*report* intellectual property enforcement needed in NASJAR

[The Transmondian Commonwealth]

I signed up for an RP here:

Course Name: The White Mountains

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Victoria Morris
Requested number: 18

Carl Labelle
Requested number: 39

Withdrew here:

You do NOT under any circumstance have permission to scorinate races with my characters in them, to hold races in my nation, or to make any reference to people visiting my nation by means that do not involve traveling through a portal. My pilots and my course need to be removed.

Reiterated the need to get my stuff out of the RP thread here:

You need to update the RP thread and get my stuff out of it.

Jebslund has replied to me multiple times, but as of the time of this report, he has not removed my pilots or course from the RP thread. When I told him he needed to do this, he told me not to tell him what to do. It has been several hours since that conversation. The OP account of the RP thread is his puppet.

The sign-up deadline has not passed, so there is no way that it is no longer possible to change the list of pilots.

EDIT: Sorry, forgot to include the link to the RP thread. That is here: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=457760

[Jebslund]

I told you I will update the OPs either when The Black Party gives me a definite answer or when the deadline for signups passes, and I told you why. Your lack of patience is not my emergency. I'd also like to point out that the deadline is not the last opportunity for changes. It is merely the last point at which *new* pilots and courses can be added.

As to updating the OP, I need to get into a different account to do so, and am waiting to see if The Black Party decides to sign up. Since I don't want to have to log in multiple times, once I get an answer on that or the deadline hits, I will update the OP. Do not tell me what I do and don't need to do. Wait for it to be done.

[Emphasis added]

I also told you that continuing the argument would result in your ban from the thread effective my post. I consider this an attempt to continue the argument. Consider yourself banned from all current and future threads I OP. I will not deal with someone who insists on having the last word and lacks the patience to wait until the timeline I gave elapses before running to the mods.

I would also like to counter-report for Mods as Weapons and/or Bad Faith reporting. I told The Transmondian Commonwealth when I would update the OP to remove their pilots and track. My "don't tell me what to do" was in response to their impatience, not a refusal to remove the information, as noted in my post. If a mod wants to save me the trouble, be my guest, but I told The Transmondian Commonwealth when I would be removing the content. It's not my problem if The Transmondian Commonwealth lacks the patience to wait. RP thread OP and RP thread WIP course list/order if whoever handles this decides to mod edit.

[The Transmondian Commonwealth]

I didn't post in your thread after the ban, nor did I post anything in this report that discusses any of your other behavior besides the fact that you have not taken my stuff down even though you clearly have seen the request. (As of right now, it still has not been removed.)

Given how much time you've spent arguing with me about this, I don't think the problem is that you haven't had time to remove the text. The problem is that you haven't had enough respect for other players. Your lack of time is a reason for people to be patient. Your lack of respect is not.

[Jebslund]

I didn't post in your thread after the ban, nor did I post anything in this report that discusses any of your other behavior besides the fact that you have not taken my stuff down even though you clearly have seen the request. (As of right now, it still has not been removed.)

Given how much time you've spent arguing with me about this, I don't think the problem is that you haven't had time to remove the text. The problem is that you haven't had enough respect for other players. Your lack of time is a reason for people to be patient. Your lack of respect is not.

You have chosen to continue stirring the pot instead of walking away. Your stuff will be removed in the timetable I have given you, unless a mod decides to do it for me. Short of that, I am disinclined to go through the process of switching over, editing four different posts, and then having to do it again should the player I'm waiting on a decision from decide to join in just because you cannot understand that, when I say, "The content will be removed next time I edit the OP", I do not mean, "Let me do that right now". The problem isn't a lack of time. It is not a lack of respect. It is that you are pulling this stunt late enough in the game that doing it right now for someone who is preaching respect while throwing a fit over me not planning my entire sporting event around your desire to have your nation be a special snowflake and not suspending the general NS Sports position of, "RP it and we'll go with it, but, otherwise, the assumption is that everyone can get to everyone else because there is no good reason to go into that level of detail unless it's important to the event, and logistics can be handwaved with no substantial impact." so that you can play the valiant hero providing the gateway to your nation for all the other poor nations that simply can't get to it is a pain in the ass I'm not willing to go through if I can just get your content removed and any from The Black Party added in one fell swoop. You have grown from being the person whose course I was most looking forward to to a thorn in my side the size or Russia, and have officially worn through my patience.

You have been told when your content will be removed. FOUR TIMES NOW. Shut up and wait. I will consider any further response from you to be harassment.

EDIT 01/15/19 12:12:20: As I was already planning to do if the reminder message needed posting before I got around to the edits, I have instructed the competing players not to RP your pilots or course as being part of the event.

[Reploid Productions]

Golden rule of NS roleplaying:
You don't have to play with anyone you don't want to.

It has been made clear that Transmodian is no longer interested in participating; whether one party is 'pitching a fit' or the other is 'trampling player autonomy' has no bearing on that core fact. Jebslund, that means you need to remove them from the list in a timely fashion, preferably as soon as possible. It takes seconds to switch from one nation to another. I understand not wanting to deal with multiple edits and puppet switches, but in the time you've spent arguing about this, you could have logged in to the puppet, removed Transmodian's stuff from the relevant posts, and logged back in to your main several times over. Transmodian's request is not unreasonable and their impatience is understandable, and I see no reason to smack them for mods-as-weapons.

That being said, Transmodian, Jebslund has said that he will remove it, basically the next time he updates the relevant material. I'm not seeing anything that a moderator really needs to step in for here. You said that you want it removed, he said that he will remove it within what sounds to be a very reasonable timeframe. He is not actively doing anything with your material, so he's not infringing anything, merely mentioning your stuff. Roleplay on Nationstates requires truckloads of patience, being asked to wait until he has a response from someone else so that he only has to update the relevant posts once is not unreasonable, especially in the heavily statistics-driven stuff in NS Sports where recordkeeping and exact information is extremely important.

Long story short, you both need to chill out. There is nothing mod-actionable here.

[Jebslund]

Golden rule of NS roleplaying:
You don't have to play with anyone you don't want to.

It has been made clear that Transmodian is no longer interested in participating; whether one party is 'pitching a fit' or the other is 'trampling player autonomy' has no bearing on that core fact. Jebslund, that means you need to remove them from the list in a timely fashion, preferably as soon as possible. It takes seconds to switch from one nation to another. I understand not wanting to deal with multiple edits and puppet switches, but in the time you've spent arguing about this, you could have logged in to the puppet, removed Transmodian's stuff from the relevant posts, and logged back in to your main several times over. Transmodian's request is not unreasonable and their impatience is understandable, and I see no reason to smack them for mods-as-weapons.

That being said, Transmodian, Jebslund has said that he will remove it, basically the next time he updates the relevant material. I'm not seeing anything that a moderator really needs to step in for here. You said that you want it removed, he said that he will remove it within what sounds to be a very reasonable timeframe. He is not actively doing anything with your material, so he's not infringing anything, merely mentioning your stuff. Roleplay on Nationstates requires truckloads of patience, being asked to wait until he has a response from someone else so that he only has to update the relevant posts once is not unreasonable, especially in the heavily statistics-driven stuff in NS Sports where recordkeeping and exact information is extremely important.

Long story short, you both need to chill out. There is nothing mod-actionable here.

Not appealing or asking for a second opinion.

With respect, Reppy, I have never, at any point, refused the request, or said that I will not respect the decision to bow out. My first reply was to say that it was unfortunate, but their decision, and explained my reasoning. Their impatience because I didn't do it right that second. I apologise for my refusal to reward that mindset not helping the situation, but I'm not going to be lectured and harangued and then told I need to cave when I've already said several times that I will do it.

[Jebslund]

GHR filed, posting here for transparency/incident bookkeeping:

https://www.nationstates.net/page=tg/tgid=23151702

I have informed the user The Confederacy of The Transmondian Commonwealth that any further response regarding the argument that culminated in the posting of a report in Moderation (See viewtopic.php?f=16&t=457878) would be regarded as harassment. I have since received a telegram from the same user continuing the discussion rather than dropping it as I have now asked them to do four separate times. At this point, I am filing a report for harassment.

Contents of said TG:

You know, I honestly don't care much about your warning record. You don't stir enough shit to get kicked off NS anyway, so there is no need to attach much importance to every ruling.

I just want you to catch a clue about the way you treat other players. If you are going to be strict and demanding with other players, then you should also hold yourself to a high standard as a host, and you are not doing that. Several people on Discord have mentioned they chose not to get involved in NASJAR, even though the concept is interesting, because of your overly strict hosting style. NASJAR could be bigger and better than it is if you would take Reppy's advice and chill out.