[Discussion] Onsite Internal Region Affairs/Management Forum

[Enfaru]

Have you considered expanding RMBs?

Sure, we'd love to see mini-forums or something as RMBs. The difference is that adding a forum can be done by any Senior Mod in about 5 minutes, but building more functionality into the RMB would involve unknown amounts of coding time from [violet].

If something's worth doing, it's worth doing right.

On the whole I think the system works as is and doesn't actually need to be changed. (It's weird being on this side of the fence for a change).

[Frisbeeteria]

If something's worth doing, it's worth doing right.

If you want to wait two or three years for [violet] to have the available time, sure. It might be less, it might be more. We don't control her schedule.

On the other hand, a new forum can be in place in the next two or three days if there's a consensus. That's the only reason so many mods have chimed in here in support.

[USS Monitor]

There are a few of the misc threads like the flag one in GP but they aren't harming anyone as such, and I'm not sure where they'd be moved to.

I would say that if we moved the flag thread it should go to FN&I.

[[violet]]

Have you considered expanding RMBs?

Yes, and it's under active development! I didn't notice this thread before; thanks to Eluvatar for pointing it out to me. I've been working on this for a while. I'm very interested in hearing about new features you'd like to see on RMBs, like threads, being able to sticky posts, etc. Please post such thoughts & ideas in the Technical forum.

[Almonaster Nuevo]

There are a few of the misc threads like the flag one in GP but they aren't harming anyone as such, and I'm not sure where they'd be moved to.

I would say that if we moved the flag thread it should go to FN&I.

I think it might make more sense for all the graphics threads to go in Arts & Fiction, with appropriate links in the stickies elsewhere to direct people.

The various motto clinics could go to F&NI.

[Reploid Productions]

Well, here's one suggestion from backstage for a rejiggering of both the Gameplay and Issues sections:
-National and Regional Gameplaying
-Interregional Gameplay (R/D, non-regional orgs, multi-regional politicking, raid reports, etc)
-Regional Management (The new section for regions to manage their regional organization/constitutions/etc)
-Nation Stats
-Got Issues? (Discussion of issues/stats that are already in-game)
-Issue Drafting (Discussion and work on drafting new issues.)

Reason being is that the "interested in Issues and NS nation stats" slice of the community reaaaaally doesn't have much meaningful overlap with the Gameplayer or "managing a region" slice.

[Aclion]

I would say that if we moved the flag thread it should go to FN&I.

I think it might make more sense for all the graphics threads to go in Arts & Fiction, with appropriate links in the stickies elsewhere to direct people.
The various motto clinics could go to F&NI.

Can we not? It will just make them hard to find.

Well, here's one suggestion from backstage for a rejiggering of both the Gameplay and Issues sections:
-National and Regional Gameplaying
-Interregional Gameplay (R/D, non-regional orgs, multi-regional politicking, raid reports, etc)
-Regional Management (The new section for regions to manage their regional organization/constitutions/etc)
-Nation Stats
-Got Issues? (Discussion of issues/stats that are already in-game)
-Issue Drafting (Discussion and work on drafting new issues.)
Reason being is that the "interested in Issues and NS nation stats" slice of the community reaaaaally doesn't have much meaningful overlap with the Gameplayer or "managing a region" slice.

I notice that National and Regional Gameplaying only has Regional and Interregional Gameplaying under it, not national. Also could Got issues include other OCC nation workshops and stuff?

[Frankland]

Well, here's one suggestion from backstage for a rejiggering of both the Gameplay and Issues sections:
-National and Regional Gameplaying
-Interregional Gameplay (R/D, non-regional orgs, multi-regional politicking, raid reports, etc)
-Regional Management (The new section for regions to manage their regional organization/constitutions/etc)
-Nation Stats
-Got Issues? (Discussion of issues/stats that are already in-game)
-Issue Drafting (Discussion and work on drafting new issues.)

Reason being is that the "interested in Issues and NS nation stats" slice of the community reaaaaally doesn't have much meaningful overlap with the Gameplayer or "managing a region" slice.

Rather than create a whole new category why not throw "Got Issues?" down with technical and moderation? Stat changes of issues end up incorrectly posted in technical half of the time anyway. And drafting a new issue is actually a very small specific suggestion to be hard coded into the game. (I mean keep the forum separate but move it down there.)

[Kyrusia]

I would say that if we moved the flag thread it should go to FN&I.

I think it might make more sense for all the graphics threads to go in Arts & Fiction, with appropriate links in the stickies elsewhere to direct people.

The various motto clinics could go to F&NI.

Designing of maps, flags, etc. constitute a form of worldbuilding, which is directly related to roleplaying if it involves NS countries being used in roleplay. We even have RP Mentors specializing in this form of graphical worldbuilding, and A&F is not a part of their purview (as it is not a roleplaying board). If they're not related to the worldbuilding endeavor for NS countries being used in roleplay, then that's different.

[Aclion]

I think it might make more sense for all the graphics threads to go in Arts & Fiction, with appropriate links in the stickies elsewhere to direct people.

The various motto clinics could go to F&NI.

Designing of maps, flags, etc. constitute a form of worldbuilding, which is directly related to roleplaying if it involves NS countries being used in roleplay. We even have RP Mentors specializing in this form of graphical worldbuilding, and A&F is not a part of their purview (as it is not a roleplaying board). If they're not related to the worldbuilding endeavor for NS countries being used in roleplay, then that's different.

But map, flag etc workshops aren't IC topics. Can they still go in IC subs? Is scared of RP

[Kyrusia]

Designing of maps, flags, etc. constitute a form of worldbuilding, which is directly related to roleplaying if it involves NS countries being used in roleplay. We even have RP Mentors specializing in this form of graphical worldbuilding, and A&F is not a part of their purview (as it is not a roleplaying board). If they're not related to the worldbuilding endeavor for NS countries being used in roleplay, then that's different.

But map, flag etc workshops arn't IC topics. Can they still go in IC subs?

Not every thread on the RP boards is IC, despite what the description implies. They have never been restricted solely to In-Character threads; if they were, the entire history of stickies, help threads, advice and assistance threads, review storefronts, community projects, not to mention every OOC thread for every IC RP would be rendered unacceptable - which is simply not the case. These are topics which are topical to the RP boards, and thus relevant and fine, I feel, where they are.

[Kylia Quilor]

Well, here's one suggestion from backstage for a rejiggering of both the Gameplay and Issues sections:
-National and Regional Gameplaying
-Interregional Gameplay (R/D, non-regional orgs, multi-regional politicking, raid reports, etc)
-Regional Management (The new section for regions to manage their regional organization/constitutions/etc)
-Nation Stats
-Got Issues? (Discussion of issues/stats that are already in-game)
-Issue Drafting (Discussion and work on drafting new issues.)

Reason being is that the "interested in Issues and NS nation stats" slice of the community reaaaaally doesn't have much meaningful overlap with the Gameplayer or "managing a region" slice.

I think that you're not likely to get anywhere near as much sustained business as you think in the RM forum, tbh. Most regions that last will eventually move to more versatile and useful offsite properties (more reliable ways to prevent people from vote-stacking, having 'two citizenships' and other things, for example, and that's just the start) and the rest will no doubt eventually die off and thus leave ghost-town threads behind them.

[Frisbeeteria]

I think that you're not likely to get anywhere near as much sustained business as you think in the RM forum, tbh.

I think you're judging that by current forum activity. I see lots of RMBs on a daily basis, and most of them aren't using the forums at all. I suspect you'd be surprised.

the rest will no doubt eventually die off and thus leave ghost-town threads behind them.

Current Statistics
Total posts 27,239,516 • Total topics 350,478 • Total members 1,053,684
General has over 2200 pages of topics and II has 2600+ pages, but almost everyone posts on the front two pages. I think I can safely say that we're not all that concerned about ghost threads.

[Kylia Quilor]

I think that you're not likely to get anywhere near as much sustained business as you think in the RM forum, tbh.

I think you're judging that by current forum activity. I see lots of RMBs on a daily basis, and most of them aren't using the forums at all. I suspect you'd be surprised.

the rest will no doubt eventually die off and thus leave ghost-town threads behind them.

Current Statistics
Total posts 27,239,516 • Total topics 350,478 • Total members 1,053,684
General has over 2200 pages of topics and II has 2600+ pages, but almost everyone posts on the front two pages. I think I can safely say that we're not all that concerned about ghost threads.

I'm aware they're not using the forums. but they're not going to just leap to RM for that reason.

[Escade]

I mean one feature that I love with the new polls is the opportunity to restrict voting to WA or other variations of influence\time. More finessing with that would actually be great (such as being able to choose which nations).

I think if regions could have control over who could post in certain threads (let's say created by ROs or delegates or whatever) then that would help smaller regions actually function on-site without having to worry about randoms trying to let's say vote in an election.

Need to think more about this but seems interesting.

[Kylia Quilor]

I mean one feature that I love with the new polls is the opportunity to restrict voting to WA or other variations of influence\time. More finessing with that would actually be great (such as being able to choose which nations).

I think if regions could have control over who could post in certain threads (let's say created by ROs or delegates or whatever) then that would help smaller regions actually function on-site without having to worry about randoms trying to let's say vote in an election.

Need to think more about this but seems interesting.

Still be pretty easy for someone to bring in a bunch of friends and have them vote if its based on WA nations.

Influence based could work, though since the Forums and the Gameside run not entirely on the same code, might be undoable.

[Eluvatar]

I imagine you meant impractical, and not reversible, by undoable?

[Celebrimbor]

I really like the idea of RMBs that allow more functions, but a major weakness of using the RMBs for anything permanent or complicated is that if you're raided, the raider delegate and their officers can mess them up. (In my region, raiders once suppressed something like 20 pages of RMB posts just for the hell of it, and I had to go through and unsuppress them one by one.) Will there be any protection for that?

[USS Monitor]

I really like the idea of RMBs that allow more functions, but a major weakness of using the RMBs for anything permanent or complicated is that if you're raided, the raider delegate and their officers can mess them up. (In my region, raiders once suppressed something like 20 pages of RMB posts just for the hell of it, and I had to go through and unsuppress them one by one.) Will there be any protection for that?

If I had to guess, I would say no, but at this stage it's hard to say for sure how things will end up. The new RMB features are still in the early stages of being discussed and developed.

[Kylia Quilor]

I imagine you meant impractical, and not reversible, by undoable?

Correct. Though since I don't know how the gameside and forums interact on a coding level, I really can't say for sure.

[Consular]

Well, here's one suggestion from backstage for a rejiggering of both the Gameplay and Issues sections:
-National and Regional Gameplaying
-Interregional Gameplay (R/D, non-regional orgs, multi-regional politicking, raid reports, etc)
-Regional Management (The new section for regions to manage their regional organization/constitutions/etc)
-Nation Stats
-Got Issues? (Discussion of issues/stats that are already in-game)
-Issue Drafting (Discussion and work on drafting new issues.)

Reason being is that the "interested in Issues and NS nation stats" slice of the community reaaaaally doesn't have much meaningful overlap with the Gameplayer or "managing a region" slice.

I don't have it in me to do a full thinking about this right now but I think that looks great as an initial impression.

[Flanderlion]

Well, here's one suggestion from backstage for a rejiggering of both the Gameplay and Issues sections:
-National and Regional Gameplaying
-Interregional Gameplay (R/D, non-regional orgs, multi-regional politicking, raid reports, etc)
-Regional Management (The new section for regions to manage their regional organization/constitutions/etc)
-Nation Stats
-Got Issues? (Discussion of issues/stats that are already in-game)
-Issue Drafting (Discussion and work on drafting new issues.)

Reason being is that the "interested in Issues and NS nation stats" slice of the community reaaaaally doesn't have much meaningful overlap with the Gameplayer or "managing a region" slice.

Even better - Although why does the title need the national part? Wouldn't the national parts belong in the nation stats part? Simplify the names as much as possible so newer players see that one is for regions and the other is for their nation.

[Luziyca]

Well, here's one suggestion from backstage for a rejiggering of both the Gameplay and Issues sections:
-National and Regional Gameplaying
-Interregional Gameplay (R/D, non-regional orgs, multi-regional politicking, raid reports, etc)
-Regional Management (The new section for regions to manage their regional organization/constitutions/etc)
-Nation Stats
-Got Issues? (Discussion of issues/stats that are already in-game)
-Issue Drafting (Discussion and work on drafting new issues.)

Reason being is that the "interested in Issues and NS nation stats" slice of the community reaaaaally doesn't have much meaningful overlap with the Gameplayer or "managing a region" slice.

I'd simplify to "Regional Gameplaying" and "Nation Stats," but otherwise, your suggestion is quite good, Reppy.

[Reploid Productions]

Title suggestions are of course very malleable, so don't take my suggested titles for gospel.

[Drasnia]

Nation Management perhaps for the issue stuff?