[QUERY] Automated telegrams for embassy collection

[August]

Recently, I have been getting automated telegrams every time I found a new region, requesting embassies on behalf of a certain embassy-collector region. To my knowledge, this is not considered recruitment at present, and the telegrams are not marked as such. However, I think this is a relatively new trend, and it may be worth revisiting the rule. The telegrams do not encourage moving to the source region, but they are automated, unsolicited, and without a doubt promoting one particular region to nations outside that region. My question is, could the telegram recruiting rules be expanded or reinterpreted to include mass embassy-related spam, perhaps by requiring such telegrams to be marked as recruitment for an organization? (Marking as regional recruitment works too, though that would append an unnecessary "Move" button.)

This was the most recent occurrence, taken last night.

[Lenlyvit]

I can confirm what August says. I get them a lot when I found regions for possible R/D Jump Points, and its quite annoying. Seeing as it isn't marked as recruitment or anything else, just API, I can't block them I believe. I think what August references about having it marked as *something* is a good idea.

[Thyerata]

Shouldn't this be in technical?

[Wrapper]

Shouldn't this be in technical?

As of right now, no, the OP is asking for a change in the telegram rules, to force embassy collectors to mark such automated TGs as recruitment.

[Reploid Productions]

Definitely a topic worth moderation discussion. If "Plz gib embassy!" TGs are prevalent enough to be a nuisance, then like the nuisance that is recruiting TGs, users should have the option to filter them out, whether this is accomplished by broadening the recruitment tag to include embassy fishing, or by adding a new filter for embassy TGs.

[August]

Bumping this thread, because I have founded a bunch of regions since July and these ridiculous automated telegrams are still going out. Are they the end of the world? No, but they are just as annoying as recruitment, and I see no real difference between the two.

[USS Monitor]

I managed to totally miss this thread when it was originally posted. We probably should have people tag those TGs somehow.

Edit: raised this for discussion in the secret forum, since it's not something that I can do without a team discussion

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Doesn't the "external" preference option for "mass telegrams of unspecified types" apply here? Assuming anything tag:api is seen as mass, which I assume it is, I always figured that that category was specifically to block things like this that are not recruitment, campaign, or regional, but...well, other untagged mass tg's. Is it really something that needs it's own individual tag/preference setting?

[August]

Doesn't the "external" preference option for "mass telegrams of unspecified types" apply here? Assuming anything tag:api is seen as mass, which I assume it is, I always figured that that category was specifically to block things like this that are not recruitment, campaign, or regional, but...well, other untagged mass tg's. Is it really something that needs it's own individual tag/preference setting?

I want to get mass telegrams. Actually, I want to get all telegrams except recruitment, which should be a broader term than just "move to my region." If I started getting lots of telegrams asking me to put my regions in inter-regional organizations, that should be recruitment too, even if it does not involve moving any nations.

To be clear, I am not asking for any technical changes or new telegram categories, which is why this is in Moderation. It is purely a rule issue.

[Vulturret]

Doesn't the "external" preference option for "mass telegrams of unspecified types" apply here? Assuming anything tag:api is seen as mass, which I assume it is, I always figured that that category was specifically to block things like this that are not recruitment, campaign, or regional, but...well, other untagged mass tg's. Is it really something that needs it's own individual tag/preference setting?

I want to get mass telegrams. Actually, I want to get all telegrams except recruitment, which should be a broader term than just "move to my region." If I started getting lots of telegrams asking me to put my regions in inter-regional organizations, that should be recruitment too, even if it does not involve moving any nations.

To be clear, I am not asking for any technical changes or new telegram categories, which is why this is in Moderation. It is purely a rule issue.

In theory, a new category could be useful, but I get where you're coming from. I, for one, never want to receive either, but I'm sure there are people that are interested in receiving telegrams requesting embassies. I would never want one when I do region founding, but that's mostly for r/d jumpoints and backup regions and things like that, things I don't want embassy telegrams from. However, people that are founding a new region to try and start something useful might want them.

In my experience, people that send these are usually trying to get as many on-site embassies as possible, and I think there should still be a way to do that, BUT not all of us want them. The people doing them are usually not going to do what most gameplayers do and go request embassies via an off-site forum. Good idea, August.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Doesn't the "external" preference option for "mass telegrams of unspecified types" apply here? Assuming anything tag:api is seen as mass, which I assume it is, I always figured that that category was specifically to block things like this that are not recruitment, campaign, or regional, but...well, other untagged mass tg's. Is it really something that needs it's own individual tag/preference setting?

I want to get mass telegrams. Actually, I want to get all telegrams except recruitment, which should be a broader term than just "move to my region." If I started getting lots of telegrams asking me to put my regions in inter-regional organizations, that should be recruitment too, even if it does not involve moving any nations.

To be clear, I am not asking for any technical changes or new telegram categories, which is why this is in Moderation. It is purely a rule issue.

What you want points more towards more filtering options than a rules change. Either a new category, and/or an option to select “all except ___” for existing filters. “Recruitment” is a pretty specific category that, iirc, has largely been defined by staff in the past as asking someone not in your region to move to your region or not in your org to join your org (because there is an option to set recruitment without specifying a region). Asking for embassies is not at all the same thing as recruitment, though. No one is joining anything. It’s diplomacy.

[USS Monitor]

I want to get mass telegrams. Actually, I want to get all telegrams except recruitment, which should be a broader term than just "move to my region." If I started getting lots of telegrams asking me to put my regions in inter-regional organizations, that should be recruitment too, even if it does not involve moving any nations.

To be clear, I am not asking for any technical changes or new telegram categories, which is why this is in Moderation. It is purely a rule issue.

What you want points more towards more filtering options than a rules change. Either a new category, and/or an option to select “all except ___” for existing filters. “Recruitment” is a pretty specific category that, iirc, has largely been defined by staff in the past as asking someone not in your region to move to your region or not in your org to join your org (because there is an option to set recruitment without specifying a region). Asking for embassies is not at all the same thing as recruitment, though. No one is joining anything. It’s diplomacy.

There are a couple of possible ways to handle this. Adding a new filter category is one possibility. We're keeping the thread in Moderation because another possibility would be a rule change without any new features.

[Mallorea and Riva]

How many are you getting?

[USS Monitor]

Doesn't the "external" preference option for "mass telegrams of unspecified types" apply here? Assuming anything tag:api is seen as mass, which I assume it is, I always figured that that category was specifically to block things like this that are not recruitment, campaign, or regional, but...well, other untagged mass tg's. Is it really something that needs it's own individual tag/preference setting?

Based on the screenshot posted by the OP and a conversation that I had with admin, it seems you are correct. These would fall into the "external" category.

At this time we are not going to add a new filter or demand that embassy requests be tagged as "recruitment." Folks who are tired of getting automated embassy requests can use the "external" filter to block them.