GA Proposal Question (references to non-WA nations)

[Mousebumples]

Is it legal to reference allowances to non-WA member nations in GA proposals?

For example, if an organization/etc. is created by the WA with a proposal (i.e. the ULC in my proposal that is currently queued), would it be legal to specify that non-WA member nations could join/participate in aforementioned organization/committee? And, if so, would it be legal to specify that they may be subject to a fee for their participation?

The argument that has been provided against (as best as I can understand) stems from the fact that the WA does not have jurisdiction to govern/regulate non-WA nations. While I understand that, I am of the opinion that should a non-WA nation elect to participate in a given committee/organization, they are agreeing to subject themselves to the relevant WA regulations in that regard.

Clearly this will not be edited into the ULC proposal, but that example seems to be the most concrete - especially since the original UN proposal did reference non-UN nations. However, since there seems to be some disagreement on the boards as to whether or not this would be legal. (with regards to the ULC and other proposals), I'd appreciate a ruling at your earliest convenience. (for whatever it's worth, the current question is arising re: the spreading of drug research/information)

Many thanks,

[The Most Glorious Hack]

I'm pretty sure that's happened before, where non-WA (then UN, I think) were allowed to participate and voluntarily restrict themselves. One of the regulars probably remembers better than I.

[Mousebumples]

I'm pretty sure that's happened before, where non-WA (then UN, I think) were allowed to participate and voluntarily restrict themselves. One of the regulars probably remembers better than I.

I know that I did it in the original UN ULC (Historical Resolution #97) - GIVES each UN member nation and non-UN member nation the opportunity to participate and be a member of the ULC.

During the draft discussion on that proposal, I was informed that it was likely illegal under WA law, so I excised it from the proposal I later submitted to the WA for consideration. I have since had others question the aforementioned legality, so I was looking for an official verdict.

Many thanks for your assistance, The Most Glorious Hack.

[Bears Armed]

I'm pretty sure that's happened before, where non-WA (then UN, I think) were allowed to participate and voluntarily restrict themselves. One of the regulars probably remembers better than I.

NSUN Resolution #148, 'Meteorological Cooperation'.

[JURISDICTIONS]

To give my personal opinion,

The legal thinking behind this is a good piece of legal maneuvering. The WA may only effect nations who choose to be a part of the WA, such as becoming a member. Being a part of the WA without being a member, i believe is OK, because that means that any decision of the WA does not affect the nation. So, if a non-WA is on the committee (which it really won't be, because of those spirit forms that the WA summons for the committees) He/she would be objective because they are not affected by the decision that they make.

*MODS please tell me what you think of my evaluation*

JURIS

[Krioval]

To give my personal opinion,

The legal thinking behind this is a good piece of legal maneuvering. The WA may only effect nations who choose to be a part of the WA, such as becoming a member. Being a part of the WA without being a member, i believe is OK, because that means that any decision of the WA does not affect the nation. So, if a non-WA is on the committee (which it really won't be, because of those spirit forms that the WA summons for the committees) He/she would be objective because they are not affected by the decision that they make.

*MODS please tell me what you think of my evaluation*

JURIS

I'm not a mod, but nations don't actually serve on committees established by the WA. Convention calls for impartial gnomes (completely fair and incorruptible) to form the body of a committee and to perform its tasks.

[JURISDICTIONS]

Thanks for that....i could not remember what they where called......(I think it would be cool to be on a committee though)

[Enn]

Thanks for that....i could not remember what they where called......(I think it would be cool to be on a committee though)

It was tried in the past, with the Pretenama Panel. Really didn't work.

[Mousebumples]

Thanks for that....i could not remember what they where called......(I think it would be cool to be on a committee though)

Depending on the makeup of your region, there may be regional committees (or a regional government, which is sorta like a committee) that you could serve on ...

Additionally, I've heard rumblings that some WA resolutions (and therefore committees) are RP'd as a part of NS. After passing the ULC resolution as a part of the UN, I received an invitation to participate in such an event on an off-site forum. I didn't have the time at that point to participate, but if you want to "be on a committee" (in a completely unofficial and RP-only manner)

[Ardchoille]

Just don't go nuts with mentioning non-WA nations, okay? Most of the time it can be avoided, and should be: one, because we don't want to give any deplorable Rouge Nations the encouragement of imagining that we spend so much as one minute of the WA's time thinking about them, and two, because the minute proposal writers start thinking outside the WA's walls, they expose themselves to the temptation of Metagaming.

(Oh, you may think you're different, you're strong, you can withstand it: but Metagaming erodes the moral fibre of even the most virtuous among us.)

[Mousebumples]

Just don't go nuts with mentioning non-WA nations, okay? Most of the time it can be avoided, and should be: one, because we don't want to give any deplorable Rouge Nations the encouragement of imagining that we spend so much as one minute of the WA's time thinking about them, and two, because the minute proposal writers start thinking outside the WA's walls, they expose themselves to the temptation of Metagaming.

(Oh, you may think you're different, you're strong, you can withstand it: but Metagaming erodes the moral fibre of even the most virtuous among us.)

LOL, thanks, Ard. I'm more looking to explicitly permit non-WA nations to participate in WA-create constructs (committees, organizations, etc.), if they elect to do so.

Thanks again for the clarification!

[Ardchoille]

LOL, thanks, Ard. I'm more looking to explicitly permit non-WA nations to participate in WA-create constructs (committees, organizations, etc.), if they elect to do so.

Thanks again for the clarification!

Looks like I wasn't clear enough, though. Non-WA nations can't participate in committees. Don't put them in proposals as members of committees. That would be illegal. Committees are staffed by the impartial, unbribable WA gnomes. (What you do in RP, however, depends on what the other RPers let you get away with.)

[Mousebumples]

Looks like I wasn't clear enough, though. Non-WA nations can't participate in committees. Don't put them in proposals as members of committees. That would be illegal. Committees are staffed by the impartial, unbribable WA gnomes. (What you do in RP, however, depends on what the other RPers let you get away with.)

No, no - well aware! Mispoke. I more meant that they could participate in committees to the extent of a committee is created to serve purpose X ... and non-WA nations could participate by joining the organization/etc. run by the aforementioned committee.

(i.e. my previously passed UN ULC resolution - the ULC was created by the UN, but non-UN members were allowed to participate in the ULC for a small fee)

Poor wording, late at night ... apologies for any confusion! (and thanks again! )