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[Q] Pg-13 example

PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 7:14 am
by The Reichskommissariat of Ukraine
Hi mods.

If I recall there used to be a post written by a mentor in International incidents in a non pg-13 thread and gave examples for what is okay and what is not okay. I remember the thread was a terror thing.

I wish to use it as an reference point and to bookmark it

Thanks for helping.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 7:18 am
by The New California Republic
The Reichskommissariat of Ukraine wrote:Hi mods.

If I recall there used to be a post written by a mentor in International incidents in a non pg-13 thread and gave examples for what is okay and what is not okay. I remember the thread was a terror thing.

I wish to use it as an reference point and to bookmark it

Thanks for helping.

Not a mod, but there are no "non PG-13" threads on NSForums; the policy is across the entirety of it: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=260044#003

PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 5:46 pm
by Kyrusia
The Reichskommissariat of Ukraine wrote:Hi mods.

If I recall there used to be a post written by a mentor in International incidents in a non pg-13 thread and gave examples for what is okay and what is not okay. I remember the thread was a terror thing.

I wish to use it as an reference point and to bookmark it

Thanks for helping.

The only thread similar to what you mention (least that I can recall off the top of my head based on your description) is this one from the NS board, sometimes used by myself, Mentors, and other staff to indicate approximately where the line is for a roleplay. Otherwise, as said: regardless of what the thread title may imply, the posts adhere to the PG-13 Rule and are acceptable to post due to the manner in which they are written.

I will also quote myself here, more broadly, speaking of the PG-13 Rule:
Kyrusia wrote:
Euroslavia wrote:1) Keep it PG-13. The standard for both the forums and game is the US movie rating "PG-13". Mild swearing may be tolerated, mild sexuality may be hinted, but explicit or excessive versions of either or both may result in proportional mod response. Anything that crosses this boundary is subject to punishment depending on how far it goes.

Erotic roleplay and cybersexing are forbidden on all areas of the site -- forums, rmbs, or telegrams. Engaging in these anywhere on site will lead to warnings, bans, deletion or being declared Delete on Sight (DOS), depending on a player's prior history here.

Offensive Material: As mentioned previously, we use the US movie rating "PG-13" standard. Mild swearing may be tolerated, mild sexuality may be hinted, but explicit or excessive versions of either or both will result in moderation intervention.

Let's also take a moment to look at the Terms and Conditions of Use that all players agree to abide-by when they create an account (emphasis added):
Terms and Conditions of Use wrote:You may submit content to NationStates.net so long as it is not obscene, illegal, threatening, malicious, or defamatory, does not invade the privacy or infringe the intellectual property of a third party, and does not constitute "spam." You may not use a false e-mail address, impersonate any person or entity, attempt to "hack" the site or another player's account, nor otherwise mislead as to the origin of information.

There are limits, and yes, there is wiggle room due to the nature of a narrative (a roleplay), but that does not mean one can go off the rails and start posting what they want and say, "It was for narrative reasons!" That will get you smacked just as readily as posting gore will; doesn't matter if you really, really, promise, pinky-promise, double-dog-swear it was purely for innocent reasons. If you post something that seems to be for shock value or just trips across the line, traipsing into "R"-rated territory, you will earn something on your record - ranging from an unofficial warning all the way up to DEAT and beyond, depending on how far across the line it goes - be that in a roleplay or otherwise. If it's obscene, illegal, appears to be done for malicious reasons, or any of the others, it will be acted upon. "It's just roleplay!" is not an excuse.

Here is an older post from a similar question:
Kyrusia wrote:Secondly: as the rules state, the NS forums adhere to the "PG-13 Rule" as well as the rule against posting offensive material. What you should ask yourself is whether or not what you want to include - be it swearing, implied sexuality, a certain degree of violence, etc. - is being added to add value to the narrative, not simply for "shock value." This is a good litmus to follow, combined with remembering that any such thing becoming excessive (such as swearing) or explicit (such as sexuality) is likely to push you over the threshold and may result in punitive actions. You can consider appending a "Mature" tag to your posts, but understand that this does not suddenly absolve your responsibility to ensure what you post is not violating the rules; in other words: putting a "Mature" tag does not mean you can suddenly break the PG-13 rule, it simply serves as a warning to other players that your post/thread may contain mature or sensitive topics (which can cover a range of things and still be PG-13; genocide is often the example used here). [...] just remember: ask yourself whether something is adding to the narrative and keep anything from becoming excessive or - especially in the case of sexuality - explicit.

[...] if done poorly, if it crosses into the "R" rating, etc., you are likely to be punished with the post disappearing to the bottom of the Evidence Locker. Violence, implied sexuality, etc. can be done tastefully and in a manner that evokes an emotional response in the reader; this, if it is to be included, is how it should be done - not for shock value, not for gore porn. We have all manner of atrocities roleplayed, usually within the boundaries of the rules, on this forum on a daily basis; even so, some posts do break the rules, and we will act on them accordingly.

If a player does not feel they can portray something without breaking the rules, don't try. This is the best way to think about situations such as this: "If you don't know if it'd be acceptable or not, don't post it."

Hopefully this answers your question and provides greater context to the PG-13 Rule.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 5:55 pm
by Reploid Productions
Quick note about my example post too:
Though the thread says it's rated R, that's basically an artifact from the original 2004 posting. Technically speaking, the content of the post tapdances right up to the very brink of the PG-13 line. My best advice when dealing with mature topics such as sex or extreme violence is that "less is more", and you can write an incredibly effective scene that clocks in at a lower rating through tactical use of innuendo and merely implying things. It's going into graphic detail that will trip you up, crafty insinuation will often have a much greater impact on a reader and take you much further than simply trying to shock and awe with gruesome or graphic detail.

PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 12:30 am
by The Reichskommissariat of Ukraine
Thanks. Not really what I was looking for but at least I got a sample.

Also reppy that was a great read. You should write more.

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