Do moderators over moderate?

[Shazbotdom]

I think anyone that claims that the Mods here overmoderate are habitual offenders who have gotten hit over the head with that banhammer of Reppy's several times. Or are from websites that allow them to do whatever they want without punishment.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I think anyone that claims that the Mods here overmoderate are habitual offenders who have gotten hit over the head with that banhammer of Reppy's several times. Or are from websites that allow them to do whatever they want without punishment.

I wouldn't prefer an unmoderated forum (that opinion has changed from previously), but I do think that often moderator punishments can be a little heavy-handed, and the flaming/trolling rules are taken a little too far. 'not adding anything to the discussion' (like political nicknaming, autistic screeching) is a little stupid a justification to result in bans in my opinion.

[Neutraligon]

My general impression of mods have been rather good...but then I have had I think 1 unofficial warning, and that was for pic spam. I have had disagreements with mods, and still do not really agree with one of the ways their rules are set up. Namely I am talking about discussing rulings in moderation. I can understand to some extent why discussing specific moderation rulings is not allowed, since that would clutter up moderation. On the other hand, I sometimes feel that we need to be able to point to specific examples when discussing something about moderation (or as has rarely been the case discuss the implications of a specific ruling since they can be more far reaching).

[Bears Armed]

And also because it's more or less a fact that unmoderated ones will quickly go downhill.

NationStates was actually started with an unmoderated forum, and apparently (although this was before my time, so I can't say from first-hand knowledge) it was heading that way before Max decided that Mods were needed after all & selected the first ones.

[The Black Forrest]

Moderators are allegedly humans. They do the best they can, sometimes they make mistakes, and they have biases, then again, who doesn't? But by and large they make a conscious effort to Get it right. I for one, appreciate the effort and much prefer a moderated site to an unmoderated one.

I'm waiting for the first AI moderator to come into being...

There is already one. You have to guess.

[The New California Republic]

I'm waiting for the first AI moderator to come into being...

There is already one. You have to guess.

The idea that I'd need to apply some form of advanced Turing test to the entire Moderation team in an attempt to identify it just sounds horrifying.

[Neutraligon]

There is already one. You have to guess.

The idea that I'd need to apply some form of advanced Turing test to the entire Moderation team in an attempt to identify it just sounds horrifying.

Given you cannot tell already...doesn't that mean the mod has already passed the test? Well that or all the mods are way to much like computers *Eyes mods

[The New California Republic]

The idea that I'd need to apply some form of advanced Turing test to the entire Moderation team in an attempt to identify it just sounds horrifying.

Given you cannot tell already...doesn't that mean the mod has already passed the test? Well that or all the mods are way to much like computers *Eyes mods

Ah, but the test needs to be done under lab conditions, we can't determine it with accuracy when the Mods are all sat in their native environment of NationStates.

[Lord Dominator]

And also because it's more or less a fact that unmoderated ones will quickly go downhill.

NationStates was actually started with an unmoderated forum, and apparently (although this was before my time, so I can't say from first-hand knowledge) it was heading that way before Max decided that Mods were needed after all & selected the first ones.

If I recall correctly, the thing that convinced [v] that mods were needed was pornspam (or something of a similarly rule-breaking nature) that ended up going unaddressed for a number of hours.

[USS Monitor]

Moderators are allegedly humans. They do the best they can, sometimes they make mistakes, and they have biases, then again, who doesn't? But by and large they make a conscious effort to Get it right. I for one, appreciate the effort and much prefer a moderated site to an unmoderated one.

I'm waiting for the first AI moderator to come into being...

People are working on it.

[Ransium]

I'm waiting for the first AI moderator to come into being...

People are working on it.

All joking aside, I’m working on neural network development IRL, and honestly I think somethings could definitely be more automated (still maintaining human over site). But I’m not about to volunteer the time to make it happen.

Besides neural network’s understanding text/tabular data is something I’m aware of but not where I work.

[Bananaistan]

What i want to know is why the Forum rule can't be as simple as this


http://yellow-empire.freeforums.net/thr ... orum-rules

You forgot to mention all these rules that also apply to your forum: https://www.proboards.com/tos , https://www.proboards.com/community-guidelines , etc. Seems to me like we have far less rules here than your forum.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

What i want to know is why the Forum rule can't be as simple as this


http://yellow-empire.freeforums.net/thr ... orum-rules

You forgot to mention all these rules that also apply to your forum: https://www.proboards.com/tos , https://www.proboards.com/community-guidelines , etc. Seems to me like we have far less rules here than your forum.

Self-hosted is the way to go.

[The New California Republic]

I'm waiting for the first AI moderator to come into being...

People are working on it.

I mean even if it isn't a "Moderator" as such, it could just be an automated program that trawls the forums or RMBs looking for certain keywords and posting behavior, assigns them a "score", and automatically flags them in the Moderator toolkit for review if a certain score threshold is reached. It could gradually build up a picture of what trolling/flaming/harassment looks like, based on samples provided by the Moderation team. Of course none of that would replace the manual reporting by players through a GHR or in Moderation, nor would it replace actual Moderators, but it might be able to flag up stuff that may be missed.

[Jebslund]

What i want to know is why the Forum rule can't be as simple as this


http://yellow-empire.freeforums.net/thr ... orum-rules

You forgot to mention all these rules that also apply to your forum: https://www.proboards.com/tos , https://www.proboards.com/community-guidelines , etc. Seems to me like we have far less rules here than your forum.

I would not be the least bit surprised if they, like a lot of PB sites, ignore those rules as much as the PB staff let them.

[USS Monitor]

People are working on it.

I mean even if it isn't a "Moderator" as such, it could just be an automated program that trawls the forums or RMBs looking for certain keywords and posting behavior, assigns them a "score", and automatically flags them in the Moderator toolkit for review if a certain score threshold is reached. It could gradually build up a picture of what trolling/flaming/harassment looks like, based on samples provided by the Moderation team. Of course none of that would replace the manual reporting by players through a GHR or in Moderation, nor would it replace actual Moderators, but it might be able to flag up stuff that may be missed.

There is software like that. It's not what we are using on NS, but it definitely exists elsewhere.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

People are working on it.

I mean even if it isn't a "Moderator" as such, it could just be an automated program that trawls the forums or RMBs looking for certain keywords and posting behavior, assigns them a "score", and automatically flags them in the Moderator toolkit for review if a certain score threshold is reached. It could gradually build up a picture of what trolling/flaming/harassment looks like, based on samples provided by the Moderation team. Of course none of that would replace the manual reporting by players through a GHR or in Moderation, nor would it replace actual Moderators, but it might be able to flag up stuff that may be missed.

I imagine some site has tried that and it got really spammy with a tonne of false posatives.

[Eglaecia]

The moderation team is an unelected, authoritarian institution that should be abolished. Simple as that.

[The New California Republic]

The moderation team is an unelected, authoritarian institution that should be abolished. Simple as that.

...wait, you know that the moderation forum in its entirety is OOC...right?

[Gandoor]

The moderation team is an unelected, authoritarian institution that should be abolished. Simple as that.

...wait, you know that the moderation forum in its entirety is OOC...right?

I mean I've seen plenty of posts in my time here to say that, for some people, that is a 100% genuine belief they hold.

The moderation team is an unelected, authoritarian institution that should be abolished. Simple as that.

Hahahahahaha no.

[Lord Dominator]

The moderation team is an unelected, authoritarian institution that should be abolished. Simple as that.

But then who would orchestrate the liberal-fascist-Jewish-authortarian-conservative-communist-democratic-unicorn-illuminati-Muslim-SJW-feminist-nazi-anarchist-partiarcial conspiracy, huh?
Didn't think about that, did you?

[Xmara]

The moderation team is an unelected, authoritarian institution that should be abolished. Simple as that.

Yeah, no.

This place would quickly devolve into chaos without mods.

[Eglaecia]

The moderation team is an unelected, authoritarian institution that should be abolished. Simple as that.

...wait, you know that the moderation forum in its entirety is OOC...right?

thanks for stating the obvious?

The moderation team is an unelected, authoritarian institution that should be abolished. Simple as that.

Yeah, no.

This place would quickly devolve into chaos without mods.

God willing!

[The New California Republic]

...wait, you know that the moderation forum in its entirety is OOC...right?

thanks for stating the obvious?

What you said seemed kinda whimsical, so I assumed it was IC.

[Jebslund]

Yeah, no.

This place would quickly devolve into chaos without mods.

God willing!

Seems to me you want 4chan, mate. You're clearly on the wrong forum.