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[R] Flamebaiting in Liberate FCN?

Postby Kavagrad » Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:03 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Gagium wrote:I don’t know what I expected from someone in your position.

Don't expect much from a commie.


At best, this is arguing in bad faith. Can we get a ruling on this?
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:21 pm

Kavagrad wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Don't expect much from a commie.


At best, this is arguing in bad faith. Can we get a ruling on this?

It's not much of a pejorative. Not actionable.
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Postby Kavagrad » Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:25 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
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At best, this is arguing in bad faith. Can we get a ruling on this?

It's not much of a pejorative. Not actionable.

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Postby Cedoria » Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:40 pm

Sorry if I should have done a separate topic for this one. But is this mild flaming in the same thread?

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First, grammar is your best friend. Please use it properly. For all your region's love of white culture (as your senate speakers signature so blatantly displays) you sure don't do a good job of properly adhering to the rules of a "white language."

You do realize how immensely hypocritical your comment is right? You're literally saying that you should be given the freedom to spread values that are inherently going to push people out of this community. I'm THUNDERSTRUCK at the sheer audacity you have to state that.

The point of this liberation, whether it be written by separatists of your region or not, is that you were all caught red-handed with some damning evidence of your values and attitudes. You're right when you say you're not the only ones on NS, that's true. And the people who are very rightly offended by the words spoken within your toxic cesspool of a region have the right to craft ways to boot that out what they feel is hostile towards them. Tolerance is not giving people the right to spread intolerance. That's a false equivalency, so stop trying to use it to play victim and justify the hatred that your region so willingly accepts.

You can't expect people to simply sit there and choose to be offended and willingly accept the hatred being thrown their way. It's not weakness, it's a human response.

All this is is 1 thing and 1 thing only. Weakness. I don't know what I expected from someone who most likely spending all their time on the internet and probably on welfare,but this is ridiculous! Get a spine,people say things learn how to sit there and take it. And yes,people should be given the freedom to spread values that are inherently going to push people out of this community. Its a funny thing called the first amendment,but do commies believe those things again?


I Bolded the bit that might not be kosher for emphasis.
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Postby Lalop » Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:44 pm

Cedoria wrote:Sorry if I should have done a separate topic for this one. But is this mild flaming in the same thread?

Lalop wrote:All this is is 1 thing and 1 thing only. Weakness. I don't know what I expected from someone who most likely spending all their time on the internet and probably on welfare,but this is ridiculous! Get a spine,people say things learn how to sit there and take it. And yes,people should be given the freedom to spread values that are inherently going to push people out of this community. Its a funny thing called the first amendment,but do commies believe those things again?


I Bolded the bit that might not be kosher for emphasis.

Arguing in mutual bad faith, not flaming in my opinion.

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Postby Reploid Productions » Tue Oct 02, 2018 5:50 pm

Lalop wrote:
Cedoria wrote:Sorry if I should have done a separate topic for this one. But is this mild flaming in the same thread?



I Bolded the bit that might not be kosher for emphasis.

Arguing in mutual bad faith, not flaming in my opinion.

As noted in my knock-it-off post, it is flaming. It is an attack on the player, not their argument. You can argue your position without calling your opponent a lazy welfare mooch. I suggest you learn to do so promptly.
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Postby Cedoria » Tue Oct 02, 2018 5:54 pm

Thanks for the prompt response:)
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Postby Gagium » Tue Oct 02, 2018 5:59 pm

Ubertas wrote:
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Let’s see here..we have TCB’s foreign affairs minister throwing around such terms such as white culture and white language, as well as still making the claims that our region is “toxic” (That term again?) in an apparent attempt to provoke a reaction. I don’t necessarily agree with all of Lalop’s points, though this is no way to respond. Then, you have your ending argument that our region accepts this behavior, which, in nearly ALL of our posts, we said we don’t! Could you at least pretend to have read or cared about any of the content in our posts?

I don’t know what I expected from someone in your position.


Yes, yes, yes I’ve seen these sad excuses and efforts to condemn the behavior that’s come to light. Doesn’t excuse the fact that the evidence I’ve seen points to the contrary. You say that you disagree, but actions speak louder, and form what actions I’ve witnessed I fail to see any meaning behind your words. You say your region does not accept this, when it is you yourself and members of your government who were caught saying these things. Even if you say “oh I didn’t mean it” or “oh I condemn that behavior now’ you yourself and your friends in here said those words, and you cannot unsay something.

As for my attempt to “provoke a reaction.” My good man, the truth often hurts and can be scathing. No sense is attempting to blanket it with euphemisms. You are not the victim, so stop using that subterfuge. It’s a poor attempt at it at best.

Now I have more pertinent matters than arguing with sad and disgruntled persons. Ciao! ;)

I’ve bolded what I believe may, at most, be flamebaiting, as it certainly seems to be baiting in the least. I’m not sure whether it’d count as flaming or flamebaiting though.
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Postby Kavagrad » Wed Oct 03, 2018 6:17 am

The Nexus Union wrote:Its times like these that solidify the fact that the WASC has degenerated into nest of rodents - using the power invested in them to censor ideology they disapprove of through their 'offensive' liberations. Its sad to see how they garner what little support they have by slapping on buzzwords like fascist/ homophobic/ racist etc onto proposals in an attempt to drive up peoples emotions. The WASC has more or less become a means to promote the interests of regions.

This might also warrant a looking-at, emphasis mine.
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Postby Lamoni » Wed Oct 03, 2018 6:33 am

Kavagrad wrote:
The Nexus Union wrote:Its times like these that solidify the fact that the WASC has degenerated into nest of rodents - using the power invested in them to censor ideology they disapprove of through their 'offensive' liberations. Its sad to see how they garner what little support they have by slapping on buzzwords like fascist/ homophobic/ racist etc onto proposals in an attempt to drive up peoples emotions. The WASC has more or less become a means to promote the interests of regions.

This might also warrant a looking-at, emphasis mine.


In poor taste, and the poster is likely hiding behind a puppet, but not actionable.
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Postby Lamoni » Wed Oct 03, 2018 6:36 am

Gagium wrote:
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Yes, yes, yes I’ve seen these sad excuses and efforts to condemn the behavior that’s come to light. Doesn’t excuse the fact that the evidence I’ve seen points to the contrary. You say that you disagree, but actions speak louder, and form what actions I’ve witnessed I fail to see any meaning behind your words. You say your region does not accept this, when it is you yourself and members of your government who were caught saying these things. Even if you say “oh I didn’t mean it” or “oh I condemn that behavior now’ you yourself and your friends in here said those words, and you cannot unsay something.

As for my attempt to “provoke a reaction.” My good man, the truth often hurts and can be scathing. No sense is attempting to blanket it with euphemisms. You are not the victim, so stop using that subterfuge. It’s a poor attempt at it at best.

Now I have more pertinent matters than arguing with sad and disgruntled persons. Ciao! ;)

I’ve bolded what I believe may, at most, be flamebaiting, as it certainly seems to be baiting in the least. I’m not sure whether it’d count as flaming or flamebaiting though.


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Postby Kavagrad » Wed Oct 03, 2018 6:40 am

Lamoni wrote:
Kavagrad wrote:This might also warrant a looking-at, emphasis mine.


In poor taste, and the poster is likely hiding behind a puppet, but not actionable.

I'd like a second opinion on this, if that's possible. I don't see how "sad and disgruntled" is actionable while "nest of rodents" isn't.
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Postby Frisbeeteria » Wed Oct 03, 2018 6:50 am

Second opinion here.

"sad and disgruntled" is addressing players. "nest of rodents" is addressing nations. It's not the words, it's how and why they are used.


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