North German Realm wrote:Kowani wrote:Nobody hates ISIS because the represent a “Strong Islam”, they hate them because they kill people.
I do hate it because it exactly represents Islam as Muhammad preached it. Of course, given the majority of the individuals on this thread either lack any historical knowledge about the shit Muhammad did in Arabia or his immediate followers (The Rashidun, Ali and Hussain in particular) did to Persia, Byzans, and Sham, they can easily say "They're only misguided" or "they're a wahhabi conspiracy to destroy Islam" or some other shit.
And also because they kill people.
BTW, is it just me or is "The Husseini State" a puppet of Khataiy? Their style of speech seems similar, though it might just be how all Arabs type.
Both of the bolded parts seems to be "all x are y". Actionable?
North German Realm wrote:Not really. Da'esh is pretty much acting like Muhammad and the first four Caliphs did. Pretty much all Muslims did until Persians started civilizing them in early Abbasid Period.The Husseini State wrote:You are very incorrect Muhammad (P) would do none of the atrocities committed by his "followers" like Abu Bakr and Uthman you are right though that they are no different from Da'esh everything Da'esh does is from Sahih Bukhari. I am not sure why you mention Ali (P) or Hussein (P) as 'in particular' they fought against the corruption of the false Khilafah and died in the process as martyrs.
Ali in particular literally didn't touch the "Khilafah" with a 33 feet long pole until it fell into a bloody civil war and he was raised to the throne on a shield. Before that, he fought under the banned of the Second Caliph in Iran, and so did his son. The latter got his own sex slave out of the deal, and put together, they murdered a number between hundreds and thousands in the campaigns.
Your argument of "died in process as martyrs" is also utter bulshit. Ali died as the Caliph, due to his gross incompetence. An Incompetence so hard, in fact, that he knowingly and of sane mind gave up the Caliphate to the equivalent of the Wily Fox (Amr ibn al Aas), which resulted in his most faithful supporters feeling "maybe picking the military leader who's most clever idea was "I'll fucking break the gates with my bare hands" as the head of state isn't the brightest idea" and rebelled against him.
Hussain, later, rose in rebellion against his rightful Caliph and the Amir-al-Mumineen, brought up his entire family in a plan of making his enemy pity him and let him leave, and was given a far better fate than he ever gave to "rebels" during his reign as a military commander. Neither of these two is an idol. Of course, given you're a Twelver, it's not surprising you'd support the, respectively, most incompetent and most powerhungry characters in early Islamic History.
Bolded seems to be "all x are y" as well (albeit historical). Actionable?