamikazes into a region whose name is literally "Gay"? Yeah, that's textbook bullshit, chief.


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Y'know what, then? Report me. I fucking dare you, since you wanna make this utterly bullshit accusation that I'm behind that nation. Go right the fuck ahead and do it right the fuck now, because I'm honestly so fucking sick and Goddamn tired of this bullshit.

The only person impacted is yourself, so I personally don't feel the need to report you. All you've done is embarrass yourself with an incredibly obvious fabrication. And I wouldn't want to put a stop to that. Someone else can report you if they wish, though, I won't stop them.

Seriously, how dumb do you think we are? I wasn't born yesterday.



I feel like trollnaming is the least offense one could say this user is committing.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Tue May 21, 2019 6:22 pm

Accusing another poster of faking hateful comments to themselves without evidence seems like it falls under trolling.
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Torrocca wrote:
Then the mods would've banned me if that was my nation, considering that nation was also trolling Gay.

Weird how that didn't happen, right?

Mods aren't amazing at figuring out who's who. VPNs exist, and if you're on a different computer - or perhaps just a different browser - they may be none the wiser. Now, of course, it might not have been you - perhaps someone wishing to reinforce your argument?

The timing is, without any doubt, awfully convenient. A nation at most an hour old manages to find you, send an inflammatory message, then kamikazes into a region whose name is literally "Gay"? Yeah, that's textbook bullshit, chief.


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Y'know what, then? Report me. I fucking dare you, since you wanna make this utterly bullshit accusation that I'm behind that nation. Go right the fuck ahead and do it right the fuck now, because I'm honestly so fucking sick and Goddamn tired of this bullshit.

The only person impacted is yourself, so I personally don't feel the need to report you. All you've done is embarrass yourself with an incredibly obvious fabrication. And I wouldn't want to put a stop to that. Someone else can report you if they wish, though, I won't stop them.

Seriously, how dumb do you think we are? I wasn't born yesterday.
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Postby NERVUN » Tue May 21, 2019 6:23 pm

Taking a look, stand by

Edit: viewtopic.php?p=35723354#p35723354 30 minute break for the thread to let tempers cool.
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 21, 2019 7:04 pm

Nervun or another mod, would you mind unlocking the thread? It's been over 30 min.
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Postby Torrocca » Tue May 21, 2019 7:06 pm

Yeah, I'm sorry but I'd very much like a second opinion on this, please, regarding the false accusations of me using a puppet account to feign transphobia toward myself. I don't see how that doesn't cross any sort of line regarding trolling or flamebaiting, particularly when the user in question made it expressly clear that they had absolutely no intention whatsoever of reporting what obviously would be a case of rulebreaking behavior (had that nation that was spreading clear-cut flaming and trollish posts actually been my puppet account) despite making four posts about it directly toward me, and I especially don't see how my negative reaction to these false accusations is remotely equivalent to those accusations from a moderation perspective.

Thanks in advance.
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Postby NERVUN » Tue May 21, 2019 7:15 pm

Cekoviu wrote:Nervun or another mod, would you mind unlocking the thread? It's been over 30 min.

I was one minute late. :p
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Postby NERVUN » Tue May 21, 2019 7:18 pm

Torrocca wrote:Yeah, I'm sorry but I'd very much like a second opinion on this, please, regarding the false accusations of me using a puppet account to feign transphobia toward myself. I don't see how that doesn't cross any sort of line regarding trolling or flamebaiting, particularly when the user in question made it expressly clear that they had absolutely no intention whatsoever of reporting what obviously would be a case of rulebreaking behavior (had that nation that was spreading clear-cut flaming and trollish posts actually been my puppet account) despite making four posts about it directly toward me, and I especially don't see how my negative reaction to these false accusations is remotely equivalent to those accusations from a moderation perspective.

Thanks in advance.

Second opinion flare sent.

I would note that YOU were not warned, I didn't even issue an unofficial, but noted that your posts were growing heated and needed to be cooled before you did do something that would be worthy of a warn.
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Postby Torrocca » Tue May 21, 2019 7:18 pm

NERVUN wrote:
Torrocca wrote:Yeah, I'm sorry but I'd very much like a second opinion on this, please, regarding the false accusations of me using a puppet account to feign transphobia toward myself. I don't see how that doesn't cross any sort of line regarding trolling or flamebaiting, particularly when the user in question made it expressly clear that they had absolutely no intention whatsoever of reporting what obviously would be a case of rulebreaking behavior (had that nation that was spreading clear-cut flaming and trollish posts actually been my puppet account) despite making four posts about it directly toward me, and I especially don't see how my negative reaction to these false accusations is remotely equivalent to those accusations from a moderation perspective.

Thanks in advance.

Second opinion flare sent.

I would note that YOU were not warned, I didn't even issue an unofficial, but noted that your posts were growing heated and needed to be cooled before you did do something that would be worthy of a warn.


Thank you, and I understand completely that no warning was issued to me, but thanks all the same. :3
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Postby Grenartia » Tue May 21, 2019 7:25 pm

I'd also like to request a second opinion on the original report. If a poster went into the Jewish Discussion Thread, for instance, and started a multipage shitstorm about whether or not "kike" is an antisemitic slur, then bowed out of the thread with a clearly passive-aggressive "Adios, kikes", I'm sure that any reasonable person would agree that's trolling and baiting. This case is no different.
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Postby NERVUN » Tue May 21, 2019 7:26 pm

Grenartia wrote:I'd also like to request a second opinion on the original report. If a poster went into the Jewish Discussion Thread, for instance, and started a multipage shitstorm about whether or not "kike" is an antisemitic slur, then bowed out of the thread with a clearly passive-aggressive "Adios, kikes", I'm sure that any reasonable person would agree that's trolling and baiting. This case is no different.

You cannot request a second opinion when the first opinion has yet to be issued. I didn't rule on that.
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Postby Grenartia » Tue May 21, 2019 7:32 pm

NERVUN wrote:
Grenartia wrote:I'd also like to request a second opinion on the original report. If a poster went into the Jewish Discussion Thread, for instance, and started a multipage shitstorm about whether or not "kike" is an antisemitic slur, then bowed out of the thread with a clearly passive-aggressive "Adios, kikes", I'm sure that any reasonable person would agree that's trolling and baiting. This case is no different.

You cannot request a second opinion when the first opinion has yet to be issued. I didn't rule on that.


Apologies, it wasn't clear that you hadn't ruled on it.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue May 21, 2019 7:39 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Drongonia wrote:
This entirely ^^^^ Anyway I have stuff to do. Gotta go to work since it's about 7:30 over here. Have a good day all you NSers, traps or otherwise. ;)


Doesn't seem very kosher to call people a slur they clearly don't want to be called.

viewtopic.php?p=35723583#p35723583

You have to bear with some of us, we're not up on what is and is not a pejorative. All you would have had to do was reply to my reply to your report by pointing out what you thought was a slur, which you could have done in the original report.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue May 21, 2019 7:43 pm

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NERVUN wrote:Second opinion flare sent.

I would note that YOU were not warned, I didn't even issue an unofficial, but noted that your posts were growing heated and needed to be cooled before you did do something that would be worthy of a warn.


Thank you, and I understand completely that no warning was issued to me, but thanks all the same. :3

All the NERV was saying, I believe, is that the back-and-forth between you and Proctopeo was getting more than a little heated. The rule I use is, if I feel steam coming out of my ears, I don't go for the Submit button. Remember, Mods are like parents, we're mostly interested in peace and quiet.
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Postby Torrocca » Tue May 21, 2019 7:50 pm

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Thank you, and I understand completely that no warning was issued to me, but thanks all the same. :3

All the NERV was saying, I believe, is that the back-and-forth between you and Proctopeo was getting more than a little heated. The rule I use is, if I feel steam coming out of my ears, I don't go for the Submit button. Remember, Mods are like parents, we're mostly interested in peace and quiet.


I understand, but the fact that it was heated wasn't the cause for my request for a second opinion; Proctopeo's posts, to me, seem like they were meant to troll or flamebait as they spent four posts accusing me of egregious rule-breaking behavior and feigning another, deleted NSer's trollish, transphobic telegram sent to me, but didn't bother acting on it by simply submitting a report, which is the whole reason I asked for a second opinion.
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Postby Grenartia » Wed May 22, 2019 9:35 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Doesn't seem very kosher to call people a slur they clearly don't want to be called.

viewtopic.php?p=35723583#p35723583

You have to bear with some of us, we're not up on what is and is not a pejorative. All you would have had to do was reply to my reply to your report by pointing out what you thought was a slur, which you could have done in the original report.


Thanks, Farn. And, for the record, I did reply to your reply to my report.
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