Mod/admin fear

[-United Republic of Freedonia]

Everyone talking about Reppy, i'm honestly not afraid from her, maybe because i didn't saw the Brony Reploid Baroness in action for a while. I hope she didn't went dark and became a Maverick, if that happends we're fricked.

The ones i'm actually afraid is that girl from Kantai Collection who is stuck in the past and posted this

Are you scared of mods? Cos I can try to scare the shit out of you if you're scared of mods.

and Kyrusia (i got a warring for spam long time ago from his, sorry!), he writes in a more darker red text than the rest and i always read his posts in the most dark voice possible. Nevertheless, all Mods are great and help to make the forums feel special. Thanks Modders!.

[Eluvatar]

I learned how to get along

[USS Monitor]

I don't get why people think Reppy is scary. Reppy is nice.

I have to agree. Mods are intimidating.

I remember some of the stuff you've posted in NSG. I don't see much reason for you to be afraid of mods.

The ones i'm actually afraid is that girl from Kantai Collection who is stuck in the past and posted this

Are you scared of mods? Cos I can try to scare the shit out of you if you're scared of mods.

That post should be taken very literally because the player said he needed help pooping.

[Infected Mushroom]

The mods are like the police of nation states. There is nothing to be afraid of. They are here to help and protect.

The mods are bound by a code of honor. It’s a great honor and privilege to be a member of moderation. People don’t become mods to terrorize and oppress posters; they become mods because they care about justice and law and order.

The moderation can 100% be trusted. If you see any troublemakers, you should be a good citizen and report them.

[Galloism]

The mods are like the police of nation states. There is nothing to be afraid of. They are here to help and protect.

The mods are bound by a code of honor. It’s a great honor and privilege to be a member of moderation. People don’t become mods to terrorize and oppress posters; they become mods because they care about justice and law and order.

The moderation can 100% be trusted. If you see any troublemakers, you should be a good citizen and report them.

Well I’ve never had any fear of moderation - until this post that is.

Please don’t taze me.


In all seriousness, they aren’t bad folk for the most part. It’s a volunteer gig and it is what it is.

[Juristonia]

The only way to make sure you have a spotless record is to never post on an RMB or on the onsite forums..

I've been here for well over a decade.
Never read the rules. Never got as much as a warning.

Literally the only thing I generally try to do is not act like a dick, and that has worked for me so far.
If you find it that easy to rack up warnings, you might want to look at your posting habits, rather than blaming it on moderation.

[Torrocca]

Honestly, I don't have much an issue with the mod/admin team myself. I've racked up warnings, of course, for being a dick (an arguably justifiable dick, considering the circumstances behind those warnings). But at the end of the day, they're just volunteers trying to keep things a little bit sane on the site.

[Free Arabian Nation]

The mods are like the police of nation states. There is nothing to be afraid of.

jk

[RiderSyl]

The only way to make sure you have a spotless record is to never post on an RMB or on the onsite forums..

I've been here for well over a decade.
Never read the rules. Never got as much as a warning.

Literally the only thing I generally try to do is not act like a dick, and that has worked for me so far.
If you find it that easy to rack up warnings, you might want to look at your posting habits, rather than blaming it on moderation.

You don't need to tell me. I gave the NS techies DEN's cheating tools and the NS mods the tools' logs, causing the largest invader region in 2015 to be deleted. I've corrected a lot of my problem behaviors from when I first joined the game based on moderator rulings, in my cases and others. One of the weird rulings in a case of mine has been meme'd to death by NSGP because of how questionable it was, but I didn't take it to final appeal because I didn't want to make already-overworked and unpaid mods spend a week on it.

I have a problem with the circumstances in which the mods and admins conduct their service. I don't have a problem with the mods. The mods are just serving.

[The Blaatschapen]

I am scared of the new mods.

I don't have dirt on those yet.

Edit:except Jakker.

[Lamoni]

I am scared of the new mods.

I don't have dirt on those yet.

Edit:except Jakker.

Don't expect to find much on me, Blaat. Maybe i'll have someone shear you... wool does make for a nice winter coat.

[RiderSyl]

I am scared of the new mods.

I don't have dirt on those yet.

Edit:except Jakker.

Don't expect to find much on me, Blaat. Maybe i'll have someone shear you... wool does make for a nice winter coat.

The Meow family secrets are well kept! Anything to find is locked away!

[USS Monitor]

I have a problem with the circumstances in which the mods and admins conduct their service. I don't have a problem with the mods. The mods are just serving.

Do you have any suggestions to improve the system?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

In my opinion the only way to fix moderation would be to hire some actual payed moderators.

NS existed a long time prior to the ns store, and telegram stamps and such and I know of people who literally spend over a thousand dollars a year on tg stamps. I can't help but wonder where that cash goes.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

And you are one of the prime reasons why the primary use of this moderation board nowadays is to report your enemies and hope they're gone before you are

I'd have reported you for some of the stuff I've seen you say....

And I have had next to no interaction with you.

It takes a lot to get a report from me, unless it's lke an adbot or somesuch.
A campaign of harassment would do it, a doxing attempt would do it. A mod would get far less leeway when it comes to a report from me (they're sort of held to a higher standard, sex jokes made to a 12 year old on an rmb not good) but their's very little in general I would report.

Things I would never report on are pg-13 violations in telegrams (unless I knew that one participant was under age or not comfortable with the interaction), returning dos players (Yeah, when you DoS friends of mine I get a little unwilling to help you catch others), the more ridiculous uses of the term 'trolling' (like political nicknaming), and 'trolling,' which effectively means an unpopular opinion expressed without sugarcoating on this site.

[Caracasus]

Eh. I've seen players get warned where it's clear that someone's just lost their temper and probably just needed to step back from the keyboard for 5 mins and think before posting - and honestly I've probably come close to doing that myself once or twice. I can totally see how someone could get a warning that they didn't feel was appropriate as well - but at the end of the day the mods are human, as are players so of course there's going to be a degree of subjectivity to it.

Having said that, I don't get why you'd fear them. A warning is just that, a warning. It's a slap on the wrist "watch it sunshine". I've seen a couple of threads on NSG devolve into someone getting deleted and it really does seem like you have to go some to get yourself deleted. The system in place to ensure that mods don't abuse their power seems to broadly work - though I admit I don't know all the intricate workings behind it I gather that deletes aren't handed out on a whim.

NS has a better moderation system than most websites I've seen to be honest. The rules are reasonably clear - broadly speaking don't be a dick to other players - and it's hardly tyranny as no-one is forced to live on NS forums. If you really struggle with the rules and cannot follow them, there are at least a dozen other websites on the internet, or so I've heard.

[USS Monitor]

In my opinion the only way to fix moderation would be to hire some actual payed moderators.

NS existed a long time prior to the ns store, and telegram stamps and such and I know of people who literally spend over a thousand dollars a year on tg stamps. I can't help but wonder where that cash goes.

Paying people doesn't necessarily make them do their jobs well.

[The Holy Therns]

Naw, they're not scary. They're fuzzy wuzzies the whole bunch of 'em, really.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

In my opinion the only way to fix moderation would be to hire some actual payed moderators.

NS existed a long time prior to the ns store, and telegram stamps and such and I know of people who literally spend over a thousand dollars a year on tg stamps. I can't help but wonder where that cash goes.

Paying people doesn't necessarily make them do their jobs well.

It means that the issue of 'why the fuck am I doing this, I get no gratitude and just more work' doesn't come up.

[USS Monitor]

Paying people doesn't necessarily make them do their jobs well.

It means that the issue of 'why the fuck am I doing this, I get no gratitude and just more work' doesn't come up.

I've seen plenty of people get that attitude at paid jobs.

[Dumb Ideologies]

It feels somewhat that moderation doesn't quite have it's ducks in a row on when to formally warn and when to issue a knock-it-off or accept something as harmless banter.

On the surface it looks partly generational, with the newer ones quicker to slap down needlessly harsh punishments and then the seniors reluctant to overrule someone new and diminish their authority, even when they acknowledge the punishment was dubious at best.

This has enabled the recent rise in hit and run reporting of ideological opponents for the most trivial things, sometimes using disposable nations that don't post anywhere except moderation.

The mods are increasingly being used as ideological weapons and the inconsistencies and unwillingness to give players the benefit of the doubt, particularly when appealed so that a senior mod has to take a look, gives a clear - if unintentional - message that the system is exploitable and that misteps will rarely be corrected.

Fear? No. Exasperation at mistakes being repeated and thereby encouraging the cycle? Yes.

[RiderSyl]

I have a problem with the circumstances in which the mods and admins conduct their service. I don't have a problem with the mods. The mods are just serving.

Do you have any suggestions to improve the system?

It's 6 AM here, so I'll post a lot more after some day-sleep, but here's one of the big ones right now:

Get rid of the "NS players first" requirement in certain cases. I've often thought about how many individuals came along that could have made excellent members of the NS staff, but the requirement that they be experienced as a player of NS first denied them a chance, because their only interest was in moderation. In these special cases, the candidate would have to have experience at an authority level at another website that NS staff believe properly prepares them for their service here, or be sufficiently vouched for by an existing member of NS staff.

[The Anti-Social Socialists]

In my opinion the only way to fix moderation would be to hire some actual payed moderators.

NS existed a long time prior to the ns store, and telegram stamps and such and I know of people who literally spend over a thousand dollars a year on tg stamps. I can't help but wonder where that cash goes.

I'm afraid I cannot help but doubt this. Spending 'literally' $1000 per year (assuming this is US dollars, mind) would imply that they receive 1 million stamps per annum. Assuming no stockpiling, it also implies the use of around 2740 stamps per day.
Realistically speaking, nobody has both the time and money to do this. Even if they did, I think it would be easier for them to become a RO for the telegram perks.
(Math rant out of the way)

Anyway, regarding moderation fixes, I think it might be nice to have transparency regarding what the moderators take into account when dealing with reports on, as is frequently noted, a case-by-case basis. The appeals system, in my view, is fine. It does its best to remove and/or discourage moderator bias. I think some matters seem a tad arbitrary because our moderators are so diverse (and, hence, potentially have vastly different perceptions on what does and does not break the site rules). It's not like a state, or even federal court, where you've got judges with largely similar experience or expertise; these people are volunteers. It makes sense, in that respect, to have 'specialist' moderators who have intimate knowledge of, say, NS Sports, to take on the brunt of issues in that forum.

With respect to fearing getting smacked for rule violations, I don't think it's really that difficult to reasonably interpret the OSRS and pay attention to recent moderation rulings. If it's a one-off mistake, you'd ordinarily get a warning. One that fades away after 6 months, if memory serves correctly. Making mistakes, as both players and mods do from time to time, seems to very rarely result in something permanent.
I'm not overly sure what the fuss is about, really.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

In my opinion the only way to fix moderation would be to hire some actual payed moderators.

NS existed a long time prior to the ns store, and telegram stamps and such and I know of people who literally spend over a thousand dollars a year on tg stamps. I can't help but wonder where that cash goes.

I'm afraid I cannot help but doubt this. Spending 'literally' $1000 per year (assuming this is US dollars, mind) would imply that they receive 1 million stamps per annum. Assuming no stockpiling, it also implies the use of around 2740 stamps per day.
Realistically speaking, nobody has both the time and money to do this. Even if they did, I think it would be easier for them to become a RO for the telegram perks.
(Math rant out of the way)

Anyway, regarding moderation fixes, I think it might be nice to have transparency regarding what the moderators take into account when dealing with reports on, as is frequently noted, a case-by-case basis. The appeals system, in my view, is fine. It does its best to remove and/or discourage moderator bias. I think some matters seem a tad arbitrary because our moderators are so diverse (and, hence, potentially have vastly different perceptions on what does and does not break the site rules). It's not like a state, or even federal court, where you've got judges with largely similar experience or expertise; these people are volunteers. It makes sense, in that respect, to have 'specialist' moderators who have intimate knowledge of, say, NS Sports, to take on the brunt of issues in that forum.

With respect to fearing getting smacked for rule violations, I don't think it's really that difficult to reasonably interpret the OSRS and pay attention to recent moderation rulings. If it's a one-off mistake, you'd ordinarily get a warning. One that fades away after 6 months, if memory serves correctly. Making mistakes, as both players and mods do from time to time, seems to very rarely result in something permanent.
I'm not overly sure what the fuss is about, really.

Their are regions which are stamp recruiting constantly, and people with very bad priorities.

[The North Fort]

Clearly the only way to fix this is to make NS’s official religion mod worship