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Frisbeeteria
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Capitalizt

Postby Frisbeeteria » Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:58 pm

Eglaecia wrote:
This place would quickly devolve into chaos without mods.

God willing!

There's nothing stopping you from creating your own free web game and forums and attracting a few hundred thousand users. You can be as chaotic as you like on your own hosted site. We collectively prefer a little less chaos.

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Postby Katganistan » Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:21 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Mallorea and Riva wrote:No two cases are alike. Sometimes we get an appeal from someone who posted something like porn. Not much discussion to be had. Sometimes it's something far more complex, like us deciding whether so-and-so's history under puppets x, y, and z seems to be linked to region M and their ongoing feud with region L which can be seen from this GHR back here... blah blah blah.

It'd be nice if players could receive their own discussions though. Aside from a 'your sig is too long' I've not had any run-ins with the mods in 3 and a half years (How? How have I managed that one? I don't know), but I'd still be interested to know what was said about me.


If you haven't had any run-ins, chances are you didn't break rules and we didn't discuss you.

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:42 pm

Katganistan wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:It'd be nice if players could receive their own discussions though. Aside from a 'your sig is too long' I've not had any run-ins with the mods in 3 and a half years (How? How have I managed that one? I don't know), but I'd still be interested to know what was said about me.


If you haven't had any run-ins, chances are you didn't break rules and we didn't discuss you.


I'm referring to before 3 years ago.
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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby The Multiverse of Holly Starlight » Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:45 pm

Frisbeeteria wrote:
Eglaecia wrote:God willing!

There's nothing stopping you from creating your own free web game and forums and attracting a few hundred thousand users. You can be as chaotic as you like on your own hosted site. We collectively prefer a little less chaos.


And considering that NS has existed since 2002, creating your own web game on this grand scale would be, ehh... Pretty difficult at this point! NS just has a huge following, and the current set of rules are optimal.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Thu Aug 30, 2018 1:25 am

I lie awake at night reading the collected works of Marx, trying to decide how to better apply his teachings to moderation.


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There is already one. You have to guess.

The idea that I'd need to apply some form of advanced Turing test to the entire Moderation team in an attempt to identify it just sounds horrifying. :lol2:


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Postby Jebslund » Thu Aug 30, 2018 3:19 am

Frisbeeteria wrote:
Eglaecia wrote:God willing!

There's nothing stopping you from creating your own free web game and forums and attracting a few hundred thousand users. You can be as chaotic as you like on your own hosted site. We collectively prefer a little less chaos.

Ah, but there is: It's much easier to try to make someone else's site play by your rules than to exercise the creativity and hard work needed to build a site with similar popularity. :roll:
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Postby The Holy Therns » Thu Aug 30, 2018 6:14 am

Eglaecia wrote:The moderation team is an unelected, authoritarian institution that should be abolished. Simple as that.


For what conceivable reason would you ever think this is a good idea?
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The New California Republic
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Aug 30, 2018 6:38 am

The Holy Therns wrote:
Eglaecia wrote:The moderation team is an unelected, authoritarian institution that should be abolished. Simple as that.


For what conceivable reason would you ever think this is a good idea?

Some people just want to see the forums burn with the heat of a million flame posts. :lol2:
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Aug 30, 2018 6:41 am

The New California Republic wrote:
The Holy Therns wrote:
For what conceivable reason would you ever think this is a good idea?

Some people just want to see the forums burn with the heat of a million flame posts. :lol2:

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Postby The Holy Therns » Thu Aug 30, 2018 6:50 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Some people just want to see the forums burn with the heat of a million flame posts. :lol2:

Do you never wish to see the end times, just to see what it'd be like?


Not particularly.
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Postby Euroslavia » Thu Aug 30, 2018 9:33 am

Shazbotdom wrote:I think anyone that claims that the Mods here overmoderate are habitual offenders who have gotten hit over the head with that banhammer of Reppy's several times. Or are from websites that allow them to do whatever they want without punishment.


Reppy’s Banhammer is pretty large, so I wouldn’t doubt it if it caused permanent damage.
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The New California Republic
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Aug 30, 2018 9:40 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Some people just want to see the forums burn with the heat of a million flame posts. :lol2:

Do you never wish to see the end times, just to see what it'd be like?

No. I'd rather have the forums continue to exist thanks. :p
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Postby Enfaru » Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:24 am

Euroslavia wrote:
Shazbotdom wrote:I think anyone that claims that the Mods here overmoderate are habitual offenders who have gotten hit over the head with that banhammer of Reppy's several times. Or are from websites that allow them to do whatever they want without punishment.


Reppy’s Banhammer is pretty large, so I wouldn’t doubt it if it caused permanent damage.


I take offense to that all x are y inference. As the mods are fully aware, while I've had...one or two 'minor' run ins in the past, my record is largely speaking clean albeit stamped, "Nuisance, do not feed." Also, I don't think I've ever been banned. (Think I had a time out for 24 hours but that was such a long time ago).

Edit.

While taking offense, I'm not pressing any charges.
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Postby Twilight Imperium » Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:36 pm

Enfaru wrote:
While taking offense, I'm not pressing any charges.


"charges"? For what?

Shitposting in the first degree? :eyebrow:
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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Silver Commonwealth » Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:28 pm

Eglaecia wrote:The moderation team is an unelected, authoritarian institution that should be abolished. Simple as that.

Nah, still better than Youtube comment section. I mean, in forums like those, we need a strong moderation. It would be better, if we could just moderate ourselves before we post, though.
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Postby Notovasian Tsardom » Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:33 pm

How has your experiences been like with the moderators of NS?


Mainly positive, my old nation Siberai got DEATed for some unknown reason, the mods never specified, but it must have been a good reason, so I don't bother pestering them about it.

Have you had bad experiences with the moderators?


No, never. I even hope to be one myself. But I have a bit of a history, so it's unlikely..

Do you know anyone else that has?


Friend of mine got DEATed for his actions. He deserved it, but still, it's a bit iffy.

Have you had good experiences?


Plenty. Farn is a comedic person I look up to, Reppy is a nice but firm guiding hand, The Ol Red Ram is kinda cool, wanna be like him someday.

Do you know someone that has had the same?


Dunno. Maybe.
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Postby Kyrusia » Thu Aug 30, 2018 3:43 pm

Notovasian Tsardom wrote:Mainly positive, my old nation Siberai got DEATed for some unknown reason, the mods never specified, but it must have been a good reason, so I don't bother pestering them about it.

You could, despite saying you don't want to "pester" us, actually ask.
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The New California Republic
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Aug 30, 2018 3:49 pm

Notovasian Tsardom wrote:my old nation Siberai got DEATed for some unknown reason, the mods never specified, but it must have been a good reason, so I don't bother pestering them about it.

No offense, but mods don't just DEAT nations on a whim. I'm thinking there was an entirely justified reason that you know about; because, if it was my nation that got DEATed seemingly for no reason, I'd be appealing that shit without delay, as would other players on here. Nah, I just don't buy it...
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They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
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Postby Katganistan » Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:16 pm

Silver Commonwealth wrote:
Eglaecia wrote:The moderation team is an unelected, authoritarian institution that should be abolished. Simple as that.

Nah, still better than Youtube comment section. I mean, in forums like those, we need a strong moderation. It would be better, if we could just moderate ourselves before we post, though.

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:24 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Notovasian Tsardom wrote:my old nation Siberai got DEATed for some unknown reason, the mods never specified, but it must have been a good reason, so I don't bother pestering them about it.

No offense, but mods don't just DEAT nations on a whim. I'm thinking there was an entirely justified reason that you know about; because, if it was my nation that got DEATed seemingly for no reason, I'd be appealing that shit without delay, as would other players on here. Nah, I just don't buy it...

Even when I know the reason I still appeal and try and work out a reason why it's not as bad as claimed.
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Postby Zanera » Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:52 pm

They do their jobs and stuff and I agreed to the rules when I posted on the forum, in principal, so I guess I can't complain and uh...
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Postby Agarntrop » Sun Sep 02, 2018 1:38 am

Have you had bad experiences with the moderators?
Yes, I was 1 day banned by m&r for spam and I was warned numerously by mods before about putting threads in the wrong forum


Do you know anyone else that has?
No

Have you had good experiences?
Yes, most moderators listen to me and I get along with.

Do you know someone that has had the same?
No
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Postby Mackjaracotavon » Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:10 pm

I've only been banned once, on my main account (Natornic Cultures) for spamming moderation, and have since mellowed out. I now only post on Moderation with less frivolous comments that actually add evidence of misdemeanors by other members of the community. If everyone could be less abrasive, the moderation team would need less time prowling the forums, and actually spend more time playing the game to their hearts desires (or spend time with families, or just generally enjoy themselves.) All in all, aside from the rare mistake, the moderation team is very much professional in what they do, and deserve credit and thanks for ensuring a safe community for everyone to enjoy.

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Postby Cosmopolitan borovan » Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:17 pm

I think some things are pretty unfair because jurisdictions are out of reach off aite

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Postby Twilight Imperium » Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:13 pm

As for the answer to "do moderators over moderate", it seems to lie between "no" and "lol no".

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