[discussion] pronoun silliness

[Grenartia]

To be entirely fair, the people who care most about pronouns will actually display their PGP in their sig.

While I support calling folks by the pronoun they present as, I and others do not read sigs.

You said, while ironically sporting a sig.

[Amadel]

I understand and respect the rules and moderators -- or atleast i try to -- but this pronoun thing is ridiculous.

I mean, i use male pronouns generally to refer to anyone, unless they have an obviously female name.

I can't imagine i would get in trouble because i forgot somebody's pronoun or was required to use a specific pronoun just because someone prefers it? It seems silly.

must i compile a list of all users and their preferred pronouns lest i run afoul of that rule?

God knows i'll remember today and forget tomorrow. It's rather ridiculous and unwieldy an expectation.

I've been referred to as 'ma'am' or 'her', but i am comfortable with who i am, so i do not expect others who can not see me to assume my gender and conform to my preferred pronouns.

Why does such a rule exist? Why such an insistence on it? I've never been on a site before that had pronoun requirements.

Infact, i don't think i've ever been on a site where someone cared enough about pronouns to begin with, now that i think of it.

I would use preferred pronouns out of respect, because i'm not a dick, but requiring it under the rules seems ridiculous. Banning or red texting someone because they didn't use or forgot to use a preferred pronoun seems silly.

NationStates is infested with 3rd wave feminists, SJWs and trans-trenders. Hence, why you never encountered this rule before, yet you have here. You'll have to conform, otherwise draw the fat end of a stick.

[Ethel mermania]

While I support calling folks by the pronoun they present as, I and others do not read sigs.

You said, while ironically sporting a sig.

You are not required to read it

[The Horror Channel]

I understand and respect the rules and moderators -- or atleast i try to -- but this pronoun thing is ridiculous.

I mean, i use male pronouns generally to refer to anyone, unless they have an obviously female name.

I can't imagine i would get in trouble because i forgot somebody's pronoun or was required to use a specific pronoun just because someone prefers it? It seems silly.

must i compile a list of all users and their preferred pronouns lest i run afoul of that rule?

God knows i'll remember today and forget tomorrow. It's rather ridiculous and unwieldy an expectation.

I've been referred to as 'ma'am' or 'her', but i am comfortable with who i am, so i do not expect others who can not see me to assume my gender and conform to my preferred pronouns.

Why does such a rule exist? Why such an insistence on it? I've never been on a site before that had pronoun requirements.

Infact, i don't think i've ever been on a site where someone cared enough about pronouns to begin with, now that i think of it.

I would use preferred pronouns out of respect, because i'm not a dick, but requiring it under the rules seems ridiculous. Banning or red texting someone because they didn't use or forgot to use a preferred pronoun seems silly.

NationStates is infested with 3rd wave feminists, SJWs and trans-trenders. Hence, why you never encountered this rule before, yet you have here. You'll have to conform, otherwise draw the fat end of a stick.

Sort of a tumblr-lite, if you will.

[Grenartia]

I understand and respect the rules and moderators -- or atleast i try to -- but this pronoun thing is ridiculous.

I mean, i use male pronouns generally to refer to anyone, unless they have an obviously female name.

I can't imagine i would get in trouble because i forgot somebody's pronoun or was required to use a specific pronoun just because someone prefers it? It seems silly.

must i compile a list of all users and their preferred pronouns lest i run afoul of that rule?

God knows i'll remember today and forget tomorrow. It's rather ridiculous and unwieldy an expectation.

I've been referred to as 'ma'am' or 'her', but i am comfortable with who i am, so i do not expect others who can not see me to assume my gender and conform to my preferred pronouns.

Why does such a rule exist? Why such an insistence on it? I've never been on a site before that had pronoun requirements.

Infact, i don't think i've ever been on a site where someone cared enough about pronouns to begin with, now that i think of it.

I would use preferred pronouns out of respect, because i'm not a dick, but requiring it under the rules seems ridiculous. Banning or red texting someone because they didn't use or forgot to use a preferred pronoun seems silly.

NationStates is infested with 3rd wave feminists, SJWs and trans-trenders. Hence, why you never encountered this rule before, yet you have here. You'll have to conform, otherwise draw the fat end of a stick.

Really? Because everywhere I look, I see the opposite. Fedora-sporting MRAs, tryharding edgelords, and trans-bashers.

[Lysset]

I understand and respect the rules and moderators -- or atleast i try to -- but this pronoun thing is ridiculous.

I mean, i use male pronouns generally to refer to anyone, unless they have an obviously female name.

I can't imagine i would get in trouble because i forgot somebody's pronoun or was required to use a specific pronoun just because someone prefers it? It seems silly.

must i compile a list of all users and their preferred pronouns lest i run afoul of that rule?

God knows i'll remember today and forget tomorrow. It's rather ridiculous and unwieldy an expectation.

I've been referred to as 'ma'am' or 'her', but i am comfortable with who i am, so i do not expect others who can not see me to assume my gender and conform to my preferred pronouns.

Why does such a rule exist? Why such an insistence on it? I've never been on a site before that had pronoun requirements.

Infact, i don't think i've ever been on a site where someone cared enough about pronouns to begin with, now that i think of it.

I would use preferred pronouns out of respect, because i'm not a dick, but requiring it under the rules seems ridiculous. Banning or red texting someone because they didn't use or forgot to use a preferred pronoun seems silly.

NationStates is infested with 3rd wave feminists, SJWs and trans-trenders. Hence, why you never encountered this rule before, yet you have here. You'll have to conform, otherwise draw the fat end of a stick.

No, no it's not.

It's commanded by Moderators who want to keep things civil and thus have a comprehensive set of rules that keep trouble-makers from being able to get away with their poor behavior scot-free. If you don't like that, you can find a place that better fits your needs; that offer has always stood there. The misgendering rule is not trying to force conformity, as you seem to be implying - rather, it's designed to combat those who know what someone else's preferred pronoun is and choose to ignore it because "screw what they want!" Can you argue that transgender doesn't exist? Yes; to say "no" wouldn't be conclusive to good debate. But you can do so while maintaining a modicum of respect toward someone's preferred gender.

Also: "Trans-trender"? REALLY? That's low, man.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

NationStates is infested with 3rd wave feminists, SJWs and trans-trenders. Hence, why you never encountered this rule before, yet you have here. You'll have to conform, otherwise draw the fat end of a stick.

What?

We have all kinds of people from all political ends of the spectrum here.

Also, compared to other places where I've personally been (and no, I don't mean 4chan, bunch of pathetic little babies those are) this is a more rigid forum when it comes to rules, yes, but it's not bad if the purpose is to facilitate discussion of topics without devolving into name-calling -- which, as someone who has been in unmoderated places and places with lax moderation can tell you, this is rather prone to happen without rigid rules.

I know most people are used to forums that are like 4chan in nature, but I abandoned those after my 21st birthday after stirring so much shit and getting bored by the same type of people making the same type of insults over and over. NSG gets boring from time to time, but at the very least it doesn't devolve into a bunch of 13 year olds calling each others "poopy heads" and expecting that's that God damn funny.

I mean, if you feel like you have a grievance over the "over-ruled" nature of this website, I too have an equally valid opinion, and look down, upon people who feel like brainfarts are all that funny.

[Imperial Union of America]

NationStates is infested with 3rd wave feminists, SJWs and trans-trenders. Hence, why you never encountered this rule before, yet you have here. You'll have to conform, otherwise draw the fat end of a stick.

No, no it's not.

It's commanded by Moderators who want to keep things civil and thus have a comprehensive set of rules that keep trouble-makers from being able to get away with their poor behavior scot-free. If you don't like that, you can find a place that better fits your needs; that offer has always stood there. The misgendering rule is not trying to force conformity, as you seem to be implying - rather, it's designed to combat those who know what someone else's preferred pronoun is and choose to ignore it because "screw what they want!" Can you argue that transgender doesn't exist? Yes; to say "no" wouldn't be conclusive to good debate. But you can do so while maintaining a modicum of respect toward someone's preferred gender.

Also: "Trans-trender"? [b]REALLY? That's low, man.[/b]

Showing respect towards someone's 'preferred gender' is basically requiring people to agree with the premise that transsexualism is legitimate in the first place.

Secondly, I think he's insinuating that most transgender people here aren't really trans/genderfluid or whatever, but just following a trend.

Also, i dislike the term 'preferred gender' even though i may use it from time to time. Because that insinuates that a gender is someone you can prefer, instead of something you can't control and given to you by God based on your physical sexual attributes when you are born.

[USS Monitor]

NationStates is infested with 3rd wave feminists, SJWs and trans-trenders. Hence, why you never encountered this rule before, yet you have here. You'll have to conform, otherwise draw the fat end of a stick.

What?

We have all kinds of people from all political ends of the spectrum here.

Also, compared to other places where I've personally been (and no, I don't mean 4chan, bunch of pathetic little babies those are) this is a more rigid forum when it comes to rules, yes, but it's not bad if the purpose is to facilitate discussion of topics without devolving into name-calling -- which, as someone who has been in unmoderated places and places with lax moderation can tell you, this is rather prone to happen without rigid rules.

I know most people are used to forums that are like 4chan in nature, but I abandoned those after my 21st birthday after stirring so much shit and getting bored by the same type of people making the same type of insults over and over. NSG gets boring from time to time, but at the very least it doesn't devolve into a bunch of 13 year olds calling each others "poopy heads" and expecting that's that God damn funny.

I mean, if you feel like you have a grievance over the "over-ruled" nature of this website, I too have an equally valid opinion, and look down, upon people who feel like brainfarts are all that funny.

No, no, clearly the mods are oppressing you. Giving mod powers to a Union warship is obviously violating the South's states' rights. As a Texan, you should be very offended.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Showing respect towards someone's 'preferred gender' is basically requiring people to agree with the premise that transsexualism is legitimate in the first place.

Secondly, I think he's insinuating that most transgender people here aren't really trans/genderfluid or whatever, but just following a trend.

Also, i dislike the term 'preferred gender' even though i may use it from time to time. Because that insinuates that a gender is someone you can prefer, instead of something you can't control and given to you by God based on your sexual attributes when you are born.

I don't particularly feel that way about disagreement with a transgender person about transgenderism.

The way I see it is that disagreement while being respectful is fine. I mean, I don't agree with people in this site who are racist with their racist ideas, but you don't see me trying to peg them as a Nazi or members of the KKK every opportunity I get just because I feel like it.

[Linux and the X]

Showing respect towards someone's 'preferred gender' is basically requiring people to agree with the premise that transsexualism is legitimate in the first place.

Aww, the poor dears.

[Imperial Union of America]

Showing respect towards someone's 'preferred gender' is basically requiring people to agree with the premise that transsexualism is legitimate in the first place.

Aww, the poor dears.

You and i have a lot in common. I myself am a fascist. It's just too bad we're on opposite ends of the spectrum.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

No, no, clearly the mods are oppressing you. Giving mod powers to a Union warship is obviously violating the South's states' rights. As a Texan, you should be very offended.

You know what? You're right. This mod promotion of a warship is yet another insult to the Confederacy.

Can the Union not find a bottom end to all this injurious mockery?

[Imperial Union of America]

No, no, clearly the mods are oppressing you. Giving mod powers to a Union warship is obviously violating the South's states' rights. As a Texan, you should be very offended.

You know what? You're right. This mod promotion of a warship is yet another insult to the Confederacy.

Can the Union not find a bottom end to all this injurious mockery?

Are there any mods of African ancestry? I'm sure the confederates are mighty up in arms if there are black people lording over them. Jefferson Davis told us this would happen!

We're all slaves to max's dictates, so i guess that makes up for it.

[USS Monitor]

No, no, clearly the mods are oppressing you. Giving mod powers to a Union warship is obviously violating the South's states' rights. As a Texan, you should be very offended.

You know what? You're right. This mod promotion of a warship is yet another insult to the Confederacy.

Can the Union not find a bottom end to all this injurious mockery?

I dunno... Most of our boys in blue are more interested in finding the bottom end of a pretty Southern belle.

[Valystria]

If a poster is merely pretending to be transgender and demanding specific pronouns while not actually identifying as such, do the rules still apply to them? If so, it certainly seems like this rule can easily be abused as a form of persistent trolling.

[Imperial Union of America]

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Flaming and impersonating a mod. I'd report you but I don't think it's necessary since you're in moderation. Get wrecked.

[Greater Orensta]

Flaming and impersonating a mod. I'd report you but I don't think it'd necessary since you're in moderation. Get wrecked.

Lol. It doesn't even matter XD

Hail.... something. I dunno. Chaos?

It matters when you are disrupting an actual debate

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Imperial, can you please snip out his post from your response?

It makes work harder for mods having to delete links if someone quotes the offending links.

[Imperial Union of America]

Imperial, can you please snip out his post from your response?

It makes work harder for mods having to delete links if someone quotes the offending links.

You're right.

[Greater Orensta]

It matters when you are disrupting an actual debate

Reports are popping up, Your nation shall be gone soon, Not like I or anyone else has to worry

[Dalviric UIA]

Reports are popping up, Your nation shall be gone soon, Not like I or anyone else has to worry

He isn't even good at trolling
Like
Seriously

[Greater Orensta]

Reports are popping up, Your nation shall be gone soon, Not like I or anyone else has to worry

He isn't even good at trolling
Like
Seriously

Exactly

[Imperial Union of America]

Let's just ignore him and get back on topic.

[Greater Orensta]

Let's just ignore him and get back on topic.

Call people what they wish to be called so it doesn't become an argument, I want people to express their opinion how they want, pro or anti trans they have the right.