by Torrocca » Sun Dec 11, 2016 8:47 am
by USS Monitor » Sun Dec 11, 2016 12:25 pm
by Arkadacia » Sun Dec 11, 2016 2:36 pm
by USS Monitor » Sun Dec 11, 2016 2:50 pm
Arkadacia wrote:I'd like to bring up that a decent amount of players haven't been bothering with Ram's Head (particularly my group) because they dislike being around the "chill threaders". We're not compatible as RPers, we don't particularly enjoy being around them, and being crammed into a thread with them is like the creative equivalent of being put in a hydraulic press for us. Forcing a community as divided and decently diverse as F7 into a hole wasn't going to end well but at the beginning I tried to be optimistic.
Here's my suggestion for the future of F7 and trying to keep my players from being screwed over by the actions of a bunch of overly horny tweens, you may listen to them, you may not (I'm putting my money on this one, and seeing as there's a rather long history of mass punishment in F7 this frankly wouldn't surprise me). Just don't let shitty OPs run a thread. If their players repeatedly get into trouble and the OP doesn't (A. Kick the offending player(s) or (B. Attempt to punish the offending player(s), and if they fail to punish them on a frequent basis, tell the OP they can't run a thread anymore because they've clearly squandered the privilege they were given. Punish the source of the problem instead of nuking the entire bloody neighborhood and I assure you it CAN go away. Make sure people appoint responsible co-OPs to take care of the threads while they're gone, if you want to say they can't watch the threads 24/7.
I get there's a million different reasons to tell me to bugger off with an idea like that but I've yet to see anything besides 'just cram them into one thread and expect them to get along' and 'eh who cares about the people who had nothing to do with the typefucking just ban all threads of the sort'. Take the idea into consideration and mull it over a tad, you may just like it.
by Arkadacia » Sun Dec 11, 2016 2:52 pm
USS Monitor wrote:Arkadacia wrote:I'd like to bring up that a decent amount of players haven't been bothering with Ram's Head (particularly my group) because they dislike being around the "chill threaders". We're not compatible as RPers, we don't particularly enjoy being around them, and being crammed into a thread with them is like the creative equivalent of being put in a hydraulic press for us. Forcing a community as divided and decently diverse as F7 into a hole wasn't going to end well but at the beginning I tried to be optimistic.
Here's my suggestion for the future of F7 and trying to keep my players from being screwed over by the actions of a bunch of overly horny tweens, you may listen to them, you may not (I'm putting my money on this one, and seeing as there's a rather long history of mass punishment in F7 this frankly wouldn't surprise me). Just don't let shitty OPs run a thread. If their players repeatedly get into trouble and the OP doesn't (A. Kick the offending player(s) or (B. Attempt to punish the offending player(s), and if they fail to punish them on a frequent basis, tell the OP they can't run a thread anymore because they've clearly squandered the privilege they were given. Punish the source of the problem instead of nuking the entire bloody neighborhood and I assure you it CAN go away. Make sure people appoint responsible co-OPs to take care of the threads while they're gone, if you want to say they can't watch the threads 24/7.
I get there's a million different reasons to tell me to bugger off with an idea like that but I've yet to see anything besides 'just cram them into one thread and expect them to get along' and 'eh who cares about the people who had nothing to do with the typefucking just ban all threads of the sort'. Take the idea into consideration and mull it over a tad, you may just like it.
This would involve keeping track of which players have had their C/CL hosting privileges revoked. That sounds like a lot of hassle for something that I am not sure if it would be effective or not.
by USS Monitor » Sun Dec 11, 2016 3:23 pm
Arkadacia wrote:USS Monitor wrote:
This would involve keeping track of which players have had their C/CL hosting privileges revoked. That sounds like a lot of hassle for something that I am not sure if it would be effective or not.
It would practically be as easy as making a .txt file or a google doc / onenote / however you prefer to share documents and putting their names and the names of their puppets in there. Hell, I could even manage that if you so desired.
Besides, as I said afterwards, I haven't seen any better / more fair ideas. When I do, I'll be on board.
by Luziyca » Sun Dec 11, 2016 3:29 pm
by Arkadacia » Sun Dec 11, 2016 3:36 pm
USS Monitor wrote:Arkadacia wrote:It would practically be as easy as making a .txt file or a google doc / onenote / however you prefer to share documents and putting their names and the names of their puppets in there. Hell, I could even manage that if you so desired.
Besides, as I said afterwards, I haven't seen any better / more fair ideas. When I do, I'll be on board.
Even if you managed such a list -- which we're not going to have you do -- I'm honestly not sure how that would help because we'd still have to tell you when to update the list and there'd still be the issue of enforcing it once someone is on the list. We're not going to go check names against a list every time someone posts a thread in F7.
I can think of better ways to keep records of who is allowed to OP and who isn't, but it would still be a lot of work for an uncertain amount of benefit and not terribly easy to enforce.
Luziyca wrote:I think considering F7's history when it comes to these threads, they do not deserve a third chance to have a chat/location thread free-for-all. I am okay with the Ram's Head, and perhaps in the future, there could be a second mod-managed thread for those who don't want to just chill. That said, I do not see the point of lifting that moratorium on player-managed threads when all we will end up with is a permanent ban on these threads a few years from now because F7 denizens have abused their privileges. Better safe than sorry.
by Frisbeeteria » Sun Dec 11, 2016 3:55 pm
Arkadacia wrote:A google doc / onenote can be edited and maintained by multiple people at once, so people would easily be able to just add names to the list when needed.
by Arkadacia » Sun Dec 11, 2016 3:58 pm
Frisbeeteria wrote:Arkadacia wrote:A google doc / onenote can be edited and maintained by multiple people at once, so people would easily be able to just add names to the list when needed.
Speaking as a Senior Game Moderator for the entire team, I can promise you that we will not be doing any moderation work via Google Docs (or any similar service), whether open or closed. All moderation actions on this site are permanently logged on this site, and putting it offsite removes that protection.
There need be no further discussion on the merits of this aspect of the topic. Case closed.
Carry on.
by Frisbeeteria » Sun Dec 11, 2016 4:03 pm
Arkadacia wrote:Regardless, it's far simpler than it's been made out to be.
by Torrocca » Sun Dec 11, 2016 4:08 pm
USS Monitor wrote:There has been a little internal discussion about this, but I don't think we had a definite decision on the future of chat threads. AFAIK, the plan is to leave the Ram's Head for a while until we settle on a more permanent decision. There's no particular rush about it. While many posters in the Ram's Head have been well-behaved, a few have not, and there are still some concerns about what will happen if we open up a chat thread free for fall.
I don't see a problem with having this discussion thread. If people have input they want to post, they can do so.
by Chrinthanium » Sun Dec 11, 2016 5:11 pm
by Arkadacia » Sun Dec 11, 2016 5:23 pm
Chrinthanium wrote:As someone who used to frequent F7 back in the day, as someone who used to frequent the user-created location threads, and as someone who used to visit the Flaming Wombat.... I'm in favor of continuing the moratorium on these thread in F7. I would be in favor of a complete and permanent ban on these threads with only the Ram's Head being the mod-sanctioned chat thread in F7. We have a single chat thread in General that works quite well as far as I can see. There's no reason to reopen that Pandora's box in F7 again.
by G-Tech Corporation » Sun Dec 11, 2016 5:27 pm
Arkadacia wrote:Chrinthanium wrote:As someone who used to frequent F7 back in the day, as someone who used to frequent the user-created location threads, and as someone who used to visit the Flaming Wombat.... I'm in favor of continuing the moratorium on these thread in F7. I would be in favor of a complete and permanent ban on these threads with only the Ram's Head being the mod-sanctioned chat thread in F7. We have a single chat thread in General that works quite well as far as I can see. There's no reason to reopen that Pandora's box in F7 again.
I'm on the way out but I want you to make a real quick comparison with the Liquid Wallaby's later threads to the posters in the Ram's Head. You're combining competent RPers with gunk that'd be considered spam in any other RP. The communities aren't compatible, and forcing them into a single thread is a poor idea that's going to result in one community being obliterated. But I get it, not your problem.
by Arkadacia » Sun Dec 11, 2016 5:31 pm
G-Tech Corporation wrote:Arkadacia wrote:I'm on the way out but I want you to make a real quick comparison with the Liquid Wallaby's later threads to the posters in the Ram's Head. You're combining competent RPers with gunk that'd be considered spam in any other RP. The communities aren't compatible, and forcing them into a single thread is a poor idea that's going to result in one community being obliterated. But I get it, not your problem.
Moderation is not saying C/CLT is banned permanently- don't mistake the opinions of posters for that of the overarching community, nor those of the Powers that Be, TNEL. Fris is merely suggesting that you come up with a different idea for policing C/CLT in F7 than something that is very time intensive for the Moderation team. The idea you proposed has been regarded as entirely a non-starter, which is fine. I'm sure you have other better ideas knocking about.
by Reploid Productions » Sun Dec 11, 2016 6:10 pm
Arkadacia wrote:I'm on the way out but I want you to make a real quick comparison with the Liquid Wallaby's later threads to the posters in the Ram's Head. You're combining competent RPers with gunk that'd be considered spam in any other RP. The communities aren't compatible, and forcing them into a single thread is a poor idea that's going to result in one community being obliterated. But I get it, not your problem.
Arkadacia wrote:I've not seen anyone else come forth with an idea, as such it's my only one. To assume that just allowing threads back after a certain time will turn out fine is hopelessly naive but at the same time I'm not exactly going to be at home in a mod-forced thread like the Ram's Head because I dislike the chill threaders, and they dislike me even more than I dislike them. It's a catch 22. No good solutions, only slightly less awful ones.
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by Ava Ire » Sun Dec 11, 2016 6:38 pm
Arkadacia wrote:G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Moderation is not saying C/CLT is banned permanently- don't mistake the opinions of posters for that of the overarching community, nor those of the Powers that Be, TNEL. Fris is merely suggesting that you come up with a different idea for policing C/CLT in F7 than something that is very time intensive for the Moderation team. The idea you proposed has been regarded as entirely a non-starter, which is fine. I'm sure you have other better ideas knocking about.
I've not seen anyone else come forth with an idea, as such it's my only one. To assume that just allowing threads back after a certain time will turn out fine is hopelessly naive but at the same time I'm not exactly going to be at home in a mod-forced thread like the Ram's Head because I dislike the chill threaders, and they dislike me even more than I dislike them. It's a catch 22. No good solutions, only slightly less awful ones.
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by Luziyca » Sun Dec 11, 2016 6:43 pm
Arkadacia wrote:G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Moderation is not saying C/CLT is banned permanently- don't mistake the opinions of posters for that of the overarching community, nor those of the Powers that Be, TNEL. Fris is merely suggesting that you come up with a different idea for policing C/CLT in F7 than something that is very time intensive for the Moderation team. The idea you proposed has been regarded as entirely a non-starter, which is fine. I'm sure you have other better ideas knocking about.
I've not seen anyone else come forth with an idea, as such it's my only one. To assume that just allowing threads back after a certain time will turn out fine is hopelessly naive but at the same time I'm not exactly going to be at home in a mod-forced thread like the Ram's Head because I dislike the chill threaders, and they dislike me even more than I dislike them. It's a catch 22. No good solutions, only slightly less awful ones.
by Arkadacia » Sun Dec 11, 2016 6:45 pm
Torrocca wrote:USS Monitor wrote:There has been a little internal discussion about this, but I don't think we had a definite decision on the future of chat threads. AFAIK, the plan is to leave the Ram's Head for a while until we settle on a more permanent decision. There's no particular rush about it. While many posters in the Ram's Head have been well-behaved, a few have not, and there are still some concerns about what will happen if we open up a chat thread free for fall.
I don't see a problem with having this discussion thread. If people have input they want to post, they can do so.
Considering not all C/CLT threads have been the same (some more serious, some more 'fun'), would it be alright to add to the number of given threads a bit and 'diversify' the aspects of them? Some of the RPers in the F7 realm (myself, for an example) don't necessarily have the time to commit to a full-fledged, multi-paragraph RP, but do like to have a more 'serious' aspect to the C/CLT threads than others who prefer simple, one word posts ("Exist!" comes to mind), or basic posts that are basically standing on the line between OOC and IC, both of which are the current, primary modes of RP going on in the second Ram's Head thread. It'd not only be a nice bit of diversification (some people don't necessarily want to RP with the "Exist!" folks, or vice-versa, I'd assume), but I feel like it'd help figure out which of the two major offshoots of C/CLT threads have the more problematic issues.
by Barboneia » Sun Dec 11, 2016 6:45 pm
Ava Ire wrote:Arkadacia wrote:I've not seen anyone else come forth with an idea, as such it's my only one. To assume that just allowing threads back after a certain time will turn out fine is hopelessly naive but at the same time I'm not exactly going to be at home in a mod-forced thread like the Ram's Head because I dislike the chill threaders, and they dislike me even more than I dislike them. It's a catch 22. No good solutions, only slightly less awful ones.
Well, I think Torr's idea is a fairly okay one. Maybe we should consider opening another mod-sanctioned roleplaying thread in F7, but oriented around the Location Thread style as opposed to a Chill/Chat thread style.
by Luziyca » Sun Dec 11, 2016 6:52 pm
Arkadacia wrote:The 'better than them' attitude is not what started this moratorium, the constant cybersexing on the """chill threads""" is. I barely said a word in public mocking them until the debacle began. And ignoring the fact that there's a rather massive and blatantly obvious divide between groups isn't helping matters at all. We don't like one another (or outright hate one another), we're not compatible as players, and thinking that cramming us in the same thread and magically expecting things to improve is an idea that's utterly hopeless.
by Frisbeeteria » Sun Dec 11, 2016 7:16 pm
Barboneia wrote:Or we should just give up, because the moderators obviously don't care what we think and trying to salvage any semblance of options at this point would be useless.
by Torrocca » Sun Dec 11, 2016 7:17 pm
by Kyrusia » Sun Dec 11, 2016 7:39 pm
Torrocca wrote:I mean, probably the best solution is mutually beneficial cooperation between the two divisions of the C/CLT threads that also keeps moderator intervention in the current Ram's Head at an absolute minimum, if my other suggested compromise isn't going to be considered.
Kyrusia wrote:The purpose of this single, Mod-sanctioned thread is simple: this will provide players an avenue to demonstrate they are capable of coalescing as a community, are willing to engage in community policing ("Might want to tone that down a bit, Examplestan."), are unwilling to abide or tolerate rule-violating behavior, and are willing to report offending material. Players may file a Getting Help Request if they wish to maintain their confidentiality; please review the guide to making an effective GHR.
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