by Moneyness » Sat Aug 12, 2017 9:31 am
by Deadeye Jack » Sat Aug 12, 2017 11:02 am
by USS Monitor » Sat Aug 12, 2017 11:39 am
by Siniarus XVII » Sat Aug 12, 2017 11:43 am
Deadeye Jack wrote:Darkspawn is not picked to be some kind of unflattering commentary on raiding. It's directly from lore from the source material our region is built around.
by Deadeye Jack » Sat Aug 12, 2017 11:53 am
Siniarus XVII wrote:Deadeye Jack wrote:Darkspawn is not picked to be some kind of unflattering commentary on raiding. It's directly from lore from the source material our region is built around.
Honestly, I think I speak for a lot of raiders when I say that I'd prefer not to have your lore pushed on me when it involves us being labeled as vile, animalistic, subhuman creatures and not being able to respond in kind.
by Kollin » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:55 pm
Siniarus XVII wrote:Deadeye Jack wrote:Darkspawn is not picked to be some kind of unflattering commentary on raiding. It's directly from lore from the source material our region is built around.
Honestly, I think I speak for a lot of raiders when I say that I'd prefer not to have your lore pushed on me when it involves us being labeled as vile, animalistic, subhuman creatures and not being able to respond in kind.
by Siniarus XVII » Sat Aug 12, 2017 2:07 pm
Kollin wrote:Perhaps a solution then would be not to bother such people and leave them alone? Or does that make too much sense?
by Reploid Productions » Sat Aug 12, 2017 2:16 pm
[violet] wrote:Maybe we could power our new search engine from the sexual tension between you two.
by North East Somerset » Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:33 pm
Reploid Productions wrote:It doesn't help the existing participants since it just fosters more OOC ill will, leading to "these guys are the ENEMY and must be beaten by any means possible." (And if we want to go down that rabbit hole all the way, that's in part how we ended up with the Predator debacle.
Reploid Productions wrote:Even the most bitter of rivals can treat one another with a modicum of decent sportsmanship over the myriad different flavors of "get the delegacy" that they all play.
by Deadeye Jack » Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:45 pm
by Roavin » Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:04 pm
Reploid Productions wrote:The hagfish analogy was flat out attacking OOC with a window-dressing of IC fluff. If I didn't similarly scold for "darkspawn" as well, especially after so many targets of that phrasing started complaining, we'd be seeing "Mods have anti-raider bias! Why do defenders get to call us <loaded term> but we can't call them <other loaded term>?!" instead. Maybe once we can the poor sportsmanship flushed out and get people back to remembering that this is all just a game, then we can back things off. Even the most bitter of rivals can treat one another with a modicum of decent sportsmanship over the myriad different flavors of "get the delegacy" that they all play.
by Reploid Productions » Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:12 pm
Deadeye Jack wrote:Related to the post here: viewtopic.php?p=32319464#p32319464
Are we being asked to remove the term "darkspawn" from all recruitment telegrams and dispatches as well? We want to make sure we are not opening ourselves up to any moderator punishment on this front.
[violet] wrote:Maybe we could power our new search engine from the sexual tension between you two.
by Roavin » Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:17 pm
Reploid Productions wrote:I mean, Gameplay is basically the PvP of Nationstates, making it pure happy hippy huggy fluff just ain't gonna happen.
by North East Somerset » Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:20 pm
Reploid Productions wrote:But we can address how it looks to the wider community and try to make the discourse at least marginally healthier. Or at least more in line with the rest of the boards so we don't periodically get people who see GP behavior and mistakenly assume that it's okay across all the boards.
by Pergamon » Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:28 pm
by G-Tech Corporation » Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:32 pm
Pergamon wrote:Not that it would matter anymore. The game was more fun when people not only could dish out hard hits but were also able to take em'. Instead we bother the moderation with regular GP banter that nowadays seems to be "mod worthy"? (The hell.) And GP dissolved into one giant pile of whiny kids. Over the increasing tensions in GP, many of the major gameplayers of this age were in a state of constant whine and complaint, I'd spare you the detail of what whiny logs I got to read, for yes, actual IC GP stuff. If this game would share the stern culture of some other major polsims, many of you would've been devoured alive (metaphorically speaking).
IMO, Gameplay is not for everyone. If you cannot stand to take hits, then don't join the battle. I get the idea of civility in GP and the constant fear it dissolves into toxicity and flame al etc. but I honestly think we are going to far with the civility matter. Not the tension of conflict should end, the whining: the whining should end.
by Reploid Productions » Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:34 pm
North East Somerset wrote:But Gameplay has always been like this...
[violet] wrote:Maybe we could power our new search engine from the sexual tension between you two.
by Deadeye Jack » Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:43 pm
Reploid Productions wrote:Deadeye Jack wrote:Related to the post here: viewtopic.php?p=32319464#p32319464
Are we being asked to remove the term "darkspawn" from all recruitment telegrams and dispatches as well? We want to make sure we are not opening ourselves up to any moderator punishment on this front.
Internal communications aren't something that we're likely to see. What people call their opponents in private is really beyond our scope unless we get people reporting TGs or something. (We can't just go snooping TGs without a valid reason.) Dispatches are kinda murky because although public, generally you have to specifically be looking for them in contrast to the forum just being right there in everyone's face. Maybe reduce how frequently the term is used there?
I mean, Gameplay is basically the PvP of Nationstates, making it pure happy hippy huggy fluff just ain't gonna happen. But we can address how it looks to the wider community and try to make the discourse at least marginally healthier. Or at least more in line with the rest of the boards so we don't periodically get people who see GP behavior and mistakenly assume that it's okay across all the boards.
by Roavin » Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:44 pm
Reploid Productions wrote:When Gameplayers get nasty with one another over differences in how they play the game ... it's just the culture and we should give them a pass?
by Solorni » Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:47 pm
by Pergamon » Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:02 pm
G-Tech Corporation wrote:Pergamon wrote:Not that it would matter anymore. The game was more fun when people not only could dish out hard hits but were also able to take em'. Instead we bother the moderation with regular GP banter that nowadays seems to be "mod worthy"? (The hell.) And GP dissolved into one giant pile of whiny kids. Over the increasing tensions in GP, many of the major gameplayers of this age were in a state of constant whine and complaint, I'd spare you the detail of what whiny logs I got to read, for yes, actual IC GP stuff. If this game would share the stern culture of some other major polsims, many of you would've been devoured alive (metaphorically speaking).
IMO, Gameplay is not for everyone. If you cannot stand to take hits, then don't join the battle. I get the idea of civility in GP and the constant fear it dissolves into toxicity and flame al etc. but I honestly think we are going to far with the civility matter. Not the tension of conflict should end, the whining: the whining should end.
Alternative take: R/D should conform to site rules.
Alternative alternative take: R/D should cease to exist if it can't be conducted without falling afoul of the rules
by Reploid Productions » Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:06 pm
Roavin wrote:Meanwhile, Cormac and I are in Discord DM saying "dude nice", because we realize we're playing a game and appreciate each other's skillful use of rhetoric, even if it makes our in-game harder.
[violet] wrote:Maybe we could power our new search engine from the sexual tension between you two.
by Pergamon » Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:25 pm
Reploid Productions wrote:Roavin wrote:Meanwhile, Cormac and I are in Discord DM saying "dude nice", because we realize we're playing a game and appreciate each other's skillful use of rhetoric, even if it makes our in-game harder.
Meanwhile, the appearance to everyone else on-site remains, "Wow, these people are being awful to one another and the mods are letting them get away with it", because the actual sportsmanship and indication that it is just a game and not pure vitriol is not in evidence. Random Joe Nation popping by isn't going to know about the off-sites, the Discords, the behind-the-scenes where folks may be thumping one another on the back saying "GG everybody." They just see the namecalling, the unpleasantness, the factions slinging mud and seemingly at one anothers' throats for serious, and they have no real way to tell that there's a lot more going on backstage. With that as a first impression of the whole, they aren't likely to have any interest in digging deeper to find that knowledge out.
This is really good discussion, we're getting at the real heart of the matter, which isn't simply the specific terminology- that's more a symptom of the bigger sportsmanship (lacking a better shorthand term for the complex not-exactly-IC/not-exactly-OOC system of rivalries and politics that is GP) issue.
by Intelligeneria » Sat Aug 12, 2017 6:35 pm
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